Is this the beginning of another hush-hush, top secret, fans don't need to know anything about it absence???
FOOTBALL GAME THREAD NC State
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I don't recall complete silence about his absence last year. What I recall was straight up dishonesty. Supposedly he had some personal issues he was working out with his family or something similar.
I think going for the onsides was the correct call.
Fancher isn’t going to go the length of the field or even half the length without timeouts.
It just seems like, I’ve seen the Herd lose due to onside kicks over the years, but never seen us pull one out with one.
Ali limped off the field in the 4th qtr. Not sure how bad it was, he didn't go to the locker room
Dropped passes, and turnovers hurt. Dline was getting held all day. Where are our LBs (like last week)? Fancher isn't the guy....
This game wasn't on the offensive play calling. Poor execution at critical points.
Dropped passes, and turnovers hurt. Dline was getting held all day. Where are our LBs (like last week)? Fancher isn't the guy....
This game wasn't on the offensive play calling. Poor execution at critical points.
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It sucks because the kid has grown on me. For all his shortcomings, he doesn't quit which is more than what I can say about the last QB we had and the one before that QB also. What can be done though? Huff, I feel like, has made it clear that unless he REALLY screws up, he will be our QB.
He looks like a very capable QB for a series or two and then turns the ball over at a critical point. I want the kid to be successful. I like his overall composure in the pocket. I like his mobility. But you cant give the ball away as often as he does. Receivers have to make catches too. Key drops stopped drives.
This team hasn't put a complete game together yet.
People talking trash on Fancher 315 passing yds with 2TDs passes and ran 2TDs. How about that horrific defensive performance..why’s no one bashing the supposedly superstar Owen Porter!?!? He hasn’t impressed at all this year against the big boys. I think what was missing was pressure on that QB, I think if we could have rattled him we would have got the W. Thought we overall looked good, if defensive line fixes things we can be a scary team.
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315 yards on 51 attempts is not that impressive.
That’s 6.2 yards per attempt. His average was 7.2 yards per attempt coming into the game and was 75th in the country.
Very inefficient.
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Astute and exactly right. An efficient QB is going to be around 8 yards per attempt. A really good QB closer to 9. A top QB will see 10. Currently all the top 10 QBs are those double digit guys.
Worse yet, he is 113th in yards per completion at 10.1 before today. His 29 completions for 315 is right about on that average. There are 124 QBs ranked in that stat. Number 62, the median, is 12.28 ypc. That translates into 60 more yards on 29 completions. That turns 4th and 2 into first downs instead of punts.
Cato was 13.14 in 2014 and still was only 29th in the country.
Some of the low ypc is also because we have no explosive WR's to get us Yac. Obviously that would change the ypc number. Plus we very rarely hit a big down the field pass because our offense is dink and dunk(maybe by design or limitationsof qb). Not taking up for him, just that it's 1 stat that is tied to the qb that has many variables.
Well, it's mostly dink and dunk because he has accuracy issues with anything beyond 10 yards. We may not have good WR's but it wouldn't matter much if they're constantly the recipient of passes sailing out of their range.
The concerning part is that I don't think Huff has any freshman QB who's being touted as the obvious starter once they're ready. Additionally, we don't seem to ever develop our QBs, rather they just learn on their own through trial and error during games.
This doesn't suggest he's trying to build the program, but maybe he's thinking the portal is going to be his a la carte method to find a QB we need to win enough so he (Huff) can get out of Huntington.
His comp% is fools gold with the 5-yd swing & hitch passes. His QBR at 49.5 ranks 85th in FBS with 6 TDs vs. 5 INTs. He also had 3 fumbles with his 1 INT and was lucky the other 2 fumbles were recovered.
The hilarious disconnect is watching the Herd FB twitter post to showcase him. What is Huff and Trick watching...?
My 2 cents, in attendance yday:
Their speed was a level or so above what we’re used to. Several plays, esp punt returns & running plays, they were able to run past our angles to get good yardage, plays that I believe in the SB we would’ve stopped.
I thought the roughing penalty was bogus.
Why, oh why did Huff elect to go for it on 4th & 7(?) from our own 40 with 11 mins left in the 4th? That made zero sense in that situation, and of course bit us when Cam fumbled it away. Why wasn’t Ali used in that situation?
Their game day experience was great. No competition between the band & PA announcer. Did a lot of fan shots while playing upbeat, popular songs.
I didn’t think their crowd noise was a factor.
The flyover of 4 prop planes (bandits) at the end of the National Anthem was way cool!
Maybe Brad can assemble a small fleet for us?
p.s. Huff talks about Marshall beaters. Well, there were at least 2 dozen on display vs NCSU, when we could only afford a couple, at most…..
Their speed was a level or so above what we’re used to. Several plays, esp punt returns & running plays, they were able to run past our angles to get good yardage, plays that I believe in the SB we would’ve stopped.
I thought the roughing penalty was bogus.
Why, oh why did Huff elect to go for it on 4th & 7(?) from our own 40 with 11 mins left in the 4th? That made zero sense in that situation, and of course bit us when Cam fumbled it away. Why wasn’t Ali used in that situation?
Their game day experience was great. No competition between the band & PA announcer. Did a lot of fan shots while playing upbeat, popular songs.
I didn’t think their crowd noise was a factor.
The flyover of 4 prop planes (bandits) at the end of the National Anthem was way cool!
Maybe Brad can assemble a small fleet for us?
p.s. Huff talks about Marshall beaters. Well, there were at least 2 dozen on display vs NCSU, when we could only afford a couple, at most…..
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Probably because he was double teamed most every play. Yesterday he was literally getting tackled by their offensive lineman and the officials refused to make a call.
His turnovers are an issue.
Porter was our best defensive player yesterday... He was in the backfield consistently and was double teamed every passing play.
That said, our defense was bad as a whole... I didn't think the game plan was any good at all defensively, we look slow and robotic at linebacker (hence giving up gash plays up the middle) and we aren't very good at safety either (gave up three long passes/2 TDs because we flat didn't/couldnt cover the slot).
Special teams was also pathetic, yet again, as it has been pretty much all season.
Fancher is what he is (a game manager), but yesterday was not on him... You give up 48 points and you are going to lose 9 out of 10 times.
The 2 TDs were from their TE. Totally blown coverages. We got sucked up out of position.
I watched the game over and Porter was not double teamed that often, held another story but that was the entire d-line, he’s just not that good… he’s definitely no Vinny curry or BJ Cohen…. jmo
No one has claimed he was either one of those guys.
His 4 TD's gave us a chance to win. I've been a supporter of Fancher since he began starting. Where have you been? But yes, his turnovers hurt us. One of which led to a NCST score. Suggesting he needs to not turn the ball over isn't "hating" on the kid. He wasn't the single reason we lost. Try harder.
Porter is getting double teamed this year. He did get held Saturday. No one claimed he was Curry. But...he is a leader on the field and for this team. He's earned it.
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Yes that's what eventually came out officially but not long before his return.
My point was even Huff claimed it was personal issues initially and hinted the very first time that he (Ali) might be back after missing the following week's game.
Sorta like the Leftwich situation, and Pruett claiming just a high ankle sprain.
I knew, but was not on HN yet to inform. One of my best friends was a videographer for the team last year. I remember when we posted the four pics of him on twitter, he texted me and said "notice how there isnt a pic of his legs"
He actually doesn’t throw a bad long ball, it’s the intermediate level of passes that he struggles with. His throwing mechanics are definitely horrid. He is a baller, and gives us his all though…and sometimes that gives it to the other team. I’d like to hear @riflearm2 take on him and what needs done to fix Fancher’s issues.
His long ball might look good but it’s nowhere near accurate
I know watching 10-12 WR screens a game is getting old for a lot of us, and I have wondered why we've gone back to that form of offense this season... I think its a combination of 3 things.
1. Fancher is not an "arm talent" QB... He's just not. He has average at best arm strength and accuracy issues downfield. It's easier for him to throw within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage, so we lean into that.
2. We dont have a WR1... We have 2 or 3 guys that would be fine WR2's, just no stud to go get the ball deep. Keaton is probably our fastest guy, but he has questionable hands and is always hurt. Coombs shows flashes but is inconsistent, Montgomery and McMillan are slot/screen pass guys.
3. No third down confidence... The thought that we can't make a downfield passing game work falls in line with the "we have to stay ahead of the chains" philosophy. Taking 3-4 yards on a bubble screen, or running on every first down, is better than a 20-yard incompletion. We are simply not built for 3rd and 10 or longer, so missing on a deep ball is magnified.
Mottillo had 3 catches and I guess Conley was hurt.
Would like to see more TE action from Trickett.
Would like to see more TE action from Trickett.
and Cato played on the most loaded teams we've had in the last 20 years by far. especially 13 and 14.
You would think in an era of QB specialty coaches and clinics, we get Cam hooked up with someone. I hear it all the time on tv about how a commentator mentions this college QB worked over the summer with this QB coach and specialist. Why not us?
he was just recognized as one of the top offensive players this week. he's not an nfl guy or a great qb. however, we've given up over 80 in the last two games and people are harping on the QB.
we always get a theme and most everyone sticks to it.......my guess is we will hear this all year long and maybe his entire career. with each loss or bad game it will get louder and with each win quieter but the same blah blah blah blah while ignoring every other facet of the team.
