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Ex-Clinton volunteer slammed, loses job, after swipe at widow of fallen SEAL

A former Hillary Clinton volunteer drew swift condemnation -- and lost his job -- after mocking the widow of a fallen Navy SEAL who was honored by the president during his congressional address Tuesday night.

Dan Grilo, who said in his Twitter profile that he was a former volunteer for both Hillary Clinton and President Barack Obama, made the remarks after Trump paid tribute to Carryn Owens. She is the widow of U.S. Navy SEAL William “Ryan” Owens, who was killed in a counterterrorism raid in Yemen last month.

“Sorry, Owens' wife, you’re not helping yourself or your husband’s memory by standing there and clapping like an idiot. Trump just used you.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...t-water-after-swipe-at-widow-fallen-seal.html
 
I am the one who chastised trump for his attack of a gold star family. So, this guy wouldn't be me. If anything, it would make sense if you claimed trump or his kind were the guy fired.
 
I am the one who chastised trump for his attack of a gold star family. So, this guy wouldn't be me. If anything, it would make sense if you claimed trump or his kind were the guy fired.

Military really likes Trump

As for that tweet, that guy is a sack of shit
 
Military really likes Trump

As for that tweet, that guy is a sack of shit

The majority of the military consists of those without any college degree, many of whom did poorly in high school. The majority of those in the military aren't the brightest citizens. Trump had a much higher margin of voters without an education than anyone else in the Republican primary. So, your comment isn't much of a surprise.

If that guy is a sack of shit for the tweet, what do you call a guy who attacks a gold star family?
 
The majority of the military consists of those without any college degree, many of whom did poorly in high school. The majority of those in the military aren't the brightest citizens. Trump had a much higher margin of voters without an education than anyone else in the Republican primary. So, your comment isn't much of a surprise.

If that guy is a sack of shit for the tweet, what do you call a guy who attacks a gold star family?

Don't be a sack of shit. You are better than that.
 
The majority of those in the military aren't the brightest citizens.

what do you call a guy who attacks a gold star family?

"I saw him. He was very emotional, and probably looked like a nice guy to me. His wife, if you look at his wife she was standing there, she had nothing to say. Probably, maybe she wasn't allowed to have anything to say, you tell me, but plenty of people have written that. She was extremely quiet and it looked like she had nothing to say, a lot of people have said that, and personally I watched him, I wish him the best of luck."--Trump's comments following khan's speech.

Damn....if that's an "attack" in your opinion, then what you've said about members of our military prior is just as offensive. Interesting to now know that the odds are not in the Khans favor that their son wasn't the brightest.
 
Don't be a sack of shit. You are better than that.

Both parts of that are entirely true. The overwhelming majority of our military members were not good students. Trump had a disproportionate amount of uneducated among his supporters compared to his competitors. So, it only makes sense the military "really likes Trump."


Damn....if that's an "attack" in your opinion, then what you've said about members of our military prior is just as offensive. Interesting to now know that the odds are not in the Khans favor that their son wasn't the brightest.

You conveniently left out Trump's jab by saying he wants to hear the wife say something and his claim that he has sacrificed as much as Khan due to having created tens of thousands of jobs.

Khan's father went to Harvard Law, so there is a good chance that his son also was educated. In fact, his son graduated from UVA, one of the top public schools in the country, and enrolled so he could pay for law school. So, though chances are a random service member wouldn't be well educated, that wasn't the case for Khan.
 
rifle is just being himself.

A friend of my is a Green Beret. He has a Master's degree. Taught English in high school prior to joining. Was a 2 sport college athlete. Speaks at least two languages I know of and owns his own business and does well with that on the side.

I would not call him a not so smart person. Very articulate and sharp as can be. I think the world of him and he was a great mentor for my son.

That is just one example.
 
You conveniently left out Trump's jab by saying he wants to hear the wife say something and his claim that he has sacrificed as much as Khan due to having created tens of thousands of jobs.

I agree it was in very poor taste but won't go as far as calling it an "attack". Mr. Khan chose to be a political prop during an election cycle. He attempted to insert himself into a debate that wasn't even the issue being discussed (Trumps "sacrifice"). "ILLEGAL" immigration was the issue, and as usual Dems saw an opportunity to parade around an emotional victim with a different skin color in hopes of creating leverage against a political opponent.

Being an attorney I am sure Mr Khan understands that the constitution he waved in the air never granted the same rights to illegals, that's why he felt he had to go with the sacrifice premise.

I feel bad for the Khan family. Their emotional state allowed them to be used as a pawn by a party and candidate that ONLY looked at their skin in determining how they could be used at that moment in history.
 
lol no he isn't, why do you act surprised. Rifle still thinks this is the 60's regarding our military personnel.
This article can help shed some light on it:

http://www.heritage.org/defense/rep...the-demographics-enlisted-troops-and-officers

Jarhead, let me help explain this to you. When judging intelligence of others, you are the complete opposite of somebody qualified to do that. Both of your links are examples of that, and I will explain why:

This first link claims that more than half of enlistees come from families in the top 40 percent of the income distribution. I'll give you a minute to process that . . .

Do you really think that more than half of enlistees come from families in the top 40 percent of income? Common sense and life experiences should immediately have you strongly doubting that. There is one major issue with your source on this: the military doesn't keep records of household income for enlistees. In other words, this is complete hogwash. What is this alternative fact based on? Your source used census statistics for areas of enlistees. Let me dumb that down for you:

I lived in the zip code of 20001 for many years. It was a very high rent, high-property value zip code. Neighbors in my condo included a U.S. senator, numerous attorneys, business owners/CEOs, and professional sports executives. I was paying as much to rent two parking spots per month than is the average apartment rent in Oklahoma City. Similar buildings in the zip code had the same income level of residents. Yet, the building next door was a government subsidized rent building. If you made over a certain income, you couldn't live there (nor would you want to). The residents were all on welfare. Due to legal restrictions, the building had to be used for those residents. There were numerous pockets of other poor people in the zip code.

Though the average household income ($110,000) is more than twice the national average, there are still thousands of poor in that zip code. So, assume 50 kids enlist in the military from that zip code. This "study," and I use that word loosely, would put enlistees from this zip code in the high-income category, yet in reality, there is no way in hell of knowing if any of them were the thousands of poor from that zip code.

Clearly, we can already discount this "study." But it gets better (not for you).

Take a look at their classifications of education. My argument is that the military is made up of more under-educated than educated. This "study" tries to counter that fact by making a claim citing enlistees with a high school education. In other words, this "study" (and by nature of you using it in an attempt to refute my comment, you) claims that a person with a high school diploma (or even a GED) counts as being "educated." Sorry, but in today's society, I consider somebody with just a high school diploma or GED as under-educated.

When there is such a huge disparity in what we each consider as "educated," there really isn't much of a discussion to be had. This "study" comically claims that those with simply a GED are considered educated in an attempt to prove my claim that the military has more under-educated than educated.

Ready to throw this "study" out yet and try a better argument?

Andy and Herdman, would either of you like to make excuses for this comically poor study, considering you both liked the link provided as support against my claim?



This one is just as good as the last one. This one claims that 93.6% of enlistees have at least a high school diploma. It claims that only 59.5% of the U.S. population has at least a high school diploma. Common sense and life experience (there is now a repeated history of you failing to put those things to use) should immediately make you skeptical of this claim. Clearly, even the biggest jarhead would know that more than 59.5% have at least high school diplomas. So, how could this "study" reach that conclusion? That's right; they counted all children under the age of 18 in it.

To be in the military, you have to be at least 18. So, they are using that threshold for one part of the comparison (93.6% having at least a high school diploma) yet including those under 18 years old in the other side of the comparison. See how illogical this is? A fair comparison would be comparing those in the military who have a high school diploma compared with the ADULTS (or those over a certain age, since there are quite a few kids who graduate from high school at age 19) in the general population with a diploma. Even then, it still does not do anything to counter my original point, because no logical person would claim that simply having a GED or high school diploma today would be considered as "educated."

So that we don't waste any more of my precious time, can you all actually use some critical thinking and logic when trying to refute my comments? Try actually reading and understanding these "studies" you refute.

My point, which is a fact, remains the same. The military is made up of more under-educated (which includes those with just a GED or high school diploma) than educated.
 
rifle is just being himself.

A friend of my is a Green Beret. He has a Master's degree. Taught English in high school prior to joining. Was a 2 sport college athlete. Speaks at least two languages I know of and owns his own business and does well with that on the side.

I would not call him a not so smart person. Very articulate and sharp as can be. I think the world of him and he was a great mentor for my son.

That is just one example.

This is the faulty generalization known as "cherry picking." With about 1.5 military members, my claim isn't that they are all retards. Hell, West Point has thousands of grads as military members. Though getting into and graduating from West Point is overrated based on intelligence (I've had kids beg to receive scholarships from me who had been accepted and "offered" to play at West Point, so I have seen their grammar), they clearly are not under-educated if they graduate from there. So, of course you can find tens of thousands (actually, hundreds of thousands) in the military who aren't considered under-educated.

Here, let me dumb this down for you:

Person 1: "Blacks are better basketball players than whites."
Person 2: "That's not true! Dirk Nowitzki is one of the best players in the NBA over the last decade."

See what the faulty generalization of cherry picking is and how it is a logical fallacy?
 
I feel bad for the Khan family. Their emotional state allowed them to be used as a pawn by a party and candidate that ONLY looked at their skin in determining how they could be used at that moment in history.

Would you like to comment on the importance of the sex of the family member of the deceased military member or the sex of the person in the wheelchair being used as pawns in the speech? I mean, clearly, the family member of the deceased military member wasn't used as a pawn which her emotional state allowed, right?
 
Lol this is why I told herdman not to be shocked by your response. It's typical of you as an egotistical maniac and narcissistic balding ginger to argue with simple words written in black and white. Save your long winded and rhetorical responses for someone other than me, you've never impressed me with it and you never will. Honestly, I've tried to stay away from most of your posts on any board but I took this opportunity to post just two links to prove you're not quite as brilliant as you think you are. As for my intelligence level and you questing it well, I've never thought much of your opinion on any topic including this one. So with that said I'm sure you will do what you normally do, which is copy/paste/highlight in bold/ what you want to debate and pick out points of a post and pick it apart. Let me save you some time, go fvck yourself I could care less. You're a juvenile pain in the ass.
 
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Lol this is why I told herdman not to be shocked by your response. Save your long winded and rhetorical responses for someone other than me, you've never impressed me with it and you never will. Honestly, I've tried to stay away from most of your posts on any board but I took this opportunity to post just two links to prove you're not quite as brilliant as you think you are. As for my intelligence level and you questing it well, I've never thought much of your opinion on any topic including this one. So with that said I'm sure you will do what you normally do, which is copy/paste/highlight in bold/ what you want to debate and pick out points of a post and pick it apart. Let me save you some time, go fvck yourself I could care less. You're a juvenile pain in the ass.

A well-thought out response with a ton of facts and logic supporting your bogus original claims. When you can't argue with facts and logic, attack things that have nothing to do with the argument.


Let me save you some time, go fvck yourself I could care less. .

No, it is "couldn't care less." Didn't we just recently go over this with some of you jarheads? Why is this basic phrase so difficult for you simpletons to understand how to properly use?

It's typical of you as an egotistical maniac and narcissistic balding ginger to argue with simple words . . .

Do you really want to compare physical appearances between the two of us?
 
A well-thought out response with a ton of facts and logic supporting your bogus original claims. When you can't argue with facts and logic, attack things that have nothing to do with the argument.




No, it is "couldn't care less." Didn't we just recently go over this with some of you jarheads? Why is this basic phrase so difficult for you simpletons to understand how to properly use?



Do you really want to compare physical appearances between the two of us?

Right on que as I predicted
 
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Right on que as I predicted

Still waiting for you to refute any of the facts that I presented showing how poor the "study" was that you referenced. Of course, you can't, because as we have seen for years, your intelligence is sub-par.

Still waiting for you to accept my challenge to compare physical appearance since you decided to take the discussion there, jarhead.

Keep running, coward.
 
Still waiting for you to refute any of the facts that I presented showing how poor the "study" was that you referenced. Of course, you can't, because as we have seen for years, your intelligence is sub-par.

Still waiting for you to accept my challenge to compare physical appearance since you decided to take the discussion there, jarhead.

Keep running, coward.

What's there to refute? I posted two articles stating otherwise you simply posted your opinions.

I don't care what you look like snitch
 
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What's there to refute? I posted two articles stating otherwise you simply posted your opinions.

I don't care what you look like snitch

Those aren't my opinions, moron. They are facts about what the "study" used. The military doesn't keep track of income of enlistees or their families, so their claim about that is simply based on census records for the zip codes they live in. See how ridiculous that is? Are the enlistees the children of doctors who live directly on Ritter Park or are they children who grew up in the government housing that was along Hal Greer? There is no way of knowing, so the claim made by your source is illogical and bogus. Those are facts you cannot dispute; that is how the study reached their claim.

The study based its claim that military members are educated by claiming that people with a GED are considered to be "educated." If you believe simply having a GED or high school diploma makes one educated, then you're dumber than you look . . . and you look pretty fvcking dumb, so that's hard to beat. Is it an opinion that having a GED shouldn't make you be considered "educated?" Sure. But it's an opinion I think most people would agree with and one which can be supported by the substantial increase in percentage of people earning college degrees over the last few decades.

Your other source tried comparing one thing (those with at least a high school diploma), but used different measures of it. It was horribly illogical and intellectually dishonest. That isn't an opinion. It would be akin to me doing this:

- making every ADULT in NY take the SAT
- making every PERSON (including children and basies) in WV take the SAT

Then, since children and babies will bring the overall average down for the WV score, claiming that NY has the smarter people (without acknowledging that two different qualifiers were used in the comparison).

Again, if you can't argue with logic and facts and have to resort to looking like a moron, go over to the wvu board.
 
Would you like to comment on the importance of the sex of the family member of the deceased military member or the sex of the person in the wheelchair being used as pawns in the speech? I mean, clearly, the family member of the deceased military member wasn't used as a pawn which her emotional state allowed, right?

i don't view someone simply being recognized for an accomplishment or a loved ones accomplishment as being a pawn. In neither one of these instances were they being put in front of the cameras in an effort to voice their condemnation of someone they didn't know during a political campaign.

In the case of the Khan family, they went beyond just demonstrating the example of their sons sacrifice and actively inserted themselves through words, speeches, public appearances into a political debate based on a premise that was not even a part of the political discourse (questioning their sons sacrifice).

No one was questioning their sons sacrifice or heroism. No one. The sad part is Mr Khans actions did more to dishonor his sons memory than Trump questioning their motivations for going to the TV cameras claiming victim status due to their failed attempt at insinuating Trump was a racist simply because they were of Muslim descent.
 
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somebody give me the Cliff's notes of Rifle's capstone paper... from what i saw highlighted he disputed Marine's statistics using "common sense" and "life experiences". seems like sound Liberal logic.

my question, what benefit comes of making the military look better off (smarter?) than it really is? what do they (The Heritage Foundation) have to gain by taking all this data and using it to pretend people in the military today are not the same as 30 years ago?

my dad, granddad, several uncles, and cousins served. my brother-in-law has been in the Navy for 10 years. he also went to college. so in my "life experiences" about 30% of the people i know that served also went to college.

there are also a handful of military guys that post here that also went to Marshall for more "life experience" references...
 
so we have several sources claim people in the military aren't walking vegetables. some from Liberal rags (Huffpo) and some conservative (Heritage Foundation). all we need now is for @30Kelly to post his rank and IQ to end this entire debate.
 
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Jarhead, I am trying to be somewhat respectable here, but it's hard when people are this god-damned stupid.

This is the same exact graphic you posted before. So, these links are referencing the same source. This article attempts to make two major claims:

1) percent of military officers with at least a bachelor's degree compared with the percent of general population with at least a bachelor's degree.

Lets assume their numbers are accurate (which is a big assumption considering how intellectually dishonest they are with their next claim). Even if the numbers for this are accurate, it does absolutely nothing to refute my point. The overwhelming number of military members are not officers. Showing that most officers have a college degree doesn't refute anything I have said. We aren't just talking about higher-ranking military members or one small classification. We are talking about the overall military. And just like I have repeatedly said, the overwhelming number of military members are under-educated (and regardless of what your source claims, having simple a GED or high school diploma doesn't make one educated in today's world).

2) The second claim looks at the percentage of enlisted soldiers with at least a high school diploma compared with the general population who have at least a high school diploma. There are two huge flaws which are completely illogical and intellectually dishonest with this. First, having a high school diploma doesn't make one "educated," which is what we have been discussing here. If 100% of all military members only had a high school diploma, that doesn't mean 100% of the military is educated. I don't even think you would claim that having just a GED or high school diploma makes one educated. In fact, if that is the extent of a formal education, it's fair to consider them under-educated in today's society. The second flaw in this attempt of a comparison is that they are using different standards. To be in the military, you have to be at least 18. That also happens to be the same age when most people earn high school diplomas. So, by claiming that a certain percentage of the military has a high school diploma, they are ONLY looking at those people 18 or older (because you can't be in the military if you aren't at least 18). Yet, they then try comparing that number to the overall population who have a high school diploma. The problem with this is that they take into account those under 18 years of age, all the way down to newborn babies. This is an apples to aardvarks comparison. They are looking at two entirely different, unfair things.

It really doesn't take much time, effort, or intellect to look at these two things and say "wait, that doesn't add up." You should try it.
 
Summary: rifle nuts is one of these libs who is an elitist and likes bashing the military. A long winded rant showing that side of him.

I will take a "dumb"(in his words)Soldier, Sailor, Airman, or Marine over that elitist bullshit any day. Most of the finest people I ever have had the pleasure to meet and stand beside are from those ranks and frankly, rifle, I am not impressed by your actions.
 
somebody give me the Cliff's notes of Rifle's capstone paper... from what i saw highlighted he disputed Marine's statistics using "common sense" and "life experiences". seems like sound Liberal logic.

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Like usual, you'd be wrong. Take five minutes to learn something. You need it.

It gets even better. Here is an article refuting and using logic and facts to show just how poorly done the "study" was:

http://freakonomics.com/2008/09/22/who-serves-in-the-military-today/
 
Summary: rifle nuts is one of these libs who is an elitist and likes bashing the military. A long winded rant showing that side of him.

I will take a "dumb"(in his words)Soldier, Sailor, Airman, or Marine over that elitist bullshit any day. Most of the finest people I ever have had the pleasure to meet and stand beside are from those ranks and frankly, rifle, I am not impressed by your actions.

Nobody is bashing the military. I made a valid point in response to your claim that the military supposedly likes Trump. Facts show that Trump had a disproportionate amount of support from the uneducated (which is why he claimed that he loved that group). Facts show that the military, as a whole, is uneducated.

That isn't bashing. They are simply facts.
 
Stephen J. Dubner a guy from NY that went to Appy State.... how does that happen?
 
Can any of you offer facts or decent, logical arguments to refute what I have posted? This is very basic stuff, guys. It takes very few minutes to read what I have posted, very few minutes to verify the things that I criticized the study for doing, and would take very few minutes to form a logical response.
 
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