Possibly more teams on the move
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I live in Greenville sc word on the street is they just made a phone call and nothing really more. Just doing their due diligence
Let’s just have one conference. The SEC. Put every team in it and make everyone happy.
An NCAA split will be on the horizon.
there is no doubt about that. That was a foregone conclusion when the P5 schools received autonomy a few years ago. That is why the NCAA does NOT have a FBS national championship. They do in every other sport and every other division
Wonder how long the college basketball powers start some sort of posturing for more money? Do they split from the NCAA and form their own league, like football; or do they stand pat with the NCAA and just ask for more money?
- The ACC TV contract runs through the 2036 football season. No team can change conferences until 2037.
- It only take four votes of the current 14 members to defeat a candidate. Kentucky, South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida have a pact to always vote against any candidate from any of their states, AKA Louisville, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, or Miami.
Typical barstool.
- It only take four votes of the current 14 members to defeat a candidate. Kentucky, South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida have a pact to always vote against any candidate from any of their states, AKA Louisville, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, or Miami.
Typical barstool.
Not will be on the horizon but “is” on the horizon and long overdue.
This just in: The Harlem Globetrotters in talks to move to the SEC in all sports; Judy McLeod expected to announce the Washington Generals will join C-USA's East Division in time for the 2022-23 season.
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See WVU, Pitt, Maryland, and most recently OU and Texas. There are buyout clauses and then there are lawsuits that will renegotiate said buyouts. If a team wants out bad enough they'll get out.
All of those were at the end of a TV contract. The ACC contract expires after 2036. At which time there is unlikely to be TV as we know it today anyway. The remaining ACC programs are big outfits with GOOD lawyers. Short of paying 99% of their SEC revenues to the rest of the ACC for a decade or more as a buy out, Clemson and FSU are in the ACC for another decade and a half.
Who has the ACC TV contract? Hmmmm....
Agreed, ESPN has now become the governing body for college football.
BINGO! The same people that are orchestrating this whole thing.
Say it louder for Sam
I doubt they'll be the only one. Imagine Amazon getting in on this, their bankroll exceeds several others. They've sort of delved into it with NFL football and other pro sports, if they rrally tried, they could make a case for themselves.
lol the news of wvu is from a single twitter account, a troll account that even wvu fans regarded as a fraud.
I will say the only plausible one is Kansas.
Last time I checked, there are two parties to a contract.
The remaining ACC members would just let Clemson and FSU leave, event though they have a contract through 2036, because….
They can absolutely change conferences. They just can't change before 2037 without penalty. They just need to determine whether or not they think that penalties that would be imposed are worth an early departure. That said, other than more media revenue (which I'm sure they would like to have but probably don't really need) I don't see any notable advantage for Clemson to switch to the SEC that I can see.
From a marketing perspective, now that Oklahoma is joining the SEC, Clemson are well positioned as the only perennial candidates for the "best team in the country" designation (along with Ohio State and an annually overhyped Notre Dame) outside of the SEC". That's a PR, marketing and recruiting gold mine that even transcends football and has a halo effect on their other sports if it's played well.
Currently, they have a much easier path to the CFB playoff each year without having to bang heads with SEC opponents every week (also a marketing, PR and recruiting gold mine). 12-0 regular season record, ACC champs and a CFB Playoff finalist every year is a much more valuable designation than 10-2 regular season, SEC champion and CFB Playoff Semifinalist is once every three years.
Lastly, they have to be the dominant force of influence in the ACC with all decisions currently. They would be just another player in the SEC, with no more clout than Alabama, LSU, Georgia and not much more than TX A&M, Auburn, Florida, Oklahoma.
If Clemson and FSU they will get out. And seeing how ESPN is pulling these strings and they're the one holding the contract they can do whatever they want. Buyouts will be paid, but stop acting like any of these schools are stuck. I mean maybe the bottom end P5s are, but the top schools and do as they darn well please. If you have trouble believing that then you have been under a rock the last 10 years.
Of this move, McCleod was heard to say, "The Generals are a well established program with international name recognition. We're excited to add them to our conference and hope to leverage their influence to schedule our annual C-USA basketball tournament on the deck of an aircraft carrier with a captive population of 5000 people, starting in 2023"
But ESPN is owned by Disney. Don't blame them. Blame that f@#*ing mouse! 😂
That’s not what anyone is saying, Samantha. Stop using straw men. Your blanket statement was extremely short-sighted and will most assuredly, eventually, be shown to be wrong.
Contract disputes are a normal way of life.
Plot Twist.
I keep reading about how bad the ACC's TV deal is. What if ESPN who's playing a big role in this tells the remainder of the ACC that they will rework their contract for a more lucrative deal if they let Clemson and FSU you go.
Or what if ESPN exercises some opt out clause and just kills the deal all together. Didn't they just recently do that to a conference where they opted out and reduced the terms of the deal?
I keep reading about how bad the ACC's TV deal is. What if ESPN who's playing a big role in this tells the remainder of the ACC that they will rework their contract for a more lucrative deal if they let Clemson and FSU you go.
Or what if ESPN exercises some opt out clause and just kills the deal all together. Didn't they just recently do that to a conference where they opted out and reduced the terms of the deal?
We KNOW what the penalty is. 100% of Clemson’s and FSU’s home games BELONG to the ACC in TV terms. 100%. So, yes, Clemson could leave the ACC tomorrow. And, for the next 15 years, every cent received for a game it plays is payable to the Atlantic Coast Conference.
Thus, short of ESPN agreeing to pay the ACC the same money it is already obligated to pay, without Clemson or FSU in the league, and then paying the SEC yet more money because Clemson and FSU are in it now, there is ZERO incentive for the remaining ACC members to agree to anything.
Which is why this is typical of barstool and all these other talking head websites, which are often little more than some lonely 20-something in his mom’s basement coming up with relegation ideas that show a fundamental lack of knowledge of how business works.
Everything you just said was said in regards to the Big East departures, the Big XII departures, both CUSA exoduses, and when Maryland changed conferences. What happened then? Oh that's right. The teams moved in spite of all the contracts and penalties. In several cases the penalties were renegotiated down.
* Kansas to Big 10 is imminent
*West Virginia in official talks w/ACC
* Louisiana Tech & Louisiana to Big 12
* FSU & Clemson officials contacted SEC about joining league
* AAC will raid Big 12
Kansas to Big 10. Is an AAU member. Right at 3M population. 31st in income. As I understand the Big 10 network contract, this obligates everyone in the Kansas City TV market to pay the far higher in state rate, even those in Missouri. But a crap football team and a cheating probation bound (possibly the last team to ever be on NCAA probation) basketball team.
WVU to ACC. As outlined in another thread, laughable.
LTU and ULL to Big 12. After LSU suck 99.9% of the college football oxygen out of Louisiana, the FOUR other I-A and FIVE I-AA teams fight for the remaking 1%, in a poor state (48th) with pro football and basketball, and less than 5M people. Still, the buyout is $7M. Enjoy.
FSU-CU. Discussed. And BTW, no analogy to the instances Bleeds mentions, as all of those occurred at the end of a media deal, which is why the ACC members were super smart in tying up its top teams in a long term contract, thus preventing such moves.
AAC - Big 12. So is #3 true, or is #5 true? Really cannot be both. As has been reported, ESPN wants WVU and Iowa State in the AAC, which leaves the rest of the Little Leftovers needing something else. I would think the MWC makes more sense for the Texas Leftovers, really.
*West Virginia in official talks w/ACC
* Louisiana Tech & Louisiana to Big 12
* FSU & Clemson officials contacted SEC about joining league
* AAC will raid Big 12
Kansas to Big 10. Is an AAU member. Right at 3M population. 31st in income. As I understand the Big 10 network contract, this obligates everyone in the Kansas City TV market to pay the far higher in state rate, even those in Missouri. But a crap football team and a cheating probation bound (possibly the last team to ever be on NCAA probation) basketball team.
WVU to ACC. As outlined in another thread, laughable.
LTU and ULL to Big 12. After LSU suck 99.9% of the college football oxygen out of Louisiana, the FOUR other I-A and FIVE I-AA teams fight for the remaking 1%, in a poor state (48th) with pro football and basketball, and less than 5M people. Still, the buyout is $7M. Enjoy.
FSU-CU. Discussed. And BTW, no analogy to the instances Bleeds mentions, as all of those occurred at the end of a media deal, which is why the ACC members were super smart in tying up its top teams in a long term contract, thus preventing such moves.
AAC - Big 12. So is #3 true, or is #5 true? Really cannot be both. As has been reported, ESPN wants WVU and Iowa State in the AAC, which leaves the rest of the Little Leftovers needing something else. I would think the MWC makes more sense for the Texas Leftovers, really.
Wayne, Cabell and SV in talks with CUSA…Facebook rights guaranteed coverage
Hell, some penalties were partly paid for by the new conference. Didn't the Big 12 withold some of wvu's TV money for like 2 years to cover their exit fees/entry fees?
WVU’s exit fee from the Leastleftovers was supposed to be $5M, but required a 26 month notice. Ollie “Everything I Touch Turns To S***” Luck just quit without notice and got sued. Case settled for $20M, of which the Big 12 paid $9M, making it back on TV money. WVU athletics actually paid the $5M it originally owed, and “borrowed” the rest from its endowment and from the state treasury (you and me taxpayer). There is no record that any of the $6M was ever paid back.
Another accomplishment for Ollie to add to his lifetime of failure. Paying $20M to join a conference that ceases to exist within 12 years and end up right where they started, the AAC being the successor to the old Leastleftovers.
Every word is true.
I get it. You really want “your” (same words as on you DL, no actual relationship) school to be something other than it is. You think if you just repeat stuff over and over, it will somehow make it true. And, of course, you are on the Marshall board because of you fixation upon Marshall, the alma mater of your betters.
That's not how it happened. The Big East settlement was $22.5 million. The WVU athletic department had already paid $2.5 million before the case was settled. WVU borrowed the remaining $20M from the WVU Foundation. Taxpayer money was never involved. Never. The day after WVU officially joined the Big 12, the conference paid off the entire $20M loan to the WVU Foundation. WVU agreed to pay back half of that money to the Big 12. The Big 12 withheld $2M of WVU's TV money each of the next 5 years. All debts were paid off at the beginning of WVU's 6th year in the Big 12.
If I were an eerdiot fan, I'd be hoping the B1G takes a couple of the blue bloods from the ACC to insure my inclusion in the latter.
