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I watched it and rooted for them all the way. Just makes us look better. Doughty is incredible.
I'm just glad they won.
Would be embarrassing for CUSA if the champion lost to the 4th best AAC team
Would be embarrassing for CUSA if the champion lost to the 4th best AAC team
One thing I learned from the game... our CUSA commissioners first priority this offseason needs to be getting our league champ into a better bowl game.
If you win the league at 11-2 (or in our case last year 12-1) and your options are a 6-6 eighth place team from the B1G or a 8-4 AAC team at 2 pm on a Monday then your options suck.
If you win the league at 11-2 (or in our case last year 12-1) and your options are a 6-6 eighth place team from the B1G or a 8-4 AAC team at 2 pm on a Monday then your options suck.
I assumed my TV was broken. A MEGATEAM from the "6th power conference" being a SUPERCONFERENCE, being on the same field as, let alone being easily beaten by a lowly CUSA "garbage team".
Totally confused. After all, all I read about on here is how much CUSA and Hamrick suck and how we should spend millions we don't have to play in this WORLD DOMINATING LEAGUE.
You mean these teams lace them up just like us? That CUSA is competitive?
Who knew?
What can people bitch about now?
I will agree with you on that one. We should try to regain a bowl like the Liberty Bowl against an SEC opponent for out champ if we can. In the meantime we as a conference just need to win games in the bowls
Sam, I think you've got it backward; no one thinks our League Champ can't compete with the AAC, but most of us know that their worst teams have a lot more notoriety and better SOS rating than the bottom of our league. Why is it so hard to accept that many of us know the other conference is overall better than ours; with more rewarding bowls and much better TV contract. Why wouldn't one aspire to be in that better league?
When you have to worry about every possible loss to that league it makes it clear you're hoping to be as good as they are. If there had been another 5 minutes the results in this game could have been a lot different. WKU very fortunate to win this one.
When you have to worry about every possible loss to that league it makes it clear you're hoping to be as good as they are. If there had been another 5 minutes the results in this game could have been a lot different. WKU very fortunate to win this one.
What makes you think USF was going to score two TDs to win in d minutes. Get real. WKU outscored them 28-7 in the third and the fourth went to USF 14-7. They scored 14 in the quarter and you insinuate they were rolling and going to score 10 or more in the next 5 minutes.
when we had the Liberty Bowl it was the same... we played mostly teams that wouldn't have even been bowl eligible in the early 90's...
Miss St. (6-6)
Iowa St. (6-6)
Georgia (6-6)
Arkansas (7-5)
UK (6-6)
Miss St. (7-5)
S. Carolina (7-5)
the best match-up was when the Liberty bowl was CUSA champ vs WAC champ (now the MWC).
Fresno (8-4)
Boise (11-0)
Utah (9-2)
Colorado St. (10-3)
BYU (12-1)
here are the match-ups we would have seen over the last few years playing the MWC champ:
WKU (11-2) vs SDSU (10-3)
MU (12-1) vs Boise (11-2) *or* CSU (10-3)
Rice (10-3) vs Fresno (11-1)
Tulsa (10-3) vs Boise (10-2)
S. Miss (11-2) vs TCU (10-2)
UCF (10-3) vs TCU (12-0) *or* Utah (10-2)
WKU's D was toast, dead tired. USF scored almost at will in the fourth quarter. WKU's O was also toast. I still contend that if you add 5 minutes WKU loses. Neither one can prove Yea or Nea; but WKU was Dead Tired on both sides of the ball and their D couldn't keep up with USFs O at all in the last quarter but twice.
Honestly, no I don't. I don't pull for a conference mate just because they're a conference mate. I will never pull for WKU, in anything. USM is the only team in this conference I'll openly pull for in a game.
MTSU has had Doc's number, but they seem like scholars and gentlemen compared to WKU.
It would be easy to accept, if it were true. It simply is not. Who won the $$ last year?
CUSA bowls (in rotation over years, five slots): "access" Arizona, Armed Forces, Bahamas, Boca Raton, Hawaii, HOD, Indy, Miami Beach, New Mexico, New Orleans, St. Pete.
AAC bowls (in rotation over years, six slots): "access" Birmingham, St. Pete, Miami Beach, Military, Armed Forces, Bahamas, Cure, Hawaii, Boca Raton, New Orleans, (Back up if ACC or SEC comes short on teams in the Liberty, Indy, or Poinsettia.
TV? Weeknight program killing football. Against the NFL on Thursdays? Against 100 HS games on Fridays? No thanks.
A "better" league would be a P5 league. That will never happen. Since at least the top 3, if not all 5, G5 leagues are equal, there is nothing to aspire to. Except $7M wasted and weeknight football.
I'll let the facts speak for themselves; below is a recap of the bowl lineup of C-USA and the AAC.
When reading this, notice a few things:
Game time starts for week day games
Game time starts for weekend games
Conferences of the opponents (We've got 1 P5, AAC has 4)
Number of games - (notice we couldn't even fill our allotment of opportunities)
AAC plays NO Sunbelt Teams in bowls this year
Date Game Time TV Team 1 Team 2 Opponent Conference
C-USA bowls
19-Dec New Orleans 9 ESPN Arkansas State La Tech Sun Belt
21-Dec Miami Beach 2:30 ESPN USF WKU AAC
24-Dec Bahamas noon ESPN Western Mich MTSU MAC
26-Dec St. Petersburg 11 ESPN Uconn Marshall AAC
26-Dec Heart of Dallas 2:30 ESPN Washington Southern Miss PAC 12
AAC bowls
22-Dec Boca Raton 7 ESPN Toledo Temple MAC
24-Dec Hawaii 8 ESPN San Diego State Cincinnati MWC
26-Dec St. Petersburg 11 ESPN Uconn Marshall C-USA
26-Dec Independence 5:45 ESPN Tulsa Va Tech ACC
28-Dec Military 2:30 ESPN Pittsburgh Navy ACC
30-Dec Birmhingham Noon ESPN Auburn Memphis SEC
31-Dec Chick Fil A Noon ESPN Houston Florida State ACC -Access
When reading this, notice a few things:
Game time starts for week day games
Game time starts for weekend games
Conferences of the opponents (We've got 1 P5, AAC has 4)
Number of games - (notice we couldn't even fill our allotment of opportunities)
AAC plays NO Sunbelt Teams in bowls this year
Date Game Time TV Team 1 Team 2 Opponent Conference
C-USA bowls
19-Dec New Orleans 9 ESPN Arkansas State La Tech Sun Belt
21-Dec Miami Beach 2:30 ESPN USF WKU AAC
24-Dec Bahamas noon ESPN Western Mich MTSU MAC
26-Dec St. Petersburg 11 ESPN Uconn Marshall AAC
26-Dec Heart of Dallas 2:30 ESPN Washington Southern Miss PAC 12
AAC bowls
22-Dec Boca Raton 7 ESPN Toledo Temple MAC
24-Dec Hawaii 8 ESPN San Diego State Cincinnati MWC
26-Dec St. Petersburg 11 ESPN Uconn Marshall C-USA
26-Dec Independence 5:45 ESPN Tulsa Va Tech ACC
28-Dec Military 2:30 ESPN Pittsburgh Navy ACC
30-Dec Birmhingham Noon ESPN Auburn Memphis SEC
31-Dec Chick Fil A Noon ESPN Houston Florida State ACC -Access
Seems pretty equal to me. You do KNOW that the "access bowl" is available to all G5 conferences, right?
I guess you don't care to be on ESPN and you love to play ODU and UNCC every year. I guess you love playing in a conference where there is only 4 teams that have a legit shot of winning it every year.
I see your ODU and UNCC and raise you Tulane and Tulsa.
Five teams have played in the CUSA Championship game in the last 3 years. How can only 4 have a shot? This contrasts to the deep depth of the AAC exactly how?
As to ESPN, no I bought me this thing called a "remote control" and I can simply switch to CBSSN or FS1 at the push of a button. Except my team's games are not played on program killing weeknights.
I agree with marine. I don't root for a conference mate just because of affiliation and never for WKU.
I also wouldn't mind seeing the CUSA and MWC champs in a bowl, if neither made the access Bowl.
I also wouldn't mind seeing the CUSA and MWC champs in a bowl, if neither made the access Bowl.
Before we get too into how hard it is to get teams/leagues into bowl games, here are a couple of plausible scenarios that could be worked out with a little savvy, and of course lots of money... These ideas could help CUSA find a quality bowl opponent for its champ, in order from reasonable to dreaming.
1. The Heart of Dallas Bowl gets moved up the Big10 bowl order -- With some incentivizing the HOD bowl moves up 2-3 spots in rank and the CUSA champ gets to play an 8 or 9 win team from a P5 league. For example, if the HOD bowl had the fifth pick of Big10 teams this year (rather than 8th pick) the representative would either be Michigan or Wisconsin. That would be a home run opponent for our league champ.
2. CUSA strikes a deal -- There are plenty of bowls that are located in the south and would be better than our current setup. One possibility off the top of my head is the Music City Bowl. Nashville makes sense geographically for CUSA to play an SEC team (Texas A/M is the SEC rep this year at 8-4). I would propose giving the ACC our annual slot in the Miami Beach Bowl as compensation so they can send a 6-6 team there to get a win rather than getting waxed by an SEC team.
3. The playoffs expand -- This is the dreaming scenario where the playoffs suddenly boom to 16 teams and all 10 conference champs get a place at the table. While I know this will never happen (especially as leagues are currently constructed) it is fun to think about.
1. The Heart of Dallas Bowl gets moved up the Big10 bowl order -- With some incentivizing the HOD bowl moves up 2-3 spots in rank and the CUSA champ gets to play an 8 or 9 win team from a P5 league. For example, if the HOD bowl had the fifth pick of Big10 teams this year (rather than 8th pick) the representative would either be Michigan or Wisconsin. That would be a home run opponent for our league champ.
2. CUSA strikes a deal -- There are plenty of bowls that are located in the south and would be better than our current setup. One possibility off the top of my head is the Music City Bowl. Nashville makes sense geographically for CUSA to play an SEC team (Texas A/M is the SEC rep this year at 8-4). I would propose giving the ACC our annual slot in the Miami Beach Bowl as compensation so they can send a 6-6 team there to get a win rather than getting waxed by an SEC team.
3. The playoffs expand -- This is the dreaming scenario where the playoffs suddenly boom to 16 teams and all 10 conference champs get a place at the table. While I know this will never happen (especially as leagues are currently constructed) it is fun to think about.
yes, yes they did... but it doesn't count because they were tired at the end.....................
Do we rotate out of the Miami Beach Bowl like we did this year, though?
You think your first scenario is reasonable? Do you know what bowl the B1G has its 5th place team going to?
The Outback Bowl (Wisconsin)
It is the most realistic of the possible ways we get our champ into a better game. Would take a lot of money and negotiating, but at least within the realm of rational thought compared to the alternatives.
It is the most realistic of the possible ways we get our champ into a better game. Would take a lot of money and negotiating, but at least within the realm of rational thought compared to the alternatives.
It is WVU, right? I mean, the modern Drunkerson WVU has so many uniforms, besides the faux-Michigan ones, right? Surely they are the team in blue and chicken yellow playing down in Boca, right? What is with that "Toledo" across the chest? Probably some Nike thing. right?
Surely, a MAC school could not be beating a team from the AMAZING SUPER CONFERNCE OF WORLD BEATING MEGATEAMS right?
But wait, yes. It is Toledo. From the lowly MAC. Beating the next THE AMERICAN!!!! team up.
Another day, another assream for the AAC. Amazing.
What a conference!!!!
And what a crowd. I believe all 156 Temple fans are there!!!!!
A non-thing. Glad we did not spend millions we don't have to make a lateral move to this nothing conference.
Surely, a MAC school could not be beating a team from the AMAZING SUPER CONFERNCE OF WORLD BEATING MEGATEAMS right?
But wait, yes. It is Toledo. From the lowly MAC. Beating the next THE AMERICAN!!!! team up.
Another day, another assream for the AAC. Amazing.
What a conference!!!!
And what a crowd. I believe all 156 Temple fans are there!!!!!
A non-thing. Glad we did not spend millions we don't have to make a lateral move to this nothing conference.
lol, why would b10 or the acc do that? what's in it for them?
i'm sure michigan or wisconsin would much rather go freeze their ass off against a cusa team in dallas instead of playing in well respected new year day bowls...
the music city bowl payout is $3.5m, the miami beach bowl payout is around $1m. plus, the miami beach bowl we have to share with the aac, so there would be more to that equation.
I agree. Nothing so overhyped and underperforming since New Coke (and New Marco with the long tail and claws).
in my perfect world we could combine the payout from all but 2 of our bowl games and make 1 bowl with a big payout (3 total). that is what attracts the teams. honestly, this league should not have more than 3 bowl games. if you can't finish in the top 3 of CUSA you do NOT deserve a friggin bowl game..........
We don't need six but three seems a bit short. MU, USM, La Tech and WKU all deserve to be playing in a bowl game.
How qucikly you guys forget the bad ole days of the MAC when you had to win the conference to go to a contrived bowl game in frozen Pontiac, Michigan. Do away with bowl games? Why? ESPN (which owns most of the minor bowls outright) is willing to pay for and show these things. If you don't want to watch, change the channel.
If they did away with, say, the 10 bottom bowl games, that means there are going to be years we are going to have a winning record and get left out. IMHO, it DOES NOT mean that the remaining G5 teams are going to get in a better bowl.
If they did away with, say, the 10 bottom bowl games, that means there are going to be years we are going to have a winning record and get left out. IMHO, it DOES NOT mean that the remaining G5 teams are going to get in a better bowl.
i'm ok with 4.... but 6? come on.... the 6th place CUSA team deserves jack shit... let alone a bowl game...
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