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most unpopular legislation in history

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he GOP, which pushed forward on the tax bill
despite polls
showing it is one of the most unpopular pieces of legislation in recent history and independent, nonpartisan analyses projecting it will disproportionately reward the wealthy and corporations, offer only moderate benefits to the middle class and substantially drive up the deficit.
 
Wait a year and it will become even more unpopular once the middle class actually starts to feel its effects.
 
yeah, biggest transfer of wealth in the history of the world.
shameless looting of the u.s. treasury to give money to their
big donors.
 
Thread could have been titled: “Deeply unpopular” (to the 1000 polled democrat morons who don’t make enough to pay taxes anyway).

How exactly does one shift wealth away from people who don’t make enough to pay Fed income taxes? How does a middle class tax cut shift wealth to someone else?

Let’s be honest, the Fed Reserve does more damage to the common man with their misdirected monetary policy than any tax bill that lowers rates.
 
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Honestly how many of you ha e used the calculators online to figure out your tax liability with this bill? The only reason this thing polls so badly is because the media and dems, but I repeat myself, aren’t being honest. And are shaping the news not reporting.
 
The bullshit "unpopularity" of this legislation will quickly subside by April 15th when the nation's taxpayers see their taxes have gone down, despite the media telling them otherwise.
 
The bullshit "unpopularity" of this legislation will quickly subside by April 15th when the nation's taxpayers see their taxes have gone down, despite the media telling them otherwise.

You realize this bill doesn't affect 2017 earnings?

Damn some of you are stupid.
 
Thread could have been titled: “Deeply unpopular” (to the 1000 polled democrat morons who don’t make enough to pay taxes anyway).

How exactly does one shift wealth away from people who don’t make enough to pay Fed income taxes? How does a middle class tax cut shift wealth to someone else?

Let’s be honest, the Fed Reserve does more damage to the common man with their misdirected monetary policy than any tax bill that lowers rates.

Congratulations, dumbest post in a long time. You even outdid murox.
 
You realize this bill doesn't affect 2017 earnings?

Damn some of you are stupid.

Actually, I didn't really put a whole lot of thought into it. My point stands, though. People who pay quarterly estimates will know by April, and people who receive W2s will know by mid January.

Edit: And you'll know when that first slip and fall case settles and you collect your parasitic fee.
 
No Obamacare penalties

“Under current law, you would owe 2.5 percent of your household income or $695 per adult and $347.50 per child under 18 -- whichever amount is higher -- and that fee would have been adjusted upwards for inflation in every subsequent year.”
 
Ask the employees of the multiple companies who, just hours after this bill passed, announced wage increases and bonuses for rank and file.

You guys have no leg to stand on. People are going to benefit financially from this, regardless of how much that pains you.
 
Ask the employees of the multiple companies who, just hours after this bill passed, announced wage increases and bonuses for rank and file.

You guys have no leg to stand on. People are going to benefit financially from this, regardless of how much that pains you.

A common theme I'm seeing from the left is "I'm going to benefit from this, but it's bad for the country!"

Yeah, everyone who has their property stolen by the government is going to benefit from this legislation. It's only going to be bad for the democat party, and that's why they're so upset.
 
The bullshit "unpopularity" of this legislation will quickly subside by April 15th when the nation's taxpayers see their taxes have gone down, despite the media telling them otherwise.

no kidding, it's the average dumbass American being spoon fed liberal propaganda.
 
Actually, I didn't really put a whole lot of thought into it. My point stands, though. People who pay quarterly estimates will know by April, and people who receive W2s will know by mid January.

Edit: And you'll know when that first slip and fall case settles and you collect your parasitic fee.

Actually Rox, you were correct as folks will see it in their pay checks with less federal witholdings by February...so by April 15 they will have figured it out. everyone but dumbass countryroads.
 
Ask the employees of the multiple companies who, just hours after this bill passed, announced wage increases and bonuses for rank and file.

You guys have no leg to stand on. People are going to benefit financially from this, regardless of how much that pains you.

Boeing will see an estimated tax cut of 2.1 BILLION. That 300 million (not all going to workers) is only 14% of their tax cut for 1 year. I'm sure they're happy, since they just got a hand out where they pay 14 cents on the dollar of YOUR taxes and they'll be able to write off wages on money they didn't earn. Good stuff.

I suspect a similar story is true for the rest of those magnanimous businesses who already had record profits.
 
Boeing will see an estimated tax cut of 2.1 BILLION. That 300 million (not all going to workers) is only 14% of their tax cut for 1 year. I'm sure they're happy, since they just got a hand out where they pay 14 cents on the dollar of YOUR taxes and they'll be able to write off wages on money they didn't earn. Good stuff.

I suspect a similar story is true for the rest of those magnanimous businesses who already had record profits.

You tell 'em, failed business owner who as a last resort tried giving his employees (for whom he didn't provide benefits) an incentive-based pay structure but it still didn't work and you went out of business anyway.

How's the pink Caddy? Wifey have you out there peddling makeup to pay your internet bill?
 
You tell 'em, failed business owner who as a last resort tried giving his employees (for whom he didn't provide benefits) an incentive-based pay structure but it still didn't work and you went out of business anyway.

How's the pink Caddy? Wifey have you out there peddling makeup to pay your internet bill?

I see you were smart enough (perhaps by oversight) to not refute what I said, dog breath.
 
Rots talking about someone going broke-good stuff. Still bitter because his old man's business went broke and he had to go to work . Blames it on the employees You tell him rots
 
Congratulations, dumbest post in a long time. You even outdid murox.

The premise of “wealth transfer” put forth by uninformed rubes like you is dumb. That’s why I ask the question based on that ignorant premise, with the expectation that you were not capable to answer.

But please enlighten us Puss. (You don’t have the guts or brains to do so, but I’ll ask again anyway)

How exactly is a tax cut that gives 80% of those that actually pay federal income tax “transferring wealth away” from 1) those that have little to no income tax to pay or 2) those that actually exist in the lower earning portion of those in the 80% that actually receive a lower rate???
 
You tell 'em, failed business owner who as a last resort tried giving his employees (for whom he didn't provide benefits) an incentive-based pay structure but it still didn't work and you went out of business anyway.

How's the pink Caddy? Wifey have you out there peddling makeup to pay your internet bill?

Still no attempt to refute what I said. I don't blame you, moron.
 
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You guys need to pow-wow and get your story together. Either my dad went broke or I'm still getting an allowance. It can't be both.

Yeah, it could be both. Your dad could have set up an allowance for you, and then went broke.
 
The premise of “wealth transfer” put forth by uninformed rubes like you is dumb. That’s why I ask the question based on that ignorant premise, with the expectation that you were not capable to answer.

But please enlighten us Puss. (You don’t have the guts or brains to do so, but I’ll ask again anyway)

How exactly is a tax cut that gives 80% of those that actually pay federal income tax “transferring wealth away” from 1) those that have little to no income tax to pay or 2) those that actually exist in the lower earning portion of those in the 80% that actually receive a lower rate???

Within the next ten years, 83% of all the tax cuts will be given to 1% of the population.

That's how wealth transfer works. You're welcome for the free lesson.

And you're one of those dumbasses cheering "go trump, we all getting tax breaks" and you aren't intelligent enough to know the tax breaks for the middle class are temporary and the tax breaks for corporations are permanent. And you also aren't intelligent enough to realize Medicaid and Medicare get cut by at least $20 billion dollars. And you aren't intelligent enough to realize because of elimination of the mandate, less people, primarily young healthy people, will stop purchasing health insurance and everyone else's premiums will go up.

Yeah, go trump?
 
You guys need to pow-wow and get your story together. Either my dad went broke or I'm still getting an allowance. It can't be both.
I am going with broke because you said the business was doing great because of your dad's brilliance but it went broke because of the bad employees. So when things Go great you take the credit when things go bad you blame the employees sounds a lot Like trump 2 me
 
Within the next ten years, 83% of all the tax cuts will be given to 1% of the population.

That's how wealth transfer works. You're welcome for the free lesson.

And you're one of those dumbasses cheering "go trump, we all getting tax breaks" and you aren't intelligent enough to know the tax breaks for the middle class are temporary and the tax breaks for corporations are permanent. And you also aren't intelligent enough to realize Medicaid and Medicare get cut by at least $20 billion dollars. And you aren't intelligent enough to realize because of elimination of the mandate, less people, primarily young healthy people, will stop purchasing health insurance and everyone else's premiums will go up.

Yeah, go trump?

You are a walking, talking outdated left wing cliche repeating 50 year old Democrat talking points.
I’m smart enough to know that any....ANY...legislative decision (including tax rates) are never truly “permanent”. Since when have Dems worried about the ability to change/changing tax rates? Hell, they usually enjoy raising them. It is central to their platform.

Please tell us at what point and time in history has any tax/rate ever been truly permanent ? Suddenly you’re worried about tax rates that are set to change by 2028??? The historical precedent of Dems raising them is virtually a guarantee anyway. Be patient. Your party will inevitably be trying to screw the avg guy in due time.

You’re a tool that should constantly be laughed at. Suddenly you’re worried about a tax on the middle class in 10 years?? Yet you sat quietly by while Obummer and Dems raised taxes (by the trillions $$) on them within 1 year of taking office. Either through mandated healthcare “insurance”purchases/penalties/surcharges or tax rates that expired (no surprise— CHANGED HIGHER) from the Bush era! Where were you and why were you not suggesting those rates be made permanent for the avg guy??

You sat quietly by while Obummer and the Dems actually raided hundreds of billions $$$ from Medicare funds to implement many of the initial changes within the ACA through the CMS! Yes that’s right. $$$ that could have been paid out to beneficiaries went into yet another bureaucratic black hole.

I’m smart enough to know (because I’m involved in healthcare/finance) that Medicare/caid WILL NOT BE CUT under this tax law. The amount of funding and spending towards these programs will continue to rise for the unforeseeable future, (regardless what Nancy Pelosi or some dumb reporter in the WaPo says). The rate of spending growth will be reduced in Medicare/caid; however....that was set to happen anyway under CMS policy initiatives that were established over the last 8 1/2 years. So, actually, this (non) “cut” you’re crying about was set to happen prior to Trumps election, anyway. (Learn the term: “Population Health”. The future of Medicare/caid (reduced) spending currently being tested in select markets/states around the country that started under Obummer.)

“Everyone else’s premiums will go up” because of the elimination of mandate. Well damn.....have you been under a rock the last 8 years? Have you seen what premiums have done (due to ALL plans that covered for services that were not needed or wanted) exactly because of a mandate? Why were you not questioning Obummers assertions that insurance premiums would be reduced by $2500 for most families when they went exactly the opposite? (Hypocrite???)

You appear to have very little understanding of health insurance or how it’s actually financed/priced. Even a basic understanding of economics blows your assertion completely out of the water. The exact opposite of what you are saying will occur if individuals choose not to buy a product or service they don’t want (or many cases) need.

Listen, if you want to have an honest conversation, first, know what you’re talking about. Second, at least pretend to realize the premise of your statements are largely decades old political talking point retreads intended to fuel more ignorance of the masses. So much of what you’re repeating just isn’t remotely accurate.

By the way Puss. Your attempt at explaining “wealth transfer” was also equally pathetic and incoherent. Of course, most opinions based on a false premise usually end up that way.
 
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love the "unpopular polls". same polls that guaranteed a dem pres victory. hilarious. we laugh at you idiots that put stock in these fake polls from your fake news. actually LOL'd at CNN the other evening when wolfe was going on about these polls. pure comedy gold. glad CNN is still in business. brightens my day for the sheer entertainment of watching pansy ass snowflake beta cuck crybaby libs whine about anything and everything that doesn't go their way.
 
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You are a walking, talking outdated left wing cliche repeating 50 year old Democrat talking points.
I’m smart enough to know that any....ANY...legislative decision (including tax rates) are never truly “permanent”. Since when have Dems worried about the ability to change/changing tax rates? Hell, they usually enjoy raising them. It is central to their platform.

Please tell us at what point and time in history has any tax/rate ever been truly permanent ? Suddenly you’re worried about tax rates that are set to change by 2028??? The historical precedent of Dems raising them is virtually a guarantee anyway. Be patient. Your party will inevitably be trying to screw the avg guy in due time.

You’re a tool that should constantly be laughed at. Suddenly you’re worried about a tax on the middle class in 10 years?? Yet you sat quietly by while Obummer and Dems raised taxes (by the trillions $$) on them within 1 year of taking office. Either through mandated healthcare “insurance”purchases/penalties/surcharges or tax rates that expired (no surprise— CHANGED HIGHER) from the Bush era! Where were you and why were you not suggesting those rates be made permanent for the avg guy??

You sat quietly by while Obummer and the Dems actually raided hundreds of billions $$$ from Medicare funds to implement many of the initial changes within the ACA through the CMS! Yes that’s right. $$$ that could have been paid out to beneficiaries went into yet another bureaucratic black hole.

I’m smart enough to know (because I’m involved in healthcare/finance) that Medicare/caid WILL NOT BE CUT under this tax law. The amount of funding and spending towards these programs will continue to rise for the unforeseeable future, (regardless what Nancy Pelosi or some dumb reporter in the WaPo says). The rate of spending growth will be reduced in Medicare/caid; however....that was set to happen anyway under CMS policy initiatives that were established over the last 8 1/2 years. So, actually, this (non) “cut” you’re crying about was set to happen prior to Trumps election, anyway. (Learn the term: “Population Health”. The future of Medicare/caid (reduced) spending currently being tested in select markets/states around the country that started under Obummer.)

“Everyone else’s premiums will go up” because of the elimination of mandate. Well damn.....have you been under a rock the last 8 years? Have you seen what premiums have done (due to ALL plans that covered for services that were not needed or wanted) exactly because of a mandate? Why were you not questioning Obummers assertions that insurance premiums would be reduced by $2500 for most families when they went exactly the opposite? (Hypocrite???)

You appear to have very little understanding of health insurance or how it’s actually financed/priced. Even a basic understanding of economics blows your assertion completely out of the water. The exact opposite of what you are saying will occur if individuals choose not to buy a product or service they don’t want (or many cases) need.

Listen, if you want to have an honest conversation, first, know what you’re talking about. Second, at least pretend to realize the premise of your statements are largely decades old political talking point retreads intended to fuel more ignorance of the masses. So much of what you’re repeating just isn’t remotely accurate.

By the way Puss. Your attempt at explaining “wealth transfer” was also equally pathetic and incoherent. Of course, most opinions based on a false premise usually end up that way.


Dayum, where to start? There is more horseshit in your post than all the farms in Lexington.

Medicare and Medicaid cuts of 20 billion is right in the bill. Liar. A mandate to purchase health insurance placed a burden on the young and healthy folks, the majority of people who weren't buying insurance, and relieved some of the burden from the responsible people like you and I who did purchase healthcare insurance.

Your post lacks any actual facts and substance and shows your idiocy. You have supported an administration and a bill that is specifically designed to transfer wealth.

Pussy.
 
Dayum, where to start? There is more horseshit in your post than all the farms in Lexington.

Medicare and Medicaid cuts of 20 billion is right in the bill. Liar. A mandate to purchase health insurance placed a burden on the young and healthy folks, the majority of people who weren't buying insurance, and relieved some of the burden from the responsible people like you and I who did purchase healthcare insurance.

Your post lacks any actual facts and substance and shows your idiocy. You have supported an administration and a bill that is specifically designed to transfer wealth.

Pussy.

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Dayum, where to start? There is more horseshit in your post than all the farms in Lexington.

Medicare and Medicaid cuts of 20 billion is right in the bill. Liar. A mandate to purchase health insurance placed a burden on the young and healthy folks, the majority of people who weren't buying insurance, and relieved some of the burden from the responsible people like you and I who did purchase healthcare insurance.

Your post lacks any actual facts and substance and shows your idiocy. You have supported an administration and a bill that is specifically designed to transfer wealth.
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I’m not the only one here who continues to demonstrate the fallacy in your claims of tax knowledge. I know you try to use big words like “horseshit” and “pussy” in your reply, but that just reinforces your lack of intellect on the topic. Spend more time explaining the concepts you (pretend to) understand.

My post actually explained the facts as they have and will continue to occur based on my years of professional/career experience (as well as paying attention to exactly what your ideology repeatedly promotes into happening). No. Medicare isn’t “cut”. Educate yourself on the concept of “baseline budgets” and then let’s have a conversation.

Again, you’re not capable of explaining how exactly a “wealth transfer” happens via this tax plan. No one can.....because it doesn’t happen. Tax cuts don’t “transfer wealth” from one (non) tax paying individual to another (non) paying tax individuals. It is a completely made up premise.

You prove you have absolutely zero understanding of not only insurance, healthcare and finance but also the economics that drive those businesses within these sector(s). Premiums and deductibles have skyrocketed due to forced coverage. That is a fact! Additional fact: they would have been even higher had the government not reimbursed the insurance companies on their claim losses due to forced coverage.

It’s absolutely stunning to think (based on Rox’s earlier reply to you) that you may indeed practice law, or deliver some form of service tied to injury claims/settlements. You’re proving to be an incompetent fraud in this forum.
 
I’m not the only one here who continues to demonstrate the fallacy in your claims of tax knowledge. I know you try to use big words like “horseshit” and “pussy” in your reply, but that just reinforces your lack of intellect on the topic. Spend more time explaining the concepts you (pretend to) understand.

My post actually explained the facts as they have and will continue to occur based on my years of professional/career experience (as well as paying attention to exactly what your ideology repeatedly promotes into happening). No. Medicare isn’t “cut”. Educate yourself on the concept of “baseline budgets” and then let’s have a conversation.

Again, you’re not capable of explaining how exactly a “wealth transfer” happens via this tax plan. No one can.....because it doesn’t happen. Tax cuts don’t “transfer wealth” from one (non) tax paying individual to another (non) paying tax individuals. It is a completely made up premise.

You prove you have absolutely zero understanding of not only insurance, healthcare and finance but also the economics that drive those businesses within these sector(s). Premiums and deductibles have skyrocketed due to forced coverage. That is a fact! Additional fact: they would have been even higher had the government not reimbursed the insurance companies on their claim losses due to forced coverage.

It’s absolutely stunning to think (based on Rox’s earlier reply to you) that you may indeed practice law, or deliver some form of service tied to injury claims/settlements. You’re proving to be an incompetent fraud in this forum.

You are the one who started with the puss stuff, snowflake. Don't be a douche who can dish it out but can't take it.

83% of the tax breaks going to 1% of the people is a straightforward transfer of wealth. "It ain't rocket appliances."
 
I know you try to use big words like “horseshit” and “pussy” in your reply, but that just reinforces your lack of intellect on the topic.

Can you be any more of a hypocrite? Are you too dumb to realize that you were the one who started with that name-calling?

You probably were distracted by all of your daily meetings with experts in every single field that has ever been discussed on Pullman.
 
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You are the one who started with the puss stuff, snowflake. Don't be a douche who can dish it out but can't take it.

83% of the tax breaks going to 1% of the people is a straightforward transfer of wealth. "It ain't rocket appliances."

You're seriously a fvcking 'tard. Do you know what the word "transfer" means? Explain how money is being taken from the 99% and given to the evil, dreaded 1%. A reduction in ANYONE'S tax burden affects no one else. Bill Gates getting a 5% tax break and me getting a 5% tax break is not a transfer of wealth from me to him. Only a retarded, ideological douchebag would make that statement.
 
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