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Massacre at Orlando Gay Bar by Suspected Muslim Extremist

They would have claimed responsibility for the Challenger.

when they publicly say they have "sleeper" cells in every state in the US and then this stuff keeps happening... kinda hard to call BS...

plus our all knowing Government agencies hard at work vetting all these "refugees" with the precision of blind sloth working at the DMV...
 
I need to see comments from murox and rifle (praise be to him) on this. Always entertaining and interesting.
 
why didn't the morons at the ATF, FBI, et all have a flag set on this guy when he purchased these guns last week? they investigated him two separate times for ties to terrorism...

This will be asked many times in the coming days. ATF said he purchased last week, so I wonder if there was even a 3 day wait when the FFL ran his SSN/DL. Even though he didn't have a criminal record there should be another level of checks when someone has a case file history like his. As soon as his FFL called in the purchase the FBI should have been pinged.
 
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when they publicly say they have "sleeper" cells in every state in the US and then this stuff keeps happening... kinda hard to call BS...

plus our all knowing Government agencies hard at work vetting all these "refugees" with the precision of blind sloth working at the DMV...
I am not denying there is a link, I just take it with a grain of salt when they take credit for this shit until additional information comes out.
 
when they publicly say they have "sleeper" cells in every state in the US and then this stuff keeps happening... kinda hard to call BS...

plus our all knowing Government agencies hard at work vetting all these "refugees" with the precision of blind sloth working at the DMV...

When you have a President that cherishes ISIS and has him DOJ in his pockets. This is what happens, innocent people get murdered and the liberal morons push their gun control agenda. I doubt if the murderer was allowed to visit the Obama girls on a daily basis.
 
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He does when a Muslim is behind it (no pun).

Why? Most Americans with common sense know most radical Islamist are coming here to kill people. Trump has no need to be excited about it because it isn't a "win" for him. Those that don't like Trump will never like Trump nor vote for him regardless.

The paradigm "fail" in this case lies within the typical liberal message of bigoted repubs doing the hating or killing. Evidence of this is blatantly obvious with the current ass covering excuse making now going on......"see...we need more gun laws", in order to once again change the narrative within the media of what actually caused the tragedy. A narrative change that the lap dog media will quickly promote.
 
it's already being changed... my "news feed" is almost completely about gun control now...

i'm sure Google has also "tweaked" their servers to return gun control topics when searching about the shooting.
 
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Why? Most Americans with common sense know most radical Islamist are coming here to kill people. Trump has no need to be excited about it because it isn't a "win" for him. Those that don't like Trump will never like Trump nor vote for him regardless.

The paradigm "fail" in this case lies within the typical liberal message of bigoted repubs doing the hating or killing. Evidence of this is blatantly obvious with the current ass covering excuse making now going on......"see...we need more gun laws", in order to once again change the narrative within the media of what actually caused the tragedy. A narrative change that the lap dog media will quickly promote.
I do not believe the debate is over radical Muslims coming here, it is over Muslims coming here.
 
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I do not believe he debate is over radical Muslims coming here, it is over Muslims coming here.

The fact is, he wants all immigrants vetted appropriately to keep the bad ones out. That's what his message is. Has he actually said..."All muslims are bad people."?

He has suggested closing the border until this can be done effectively. No different than in war periods in past generations.
 
The fact is, he wants all immigrants vetted appropriately to keep the bad ones out. That's what his message is. Has he actually said..."All muslims are bad people."?

He has suggested closing the border until this can be done effectively. No different than in war periods in past generations.
Did I say he said all Muslims are bad?
 
I do not believe he debate is over radical Muslims coming here, it is over Muslims coming here.

Right. But it is very hard to tell this distinction sometimes. There are some great Muslim people out there and I've worked beside them for years.

But on a global level their culture is just so different from that of modem western liberal democracies that there is some margin for error in accepting large numbers of them, and whether this big divide in philosophy/culture can ever be bridged in our lifetimes with successful integration into a harmonious society.



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Surveillance is not good enough. If someone has suspected ties to radical Islam a search warrant and electronic wiretap warrant needs to be immediately issued. We need to root out these motherfvckers.
Root out these Ali al-Akbar supporters and send to them front line for Drone target practice. If someone supports Ali al-Akbar and his senseless message they need de-nutted and then heart beat terminated.
 
Root out these Ali al-Akbar supporters and send to them front line for Drone target practice. If someone supports Ali al-Akbar and his senseless message they need de-nutted and then heart beat terminated.
0-12 versus WVU in football has made for many sleepless nights for Herd fans. WVU owns Herd in every sport.

Stop the wvu puke on our board.
 
There should be some sort of redundancy when it comes to a background check for weapons purchases though. This guy had in-person meets with a future suicide bomber among other red flags. So even though he wasn't convicted of any crime he should have been on a wait list at the minimum, and when his name popped up after a FFL check the FBI should be knocking on his door within hours. I don't want to take away anyone's freedoms but this is a failure in common sense and with inter-agency communications.
 
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why didn't the morons at the ATF, FBI, et all have a flag set on this guy when he purchased these guns last week? they investigated him two separate times for ties to terrorism...

Probably told to back off and stop being racist.

There is NO mechanism for flagging purple who purchase firearms legally. If there were, the NRA and gun lobby would be losing their collective shit.
 
There is NO mechanism for flagging purple who purchase firearms legally. If there were, the NRA and gun lobby would be losing their collective shit.

I seriously have doubts the NRA wants guns sold to someone with possible terrorists ties just to make a sale. Makes zero sense..if government had flag this kook as such this sad event may not have occurred early this morning. No way the POS should have been allowed to have a firearm. I hope his 21 virgins all have VD.
 
I seriously have doubts the NRA wants guns sold to someone with possible terrorists ties just to make a sale. Makes zero sense..if government had flag this kook as such this sad event may not have occurred early this morning. No way the POS should have been allowed to have a firearm. I hope his 21 virgins all have VD.
They do not get to sleep with WVU fans, so they are good.
 
Didn't have to. The debate within the media (which is what we are talking about) is that Trump is a bigot and a xenophobe because he thinks all muslims are "bad".
I think he is a pompous asshole with self-esteem issues more than anything else.
 
this is a failure in common sense and with inter-agency communications.

This is an interesting point. Sadly this is the same kind of shit GWB inherited from the Clintons. And we know what happened within 8 months of his presidency. 8 years of the Clintons sticking their head in the sand and ......

This has been said countless times......the next President is going to be inheriting a world of shit (literally) due to this current failure of leadership.
 
One must hang out with him to have those viewpoints?

When speaking to ones psychological makeup, as you did........it would help.

Generally, I think he acts no different than most any northeast corridor resident. Its how they choose to communicate with anyone.
 
When speaking to ones psychological makeup, as you did........it would help.

Generally, I think he acts no different than most any northeast corridor resident. Its how they choose to communicate with anyone.
I suppose I live right below the northeast corridor belt, I will take your word for it.
 
Don't forget, who wasn't a member of the NRA.

This one guy is destroying just about every talking point liberals throw at the wall when a shooting occurs.

I am starting to think they(Democrat leaders) don't know what to do.

Honestly. Guy wasn't a NRA member. He wasn't a white male. He killed gays. Was a muslim. Was a Democrat. FBI couldn't figure out what to do with him. He worked in a security firm with access to federal information.

Obama read the reports and probably stuttered 37 times in a minute and half. He sounded like Elmer Fudd on the opening day of rabbit season.
 
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