The Saudi rival to the PGA Tour will replace the old Greenbrier Classic next August 4-6. Unlike the old tournament it won’t feature a themed Marshall-WVU-Virginia Tech-UVa alumni clubhouse, but admission is way less, $27 for the weekend.
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I recall the PGA events held there, and usually didn't attract the top PGA golfers. Even then, they seemed to be finished 72 holes 20 something under par. There's a lot of good golfers in the LIV, so maybe a few of them will shoot 38 under par or something like that.
There's a few really nice properties for sell in White Sulphur Springs, and some have been listed for a while now, so figuring those are some of the pros that are selling. Can't imagine too many buyers in that area for several $3,000,000 homes.Good for the state…errr Jimmy J. They treat that course like a playground…kind of fun to watch. I think most of the pros sold their property that was at the greenbrier when the PGA left.
I followed DJ a few holes when they were here and it’s incredible how hard he hits. Looking forward to it.
You can make the courses harder. Narrow fairways and shoot up the rough.First of all, F the Saudis and F the LIV.
Second, it's not an issue that the course is "easy". Most courses on tour are actually pretty easy for those guys, it's the elite tournaments that are hard. Most tour stops, people don't want to pay to see guys shoot over par.
If there’s fried green tomato sandwiches I’m going sorry.You can make the courses harder. Narrow fairways and shoot up the rough.
F the Saudis, F Greg Norman, F LIV
Don't go to the event.
Get one somewhere else. Do not support this LIV stuff.If there’s fried green tomato sandwiches I’m going sorry.
This is a ludicrous take. How can they "destroy" the majors? Seriously. The PGA deciding to allow these guys to actually play in the majors would create more drama and more eyeballs watching. Locking them out is senseless and petty. It is actually making golf less interesting to watch.Two, they are trying to destroy the tour, majors, Ryder Cup, President's Cup, etc.
Watching millionaires cry over who is getting more millions is hilarious. "Disruption" is accepted in every industry except for pro sports organizations like PGA.Hopefully those guys get zero OGWR points for the long term
Who needs the dirty Saudi League. First of their fromat is a joke at this point. Second, the PGA Tour has been the standard. Third, who wants the dirty Saudis involved in golf.This is a ludicrous take. How can they "destroy" the majors? Seriously. The PGA deciding to allow these guys to actually play in the majors would create more drama and more eyeballs watching. Locking them out is senseless and petty. It is actually making golf less interesting to watch.
Watching millionaires cry over who is getting more millions is hilarious. "Disruption" is accepted in every industry except for pro sports organizations like PGA.
That would be interesting. If the PGA had anything to do with the Majors. Except, of course, it doesn’t.This is a ludicrous take. How can they "destroy" the majors? Seriously. The PGA deciding to allow these guys to actually play in the majors would create more drama and more eyeballs watching.
The objections to the Saudi tour are two. One is the Saudis. This can be called “sportswashing” which is the use of sports to make people ignore the country’s treatment of people. Anybody old enough to remember the mainstream media gushing over commie athletes back in the day knows it works. The other is covered above. The PGA Tour is a cooperative, no owner. If you are good enough you can make it. This Saudi tour is like the Globetrotters. It’s an exhibition. As it ages, there is no way to know how good these guys really are, as they just play one another over and over.Watching millionaires cry over who is getting more millions is hilarious. "Disruption" is accepted in every industry except for pro sports organizations like PGA.
I beliee that is why Augusta is letting them play in 2023. If you notice Augustas wording this week, it states to the something to the effect of they can play in 2023 but after that we may make changes.That would be interesting. If the PGA had anything to do with the Majors. Except, of course, it doesn’t.
The PGA Tour runs the regular weekly events and is more or less a cooperative among the players. The Majors are run by the Augusta National Golf Club (secret society of richer than rich men), the USGA (the rule making body for the USA), the Royal and Ancient Golf Club of St. Andrew’s (the rule making body for the rest of the world) and the PGA of America (the labor union for the golf pros at local courses, unrelated to the PGA Tour since 1969).
The objections to the Saudi tour are two. One is the Saudis. This can be called “sportswashing” which is the use of sports to make people ignore the country’s treatment of people. Anybody old enough to remember the mainstream media gushing over commie athletes back in the day knows it works. The other is covered above. The PGA Tour is a cooperative, no owner. If you are good enough you can make it. This Saudi tour is like the Globetrotters. It’s an exhibition. As it ages, there is no way to know how good these guys really are, as they just play one another over and over.
As to the OWGR, which the PGA Tour isn’t in charge of either, the points age out after 2 years. If this Saudi thing lasts long enough, the guys like Phil and Bubba who have lifetime passes for being winners will still play, but the rest of the crew will have no points and will be unwelcome.
Which actually strengthens my point.If the PGA had anything to do with the Majors. Except, of course, it doesn’t.
Again. Why not let them play and find out "how good they are"?As it ages, there is no way to know how good these guys really are, as they just play one another over and over.
This Saudi tour is like the Globetrotters. It’s an exhibition.
Like I said. "Disruption" is an accepted idea in every industry. Blackballing golfers because they took a payout in another league is incredibly short sighted for a host of reasons.
Dont give me the excuse "Saudi's treatment of people--sports washing". That is incredibly lame for a host of reasons. When Herdman and Sammy start boycotting driving combustible engines cars...let me know. When these PGA players stop taking endorsement money from companies with huge Saudi backing....let me know.
Which actually strengthens my point.
Again. Why not let them play and find out "how good they are"?
AND IT WORKS....The Tiger-Phil 1V1 events, the Manning-Brady with pro golfers events are all "EXHIBITION" events that draw fans in and big sponsorships. Exhibitions work.
Since the PGA is controlled by it's member golfers, this is nothing more than one group of millionaires being butt hurt over another group of millionaires getting a big guarantee.
I don't have any choice but to drive a car whether it be gas or electric. Both use oil. I can't pick where they get oil from.Like I said. "Disruption" is an accepted idea in every industry. Blackballing golfers because they took a payout in another league is incredibly short sighted for a host of reasons.
Dont give me the excuse "Saudi's treatment of people--sports washing". That is incredibly lame for a host of reasons. When Herdman and Sammy start boycotting driving combustible engines cars...let me know. When these PGA players stop taking endorsement money from companies with huge Saudi backing....let me know.
Which actually strengthens my point.
Again. Why not let them play and find out "how good they are"?
AND IT WORKS....The Tiger-Phil 1V1 events, the Manning-Brady with pro golfers events are all "EXHIBITION" events that draw fans in and big sponsorships. Exhibitions work.
Since the PGA is controlled by it's member golfers, this is nothing more than one group of millionaires being butt hurt over another group of millionaires getting a big guarantee.
They are not “blackballed”. They took money to play exhibition golf against one another over and over. Meanwhile, pulling the ladder of success up behind them. They can play their exhibitions all day.Like I said. "Disruption" is an accepted idea in every industry. Blackballing golfers because they took a payout in another league is incredibly short sighted for a host of reasons.
No, it mostly outlines that you don’t know much about the subject.Which actually strengthens my point.
They chose not to play. The Globetrotters don’t play in the NBA. The Savanah Bananas don’t play in MLB.Again. Why not let them play and find out "how good they are"?
No it’s not. The Saudi tour is on YOU TUBE for free. YOU TUBE!!!!AND IT WORKS....The Tiger-Phil 1V1 events, the Manning-Brady with pro golfers events are all "EXHIBITION" events that draw fans in and big sponsorships. Exhibitions work.
Yes. The PGA Tour is a merit based system. Anyone who is good enough can play, and there are no guarantees. That is where stars are made. So a handful of stars, who made it through the system, now walk away and leave behind the next generation. It is pulling the ladder up behind you.Since the PGA is controlled by it's member golfers, this is nothing more than one group of millionaires being butt hurt over another group of millionaires getting a big guarantee.
Year long exhibitions do not work. Do not compare that to one-off special events. Let's say the entire college football season was noting but meaningless bowl games, do you think that would work? Fvck no, no one would care. MLB as one long All-Star season? No one is going to watch that.Exhibitions work.
And Greg has been a grade A asshole for years. I don't think it is a coincidence that most of the LIV golfers also have a reputation for being pricks.They pick Greg Norman to lead it and he has had an axe to grind with the PGA Tour for years.
The Saudis, Greg Norman, and a bunch of pricks.Year long exhibitions do not work. Do not compare that to one-off special events. Let's say the entire college football season was noting but meaningless bowl games, do you think that would work? Fvck no, no one would care. MLB as one long All-Star season? No one is going to watch that.
And Greg has been a grade A asshole for years. I don't think it is a coincidence that most of the LIV golfers also have a reputation for being pricks.
I've lost a lot of respect for Big Jim over this.The Saudis, Greg Norman, and a bunch of pricks.
Made a deal with the big fat governor in WV. Wonder who is going to get screwed out of that deal.
So the masters is a year long event?? Who knew.Year long exhibitions do not work. Do not compare that to one-off special events
I've lost a lot of respect for Big Jim over this.
I've always personally liked Jim, but Jesus Christ he is a terrible judge of character. First hitching his wagon to Trump, who turned around and burned him this year by endorsing that no-good SOB and carpetbagger Mooney (who hasn't done jack shit for WV) over Dave McKinley (who has done good for WV, even if I disagree with him on a lot) Now he's kissing the Saudi's ass. Hey Jim, you don't need to kiss anyone's ass.
Comparing one of the greatest sporting events in the entire world, one that every single player of the sport dreams of winning, to the the LIV or any made for TV sporting event of no importance makes you easily the dumbest person on this board.So the masters is a year long event?? Who knew.
Do you disagree that Trump screwed Jim this year? Hell, Google it, Jim had a lot to say about it. Trump, the Saudis, these are not trustworthy people, and Big Jim should know he is in a position to not hitch his wagon to such people. Doesn't matter if Trump is right or left in this case, Jim told him who he preferred for the benefit of WV and Trump didn't give two shits; if Jim were still a Democratic and Biden did that I'd say the same. The royal ragheads don't give a fvck about Jim Justice either.Call me shocked that a golf thread would result in you turning the subject to BUT TRUMP. Bahahahaha
The Greenbrier could har have been a spot for Presidents Cup or PGA event. Even high USGA events.Comparing one of the greatest sporting events in the entire world, one that every single player of the sport dreams of winning, to the the LIV or any made for TV sporting event of no importance makes you easily the dumbest person on this board.
Do you disagree that Trump screwed Jim this year? Hell, Google it, Jim had a lot to say about it. Trump, the Saudis, these are not trustworthy people, and Big Jim should know he is in a position to not hitch his wagon to such people. Doesn't matter if Trump is right or left in this case, Jim told him who he preferred for the benefit of WV and Trump didn't give two shits; if Jim were still a Democratic and Biden did that I'd say the same. The royal ragheads don't give a fvck about Jim Justice either.
Jim would be better off to try to get another PGA event, and now that will never happen, because the PGA will not be forgiving when the LIV shuts down (and it will). And if you don't think Jim getting another PGA event is possible, think again: there's another billionaire that won't ever get an event again (whoops, your stupid ass forgot TRUMP is big in golf too!), that alone was a shake up in where the PGA plays.
You considering Big Jim a trustworthy person makes you the dumbest MFer on here. The PGA was never coming back to WV…not while Big Jim was around.Comparing one of the greatest sporting events in the entire world, one that every single player of the sport dreams of winning, to the the LIV or any made for TV sporting event of no importance makes you easily the dumbest person on this board.
Do you disagree that Trump screwed Jim this year? Hell, Google it, Jim had a lot to say about it. Trump, the Saudis, these are not trustworthy people, and Big Jim should know he is in a position to not hitch his wagon to such people. Doesn't matter if Trump is right or left in this case, Jim told him who he preferred for the benefit of WV and Trump didn't give two shits; if Jim were still a Democratic and Biden did that I'd say the same. The royal ragheads don't give a fvck about Jim Justice either.
Jim would be better off to try to get another PGA event, and now that will never happen, because the PGA will not be forgiving when the LIV shuts down (and it will). And if you don't think Jim getting another PGA event is possible, think again: there's another billionaire that won't ever get an event again (whoops, your stupid ass forgot TRUMP is big in golf too!), that alone was a shake up in where the PGA plays.
We don't like someone messing with golf tradition and especially don't like it when it is the ragheads.You considering Big Jim a trustworthy person makes you the dumbest MFer on here. The PGA was never coming back to WV…not while Big Jim was around.
But seriously. Who gives a damn. The guys that went to LIV are richer than they could ever be had they remained in the PGA. I don’t blame them for taking the opportunity
Either they are paid millions by Chinese $$, funneled through “American” corporations and the PGA or Saudi $$ paid right to them. You guys getting worked up over a millionaire spat is hilarious.
Please quote where I said these words.You considering Big Jim a trustworthy person
Tell us more about how The Masters is a meaningless exhibition. The Masters, dude.you the dumbest MFer on here
Money ain't everything.The guys that went to LIV are richer than they could ever be had they remained in the PGA
You guys getting worked up over a millionaire spat is hilarious.
It's not only some vague notion of tradition, it is the objective standards by which we record greatness. LIV is 7 inning baseball with a 300 ft center field fence. Paid for by actual terrorists, btw.We don't like someone messing with golf tradition and especially don't like it when it is the ragheads.
Tell us more about how The Masters is a meaningless exhibition. The Masters, dude.
We don't like someone messing with golf tradition
I don’t mind paying green fees to play on a nice course. I’m never paying to watch someone else play the game.$27 for the weekend.
well he is the "libertarian" that doesn't like small govt nor the President that made his life better and was cutting regulation.So the masters is a year long event?? Who knew.
Call me shocked that a golf thread would result in you turning the subject to BUT TRUMP. Bahahahaha