POTUS to Ban Transgender Troops Shortly
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Why does anyone care whether or not a soldier is transgender? Didn’t just yesterday one of you say we needed to reduce the long list of why people can’t be soldiers?
How does a transgender serve in an infantry unit? Tank unit?special operations unit? nuclear sub?
How does it not effect the readiness of those units?
because they're likely weak minded. you want some weak minded schlep fighting along side of you in a life/death situation? i sure as hell wouldn't.
Tell us how someone taking transgender transitional medicine can go to the field or battlefield and not effect the unit?
Tell us how you do mental welfare checks and they do not effect the unit?
It is hard to believe there are people out there who don't understand or forget what the military is. It is about being a lethal killing machine to protect the interests of the USA.
Tell us how you do mental welfare checks and they do not effect the unit?
It is hard to believe there are people out there who don't understand or forget what the military is. It is about being a lethal killing machine to protect the interests of the USA.
Probably because up until 10 minutes ago, it was considered a mental health disorder. I'm fine with them serving on the support side, but not in a combat unit. Do we really want persons with known, active mental health issues serving in combat units? And, yes, I realize there are likely others with mental health issues currently serving, but they shouldn't be in combat units either.
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And that pink hair and feathers always give away your battlefield positions.
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Because many of them use the military to pay for their transition. After their transition they are non deployable. There is no benefit in letting a pre transition transgender in to the service.
I’ve never laughed more at a thread. I’m not sure some of you have a good understanding of what transgender even means.
And transition is impossible. Why should taxpayers be on the hook for surgeries where the intended outcomes are impossible?
So, how does a transgender fit in an infantry unit? How do they help kill a Chinese company in close quarters combat.
that is what I care about. Not the woke bullshit.
someone that thinks they're something other than the sex they were born with, i.e. fukt in the head.
Pretending to be something you aren’t and trying to force others to pretend too.
Or
Totally fked in the head.
Yeah, but what YOU don't know is that ALL transgenders are in the process of having surgeries. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Let's not get crazy, now. A certain level is necessary
Only if it fits the liberal narrative. The fact that he insists he's "middle of the road" is laughable, at best. It's akin to GK trying to claim the same thing on here years ago.
It's funny, the other side can't even give a definition of what a woman is....
Transgender is a person that is mentally ill, similar to a child that likes to play make believe. Unfortunately, we have enablers that instead of redirecting or getting them help they don't want to "hurt feelings" instead encourages them of their warped beliefs.
We need more interactions like Robert's dad had with him in Step Brothers
Yep. Supply lines get thin and we have to transport hormones instead of bullets.
It’s really a sexual fetish that they are trying to force everyone into obliging
Not that I owe you an explanation but I was working, then I went to the gym, then I spent a few hours hanging with my wife.
Second, if I responded to even one of the questions in this thread it would just set off a firestorm of even more misguided posts and questions, none of which you really want an answer to.
Let’s call it what it is. On this topic, you all think I am an idiot and in return I think all of you are gullible and ignorant. In reading this thread, I got my answer and it’s clear to me that neither of us is going to change one another’s minds.
If you can explain to us how transgenders will make a combat unit more effective in destorying the enemy in close combat, we are willing to listen.
Frankly, I am too old to learn Mandarin so I want the most effective and lethal fighting force out there.
One of the ways to create effective and lethal fighting forces is to have large numbers of soldiers. You're plan involves reducing that number, so as usual, you're an idiot.
You are qualifying your question by using the term "combat unit" to attempt to force me into adjusting my response. It doesn't work that way. There are more non-combat positions than there are combat in the military. Amongst the combat positions, only a portion require the brute strength and athleticism of a Special Forces unit or foot soldier.
Reading this thread, a couple of points.
- The transcending and guiding principle for America is that we are each judged on our own merits as individuals.
- The group on this board has thrown every transgender (and for that matter, every soldier) under one broad umbrella and, are attempting to judge them as one.
- Transgenders are not automatically in combat positions or units.
- Transgenders have been in the military for a decade and every study shows there is no variance in their performance as compared to a non-transgender soldier.
- You often don't even know who is transgender and who isn't.
- All transgenders are not gay or feminine. Some are but not all.
- Not transgender, but one of my buddies is a truck driving, flannel wearing, bearded, gay man but I bet not a single one of you would realize he's married to a man.
- Being transgender doesn't necessarily just mean you are woman that has suddenly decided to become a man. In some cases, yes but that's only a portion.
- Identifying as being transgender and being born transgender is not the same.
- Being born transgender is not a mental health issue or a sexual choice. People are sometimes born with both sex organs.
- If Trump came out tomorrow and said he welcomed transgenders into the military, you would support him. Don't lie to me or yourself.
Personally, I prefer to judge people as individuals . . . and as Republicans, I assumed you would too. You are all on here praising elimination of DEI programs, trumpeting about how we should hire the best candidate or accept the most qualified student based on merit alone. Well, if the best or most qualified soldier is transgender, why do you care? Shouldn't they be judged on their own merits rather then being qualified by your insecurities and bias?
If the smartest, fastest, most lethal drone pilot is transgender, I want them, first?
If braces disqualify you from military service then taking cross sex hormones absolutely should disqualify you. It's no different than insulin. Whether you are deployed to the front lines or a cushy dc job
here's a "couple" points:
- people born with both sex organs are not transgender.
- transgenders wouldn't be judged as they are if their choice wasn't rubbed in everybody's face. this is a YUGE reason trump won.
Wrong. Anyone of military age currently was assigned a male or female sex at birth regardless. If there was confusion, parents chose.
Your second bullet is yet another case of blanket stereotyping. There are hundreds of thousands of LGBQT people who quietly go about their daily lives. You just hate the ones you know about.
Your definition of "in your face" means, they aren't in the closet and they do whatever they want without being concerned with your feelings. Like I said in another thread, Christians are constantly out in public preaching their message but you don't see many whining about it.
It's been answered as to why this cant happen. The military simply is not a social experiment project. The military has every right to exclude from service who they deem either incapable or unfit. Get over it.
BS. It's because you cant really give an answer to the actual issues being raised by members on the board that have actually served in the military.
You are right. They do, but being transgender doesn't make you unfit or incapable and not a single person on this forum has provided any type of definitive evidence that they are. There are multiple studies, going back a decade, that show there is no real variance in performance.
The only thing any of you have shown is that you use stereotypes to reinforce your bias and fear of people that aren't like you.
I stand by what I said earlier. It's America. We should be judged as individuals, based on our own merit and performance.
Here, spend the next few hours picking apart an actual case study that took me 15 seconds to find
Does a tranny in an infantry unit effect unit cohesion and unit effectiveness? What if Private Snuffy is spotted in town wearing a dress. Is he mentally stable? What if Private Snuffy goes to his Platoon Leader and says he thinks he is a woman and needs hormone therapy or wants to speak to someone. The Platoon Leader responsible for leading a platoon of 30 men or so now has to deal with this. He is preparingfor a 30 day field exorcise and is responsible for 30 men equipment, food, logistics, and battle plan.
Here is a broad overview of their role:
A light infantry mission is typically to operate in difficult terrain, using mobility and agility to scout, harass, delay, and disrupt enemy forces by infiltrating behind enemy lines, conducting ambushes, raids, and flanking maneuvers, often in areas where heavier infantry units cannot easily access, effectively "softening up" the enemy before a main force engagement; essentially acting as a flexible, highly mobile force capable of operating in diverse environments with limited logistical needs.
Now the platoon leader has to report this to his Company Commander who is responsible for 120 men. Then, his company commander has to report this up to the battalion commander who is responsible for 400 men plus.
Now the platoon has lost a man(woman). they are short. the company has lost a man(woman) and is short. the commanders valuable time is now dealing with this.
Oh now wait, we have to take time to do DEI training.
Can't you see how this can steamroll and effects the fighting force?
Now tell me are the Chinese dealing with this? Like it or not, our country is headed on a collision course with another 300 lb gorilla. Right now we would get our ass kicked. We are playing catch up and we have no time for this shit unless you want to see us lose.
Again, you are conditioning your responses based on speculation and situation. There are many conditions that could affect moral but you are singling out those related to transgenders in hopes of making your point. I prefer we instead make decisions based on data and facts.
Those examples are dismissed as mere "speculation," because you haven't the slightest clue about military life or how the military operates. I absolutely LOVE how clueless liberals, like you, are so concerned and opinionated about the US Armed Forces, yet never bothered to serve.
Things herdman mentioned are deal breakers. You can't try and force your bullshit ideology into the military without causing a massive ripple effect.
