Monday Motivation for the MU Athletic Director

[i am herdman]

American by a large, even today, want a winner and will not tolerate a loser. American's also don't like underachievers. Marshall football is an underachiever. That's the problem. Not hard to figure out. Marshall fans want excitement and trophies in the trophy cabinet. We don't want to be the Mississippi State of Conference USA. We want to be the Clemson or Alabama or Ohio State of perhaps the weakest conference in IA football. NO, I don't mean actually be Clemson or Alabama but, we want to win the damn conference more than once a decade and we want excitement. 8-4 is ho hum. We finished second in our division again. Not acceptable. Marshall Football is a gross underachiever.

 

[WV-FAN]

marshall's average record since joining IA has been 8-5. it's had 5 seasons out of 23 years where it finished with 2 or fewer losses, 7 with three or fewer. i understand the desire to be better than that, but it is what it is. it'll never be the alabama/osu/clemson/etc. of it's division. would be fun if it were, though.

before "but but but WVU!!" crowd kicks in . . . no, unfortunately, neither will it.

the real herd over in the eastern panhandle, however, are one of the powerhouses of their division.

 

[extragreen]

it's had 5 seasons out of 23 years where it finished with 2 or fewer losses

And 4 of those seasons came in an 8 year period in which we won the conference title 5 times, our division 6 times while being nationally ranked 3 times and winning 5 of 7 bowl games. So don't try and tell us we can't do better. You're absolutely wrong about that and it's already been factually proven.

 

[WV-FAN]

And 4 of those seasons came in an 8 year period in which we won the conference title 5 times, our division 6 times while being nationally ranked 3 times and winning 5 of 7 bowl games. So don't try and tell us we can't do better. You're absolutely wrong about that and it's already been factually proven.

and, during that time, you had some stellar talent that comes along to schools like marshall once every blue moon. marshall was extremely lucky to get moss because of him getting thrown out of two other much larger programs prior to transferring to marshall. they've had a couple other spectacular players that's helped them climb to those lofty records, but, again, it's not the norm.

i'm not saying marshall can't do better. i'd love to see them do better. all i'm saying is marshall being that good all the time isn't the norm.

 

[herdfan429]

Those loses, early on, were usually to a legit opponents like Georgia and Ohio state

 

[extragreen]

and, during that time, you had some stellar talent that comes along to schools like marshall once every blue moon. marshall was extremely lucky to get moss because of him getting thrown out of two other much larger programs prior to transferring to marshall. they've had a couple other spectacular players that's helped them climb to those lofty records, but, again, it's not the norm.

i'm not saying marshall can't do better. i'd love to see them do better. all i'm saying is marshall being that good all the time isn't the norm.

No, you don't get to state something already proven factually wrong and then try to cover it up with more nonsense. You want to bring up Moss? Good, because he was absolutely great. But he was involved with only ONE conference title, zero of the times we were ranked, and zero of the times we had 2 loss seasons or better.

 

[WV-FAN]

No, you don't get to state something already proven factually wrong and then try to cover it up with more nonsense. You want to bring up Moss? Good, because he was absolutely great. But he was involved with only ONE conference title, zero of the times we were ranked, and zero of the times we had 2 loss seasons or better.

i never said anything factually incorrect, yore reading comprehension is horrid. just as their factual history displays, marshall will never be a perennial top program at their level. will they have decent runs here and there? sure. year in and year out? lmfao . . . no. trust me, there's no star athletes out there breaking the door down to get to marshall.

 

[i am herdman]

marshall's average record since joining IA has been 8-5. it's had 5 seasons out of 23 years where it finished with 2 or fewer losses, 7 with three or fewer. i understand the desire to be better than that, but it is what it is. it'll never be the alabama/osu/clemson/etc. of it's division. would be fun if it were, though.

before "but but but WVU!!" crowd kicks in . . . no, unfortunately, neither will it.

the real herd over in the eastern panhandle, however, are one of the powerhouses of their division.

Mark Snyder and Doc have been coach for more than half those years. Think about that.

 

[i am herdman]

i never said anything factually incorrect, yore reading comprehension is horrid. just as their factual history displays, marshall will never be a perennial top program at their level. will they have decent runs here and there? sure. year in and year out? lmfao . . . no. trust me, there's no star athletes out there breaking the door down to get to marshall.

Moss only played one season in IA ball.

 

[WV-FAN]

Mark Snyder and Doc have been coach for more than half those years. Think about that.

good point. however, what makes you think marshall will ever find a great coach that'll stick around? let's say you find the next up and coming superstar coach. he's there, what, three or four years? then on to the next bigger and better opportunity and, for marshall, another chance to fvck up another coaching hire.

frankly, marshla is fukt as those two hires in a row have proven they're not worth a damn at hiring a decent head coach. has their administration changed? they've already proven they can't evaluate talent. i personally loved the doc hire. hired doc just to get a dig in at WVU. how'd that work out? lol.

 

[WV-FAN]

Moss only played one season in IA ball.

the point of using him an example, which obviously you nor @extragreen are astute enough to get, is to show that marshall lucks up and gets a player of that caliber typically only under special circumstances. again, anybody with a higher caliber of talent isn't busting the doors down to get into marshall . . . unless they've fukt something up and that's their last resort.

 

[ohio herd]

the point of using him an example, which obviously you nor @extragreen are astute enough to get, is to show that marshall lucks up and gets a player of that caliber typically only under special circumstances. again, anybody with a higher caliber of talent isn't busting the doors down to get into marshall . . . unless they've fukt something up and that's their last resort.

we also had two NFL QB's play during 6 of those 8 years. When they graduated year 7 and 8 our two year record was 14-10.

 

[i am herdman]

good point. however, what makes you think marshall will ever find a great coach that'll stick around? let's say you find the next up and coming superstar coach. he's there, what, three or four years? then on to the next bigger and better opportunity and, for marshall, another chance to fvck up another coaching hire.

frankly, marshla is fukt as those two hires in a row have proven they're not worth a damn at hiring a decent head coach. has their administration changed? they've already proven they can't evaluate talent. i personally loved the doc hire. hired doc just to get a dig in at WVU. how'd that work out? lol.

He was hired because he was friends with our athletic director

 

[i am herdman]

We had iaa teams that would have beat the shit out of most of cusa if not all of it.

 

[extragreen]

the point of using him an example, which obviously you nor @extragreen are astute enough to get, is to show that marshall lucks up and gets a player of that caliber typically only under special circumstances. again, anybody with a higher caliber of talent isn't busting the doors down to get into marshall . . . unless they've fukt something up and that's their last resort.

No, what you don't get is your statement was absolute nonsense, I proved it was nonsense, and yet here you still are spewing more nonsense.

 

[extragreen]

we also had two NFL QB's play during 6 of those 8 years. When they graduated year 7 and 8 our two year record was 14-10.

With 3 of those losses to top 12 ranked teams (by a total of 23 points) and another to a top 25, and everyone of them away from home. The loss to Miami, OH was ugly. And one of those wins was against a #6 ranked team, away of course.

 

[i am herdman]

Plus, CUSA is much weaker now and Hamrick lightened up the OOC schedules. Bob P and even Snyder were playing Ohio State, Georgia, Florida, Kansas State(beat them they #6), Clemson, South Carolina, Wisconsin, Virginia Tech, Michigan State, etc. Our first game in IA we had to go play in morganhole. Didn't even have full IA scholarships yet.

Doc has it on a silver platter. Weaker conference, lighter OOC schedules and an AD that protects him and gave him long contract extensions.

Difference is Bobby P could coach and Doc can't.

 

[herdfan429]

good point. however, what makes you think marshall will ever find a great coach that'll stick around? let's say you find the next up and coming superstar coach. he's there, what, three or four years? then on to the next bigger and better opportunity and, for marshall, another chance to fvck up another coaching hire.

frankly, marshla is fukt as those two hires in a row have proven they're not worth a damn at hiring a decent head coach. has their administration changed? they've already proven they can't evaluate talent. i personally loved the doc hire. hired doc just to get a dig in at WVU. how'd that work out? lol.

There is NO problem with Marshall being a stepping stone of good coaches. We don’t need to find someone that settles in

 

[ohio herd]

With 3 of those losses to top 12 ranked teams (by a total of 23 points) and another to a top 25, and everyone of them away from home. The loss to Miami, OH was ugly. And one of those wins was against a #6 ranked team, away of course.

that could be said about this year as well. Two losses to teams in the Top 25. For the record, I think both of those teams(03/04) were better than this years. That being said, we still went 14-10 those two years after we no longer had a future NFL QB. The three times we have been ranked and won a conference title we had an above avg QB. We need to find us another one. If we can do that I think we can start winning titles again. Just my view.

 

[muthed]

No, you don't get to state something already proven factually wrong and then try to cover it up with more nonsense. You want to bring up Moss? Good, because he was absolutely great. But he was involved with only ONE conference title, zero of the times we were ranked, and zero of the times we had 2 loss seasons or better.

1996 - 15-0.

 

[muthed]

good point. however, what makes you think marshall will ever find a great coach that'll stick around? let's say you find the next up and coming superstar coach. he's there, what, three or four years? then on to the next bigger and better opportunity and, for marshall, another chance to fvck up another coaching hire.

frankly, marshla is fukt as those two hires in a row have proven they're not worth a damn at hiring a decent head coach. has their administration changed? they've already proven they can't evaluate talent. i personally loved the doc hire. hired doc just to get a dig in at WVU. how'd that work out? lol.

Snyder's hire and Doc's hire were under different presidents and different ADs.

 

[extragreen]

1996 - 15-0.

I didn't count that year since it's I AA for the number of conference championships or national ranking.

 

[muthed]

the point of using him an example, which obviously you nor @extragreen are astute enough to get, is to show that marshall lucks up and gets a player of that caliber typically only under special circumstances. again, anybody with a higher caliber of talent isn't busting the doors down to get into marshall . . . unless they've fukt something up and that's their last resort.

Chad and Byron weren't "special circumstances," nor were they f'ed up.

 

[extragreen]

that could be said about this year as well. Two losses to teams in the Top 25. For the record, I think both of those teams(03/04) were better than this years. That being said, we still went 14-10 those two years after we no longer had a future NFL QB. The three times we have been ranked and won a conference title we had an above avg QB. We need to find us another one. If we can do that I think we can start winning titles again. Just my view.

We were talking about a specific 2 year window. FOUR losses to ranked teams.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

We had iaa teams that would have beat the shit out of most of cusa if not all of it.

The 92 team would beat the brakes off of goddamn Charlotte.

 

[i am herdman]

The 92 team would beat the brakes off of goddamn Charlotte.

The 96 team would have been that by 50 if they would have wanted to.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Difference is Bobby P could coach and Doc can't.

Chad and Byron weren't "special circumstances," nor were they f'ed up.

Pennington and Leftwich were coached up. WV-FAN is up there talking about Moss and his getting kicked out of ND and FSU, but what big program recruited Pennington and Leftwich? None. When did they "fvck up"? Never.

 

[WV-FAN]

No, what you don't get is your statement was absolute nonsense, I proved it was nonsense, and yet here you still are spewing more nonsense.

only thing you've ever proven is yore a mentally deranged multi-god worshipping prick from hell.

 

[extragreen]

only thing you've ever proven is yore a mentally deranged multi-god worshipping prick from hell.

I meant to say I should have kept my mouth shut and have nothing else to offer but personal attacks

 

[WV-FAN]

Pennington and Leftwich were coached up. WV-FAN is up there talking about Moss and his getting kicked out of ND and FSU, but what big program recruited Pennington and Leftwich? None. When did they "fvck up"? Never.

which part of "couple of other players" didn't you testy faggits understand. Marshall had had what, three or four difference making players over the past 20 years? how many in the past decade?

 

[WV-FAN]

blah

thought I was paying you a compliment

 

[extragreen]

thought

Nobody believes you did.

 

[i am herdman]

which part of "couple of other players" didn't you testy faggits understand. Marshall had had what, three or four difference making players over the past 20 years? how many in the past decade?

Really?

We had all conference performers and even at IAA we had guys who were IAA Americans, YOu can't be serious?

Jamie Wilson went on to play with the Panthers on the o-line
John Wade many years with the Bucs in the NFL at center
Doug Chapman Vikings
Chris Crocker Bengals
Troy Brown has multiple Super Bowls rings with the Patriots
Rogers Beckett Chargers and Bengals
James Williams several year with Seahawks
Darius Watts multiple teams
Chris Massey
Mike Batrum
Jonathen Goddard
Damn Erick Kresser came in one year and Pennington redshirted
Geradie Mercer
Chris Parker

There are more, that is what I can think off

Plus all conference players too many to name. Michael Peyton won the IAA player of the year which is like the IAA Heisman

You are crazy. Donnan and Pruett brought in loads of talent and they could coach them up

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

which part of "couple of other players" didn't you testy faggits understand. Marshall had had what, three or four difference making players over the past 20 years? how many in the past decade?

Three or four?

Darius Watts, Steve Sciullo, John Wade, Jonathan Goddard, Ahmad Bradshaw (Ok, he kinda fvcked up at UVA), Chris Crocker, Vinny fvcking Curry, Albert McClellan, Doug Legurksy, etc. I can name more. All of those guys could have played at any program in the country...they were not recruited to, but yeah by the time the finished at Marshall it was evident they had serious talent.

 

[i am herdman]

you know MU Football is in dire straights when EG and I are in agreement and preaching it!

 

[i am herdman]

Three or four?

Darius Watts, Steve Sciullo, John Wade, Jonathan Goddard, Ahmad Bradshaw (Ok, he kinda fvcked up at UVA), Chris Crocker, Vinny fvcking Curry, Albert McClellan, Doug Legurksy, etc. I can name more. All of those guys could have played at any program in the country...they were not recruited to, but yeah by the time the finished at Marshall it was evident they had serious talent.

God I forgot some of those guys . Legursky came in and was a man. He was a behemoth.

 

[GreenDuke]

that could be said about this year as well. Two losses to teams in the Top 25. For the record, I think both of those teams(03/04) were better than this years. That being said, we still went 14-10 those two years after we no longer had a future NFL QB. The three times we have been ranked and won a conference title we had an above avg QB. We need to find us another one. If we can do that I think we can start winning titles again. Just my view.

I believe you’ve unlocked the code.

 

[WV-FAN]

Really?

We had all conference performers and even at IAA we had guys who were IAA Americans, YOu can't be serious?

Jamie Wilson went on to play with the Panthers on the o-line
John Wade many years with the Bucs in the NFL at center
Doug Chapman Vikings
Chris Crocker Bengals
Troy Brown has multiple Super Bowls rings with the Patriots
Rogers Beckett Chargers and Bengals
James Williams several year with Seahawks
Darius Watts multiple teams
Chris Massey
Mike Batrum
Jonathen Goddard
Damn Erick Kresser came in one year and Pennington redshirted
Geradie Mercer
Chris Parker

There are more, that is what I can think off

Plus all conference players too many to name. Michael Peyton won the IAA player of the year which is like the IAA Heisman

You are crazy. Donnan and Pruett brought in loads of talent and they could coach them up

which part of last decade or 20 years didn't you understand? are all you guys reading comprehension challenged?

Look, I'm not saying Marshall won't enjoy a decent or even great season here and there and maybe even a couple or three years running, but the anomaly period of the early 2000's is just that, an anomaly, not the norm. and, the norm will be what you've had more of than not: mediocrity.

 

[i am herdman]

You don't necessarily need a future NFL QB. You need a good qb. Look at some of the good qb;s we had besides the NFL guys. Carl Foder, Tony Petersen, John Gregory, Peyton, or heck Todd Donnan was serviceable. Heck Cato sniffed the Browns camp for 2 days or something.

Boys, I am telling you a lot of it is coaching. The players have to believe in the coach. They have to believe they can win and the coach can put them in a position to win. The coach has to get the most out of them. The coach has to have a good game plan but also has to be able to adjust on the fly and in the heat of the game.

 

[i am herdman]

which part of last decade or 20 years didn't you understand? are all you guys reading comprehension challenged?

Look, I'm not saying Marshall won't enjoy a decent or even great season here and there and maybe even a couple or three years running, but the anomaly period of the early 2000's is just that, an anomaly, not the norm. and, the norm will be what you've had more of than not: mediocrity.

As long as we have an administration that doesn't set standards and demand more. One CUSA title in a decade is ludicrous.