POTUS to Ban Transgender Troops Shortly

[i am herdman]

Again, you are conditioning your responses based on speculation and situation. There are many conditions that could affect moral but you are singling out those related to transgenders in hopes of making your point. I prefer we instead make decisions based on data and facts.

Mental Illness is a detriment to the unit and mission. They cannot serve and make the unit more effective and it makes the unit less effective. That is a fact. The military is there to protect the nation and destroy our enemies when called to do so It is not there for a feel good circus.

 

[mufan08]

 

[extragreen]

CONS: ALWAYS OBSESSED WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S GENITALS

 

[extragreen]

Mental Illness is a detriment to the unit and mission. They cannot serve and make the unit more effective and it makes the unit less effective. That is a fact. The military is there to protect the nation and destroy our enemies when called to do so It is not there for a feel good circus.

YOU'RE AN IDIOT.

 

[herdftblfan]

Those examples are dismissed as mere "speculation," because you haven't the slightest clue about military life or how the military operates. I absolutely LOVE how clueless liberals, like you, are so concerned and opinionated about the US Armed Forces, yet never bothered to serve.

Things herdman mentioned are deal breakers. You can't try and force your bullshit ideology into the military without causing a massive ripple effect.

I can name three people off the top of my head with a combined military experience greater than any of you that agree with me. Two of them served almost three decades each and one is my older brother.

Treating people as individuals and humans isn’t bullshit ideology. It just means we aren’t so ignorant that we are scared of people not like us.

Like I said, if Trump comes out tomorrow and says “transgender good” every one of you will start hormone treatments that day.

 

[extragreen]

Like I said, if Trump comes out tomorrow and says “transgender good” every one of you will start hormone treatments that day.

Hormone treatments won't help their lobotomies

 

[herdfan429]

I can name three people off the top of my head with a combined military experience greater than any of you that agree with me. Two of them served almost three decades each and one is my older brother.

Treating people as individuals and humans isn’t bullshit ideology. It just means we aren’t so ignorant that we are scared of people not like us.

Like I said, if Trump comes out tomorrow and says “transgender good” every one of you will start hormone treatments that day.

Oh well if your brother says it then I guess the arguments over. And let me ask you this. Why are diabetics disqualified from military service?

 

[mlblack16.]

I can name three people off the top of my head with a combined military experience greater than any of you that agree with me.

Okay, name them.

And no, Reservists or National Guard do not count either, but nice try.

 

[herdftblfan]

Okay, name them.

And no, Reservists or National Guard do not count either, but nice try.

My brother served active duty.

The other two served active duty and then retired from the NG.

Hegseth was in the NG.

 

[herdftblfan]

Oh well if your brother says it then I guess the arguments over. And let me ask you this. Why are diabetics disqualified from military service?

I don’t know. I assume there are clinical concerns.

 

[WV-FAN]

I don’t know. I assume there are clinical concerns.

is a mental health condition a clinical concern? why yes, yes it is.

so, a person with gender dysphoria isn't deployable because they have a mental health condition. that being the case, what's the point of allowing people with a mental health condition in the military? what cause do they serve? or, has it been allowed just to make them feel better and fit in? military and feelings just don't seem to go together.

myeh, pointless conversation at this point. they gone, yore feelings don't matter.

 

[extragreen]

they gone

We will see...

 

[i am herdman]

My brother served active duty.

The other two served active duty and then retired from the NG.

Hegseth was in the NG.

there is no way a person who served in any line unit that sit with a straight face and say transgenders won't hurt the mission or unit.

again, i want to know as an old man taxpayer now how a transgender can serve in a light infantry company and it not effect their mission. Or in a tank unit. Fill in the blank.

I don't give a care if someone is NG, Reserve, or active duty. there is no way that can with full integrity and honor say that it won't effect that unit.

Again, I hate to tell the American buried in the sand public we are headed on a collision course over the next decade with China(along with others) and it ain't gonna be pretty. We have to get back to the military being solely focused on being a fighting machine. Unless you want to being speaking Mandarin you better want the same thing.

Hell, we are not that far off from a draft being considered. The country made the military a shit show and it needs fixed. The upcoming collision course is not going to be oh well the kid from 2 miles down the road who my second cousin knows went to Afghanistan while we all went to football games and enjoyed life. This will involved us all. We will get hit here. So, I want a lethal military. Not a three ring DEI circus so some God Damn bleeding heart liberal can fill good about themselves meanwhile my son and his buddies are getting their ass shot off because of it.

 

[herdftblfan]

is a mental health condition a clinical concern? why yes, yes it is.

so, a person with gender dysphoria isn't deployable because they have a mental health condition. that being the case, what's the point of allowing people with a mental health condition in the military? what cause do they serve? or, has it been allowed just to make them feel better and fit in? military and feelings just don't seem to go together.

myeh, pointless conversation at this point. they gone, yore feelings don't matter.

Let's just agree to disagree.

Gender dysphoria is real in some cases but like I've said multiple times over, not every transgender person suffers from it and in their cases, they don't have a mental health issue.

My whole issue on this entire thread is this group's use of stereotypes and assumptions to characterize both our military and all transgender people. It makes no sense and I think most of you are smarter than that.

 

[herdftblfan]

there is no way a person who served in any line unit that sit with a straight face and say transgenders won't hurt the mission or unit.

again, i want to know as an old man taxpayer now how a transgender can serve in a light infantry company and it not effect their mission. Or in a tank unit. Fill in the blank.

I don't give a care if someone is NG, Reserve, or active duty. there is no way that can with full integrity and honor say that it won't effect that unit.

Again, I hate to tell the American buried in the sand public we are headed on a collision course over the next decade with China(along with others) and it ain't gonna be pretty. We have to get back to the military being solely focused on being a fighting machine. Unless you want to being speaking Mandarin you better want the same thing.

Hell, we are not that far off from a draft being considered. The country made the military a shit show and it needs fixed. The upcoming collision course is not going to be oh well the kid from 2 miles down the road who my second cousin knows went to Afghanistan while we all went to football games and enjoyed life. This will involved us all. We will get hit here. So, I want a lethal military. Not a three ring DEI circus so some God Damn bleeding heart liberal can fill good about themselves meanwhile my son and his buddies are getting their ass shot off because of it.

Again, you are still characterizing your comments for specific scenarios that support your bias.

Explain to me how a desk clerk, cook, drone pilot, HR counselor, on and on can't function just fine as a transgender person. And tell me how we can't function when many times, other soldiers don't even know a person is transgender.

You have a predisposed opinion of what and who transgender people are but in truth, you only know the stereotypes.

 

[herdfan429]

I don’t know. I assume there are clinical concerns.

But no clinical concerns for someone that thinks they are the opposite gender needing hormone replacement medications?

 

[WV-FAN]

finally figured out why @herdftblfan is so upset over trannies getting banned from the military, they/(s)he'll now have to pay for his/her/their own surgery.

 

[SBAP74]

How in the hell has it become normal to say there is nothing wrong mentally with a person who claims to be another gender?

They are claiming to be something they clearly aren’t. If that’s not mental illness idk what is.

 

[mufan08]

How in the hell has it become normal to say there is nothing wrong mentally with a person who claims to be another gender?

They are claiming to be something they clearly aren’t. If that’s not mental illness idk what is.

Enablers and don't want to hurt feelings

 

[SBAP74]

Look at that bald freak show that Biden had. Didn’t that dip shit steal luggage from an airport?

Enablers and don't want to hurt feelings

exactly. Fvck your feelings…especially when it comes to the military and national security

What kind of soldier wants to be in combat while depending on a tranny to follow the plan. Hell they can’t follow the gender god gave them.

Thank god for Trump

 

[herdftblfan]

But no clinical concerns for someone that thinks they are the opposite gender needing hormone replacement medications?

Where did you read where I said that?

 

[herdfan429]

Y

Where did you read where I said that?

Your Argument has been that transgender are more than capable to perform the mission. I know plenty of diabetics that are more than capable of doing the same. You said there must be something clinical related to deny diabetics entry. So is your argument that there is nothing wrong clinically with someone needing hormones because they feel like a woman.

 

[WVUSerg]

Y

Your Argument has been that transgender are more than capable to perform the mission. I know plenty of diabetics that are more than capable of doing the same. You said there must be something clinical related to deny diabetics entry. So is your argument that there is nothing wrong clinically with someone needing hormones because they feel like a woman.

 

[herdftblfan]

Y

Your Argument has been that transgender are more than capable to perform the mission. I know plenty of diabetics that are more than capable of doing the same. You said there must be something clinical related to deny diabetics entry. So is your argument that there is nothing wrong clinically with someone needing hormones because they feel like a woman.

My argument has been that you are categorizing all transgender people under a single, broad umbrella, that you should instead look at them as individuals and judge them based on their own merits. Some transgender people are perfectly capable. Some are not.

Rather than using our opinions that come with personal bias, we should make decisions based on facts, data, and metrics. There are multiple case studies as well as a decade of history that agree with the above assertion.

And if a diabetic can function normally and be successful in the military given the proper circumstances and medications, I have no issue with them serving. Maybe they make great janitors but no dieticians., for example.

 

[raleighherdfan]

And if a diabetic can function normally and be successful in the military given the proper circumstances and medications, I have no issue with them serving. Maybe they make great janitors but no dieticians., for example.

That's not the military's job to take the time and figure that out. There job is to be ready and fit to break things and kill people. Not take the time to figure out gender dysphoria issues like Jim wanting to be Jane. If you want to be a fat janitor, dont go into the military.

 

[extragreen]

meanwhile my son and his buddies are getting their ass shot off because of it.

They should have made better decisions.

 

[raleighherdfan]

We should be judged as individuals, based on our own merit and performance.

You linked me to a study that points cisgender and transgender people have eating disorders........Not a surprise. Many are already screwed up in the head; add eating disorders to the list.

This goes directly to the point that supports most opinions here. It completely undercuts your argument that they are "normal". They have comorbidities that make their fitness to the military largely circumspect. The study further labels them a "highly vulnerable group"...why are they "highly vulnerable" if they dont need special care and attention? Time to move on. Take your social experiment somewhere else. The military isn't the place for it.

 

[extragreen]

You linked me to a study that points cisgender and transgender people have eating disorders........Not a surprise. Many are already screwed up in the head; add eating disorders to the list.

This goes directly to the point that supports most opinions here. It completely undercuts your argument that they are "normal". They have comorbidities that make their fitness to the military largely circumspect. The study further labels them a "highly vulnerable group"...why are they "highly vulnerable" if they dont need special care and attention? Time to move on. Take your social experiment somewhere else. The military isn't the place for it.

If the are willing to take Snot's son, anyone should qualify.

 

[herdftblfan]

That's not the military's job to take the time and figure that out. There job is to be ready and fit to break things and kill people. Not take the time to figure out gender dysphoria issues like Jim wanting to be Jane. If you want to be a fat janitor, dont go into the military.

Well, it is the military's job to put soldiers in the right place to be successful based on who they are and their individual attributes. Otherwise, they wouldn't take the ASVAB or the flight test and they would all be pilots or Seals.

Not to mention, I didn't say it was the military's job. I said if a diabetic can function safely and effectively, I don't have an issue with them serving.

Their only job isn't to break things, or kill people. That's only a percentage of the military.

 

[herdfan429]

My argument has been that you are categorizing all transgender people under a single, broad umbrella, that you should instead look at them as individuals and judge them based on their own merits. Some transgender people are perfectly capable. Some are not.

Rather than using our opinions that come with personal bias, we should make decisions based on facts, data, and metrics. There are multiple case studies as well as a decade of history that agree with the above assertion.

And if a diabetic can function normally and be successful in the military given the proper circumstances and medications, I have no issue with them serving. Maybe they make great janitors but no dieticians., for example.

The "and medication" statement is the reason. At the end of the day, the job of the military is to be deployed and protect our nation if they can't do that whether it be through medication or mental illness or there's a chance that they can't do that then they will be denied. The same thing is true with Mental illness and transgender.

 

[i am herdman]

My argument has been that you are categorizing all transgender people under a single, broad umbrella, that you should instead look at them as individuals and judge them based on their own merits. Some transgender people are perfectly capable. Some are not.

Rather than using our opinions that come with personal bias, we should make decisions based on facts, data, and metrics. There are multiple case studies as well as a decade of history that agree with the above assertion.

And if a diabetic can function normally and be successful in the military given the proper circumstances and medications, I have no issue with them serving. Maybe they make great janitors but no dieticians., for example.

Ugggh you realize that everybody is a war fighter at the end of the day. i've never heard of a janitor in the military. How the hell do you take insulin down range?

 

[i am herdman]

Well, it is the military's job to put soldiers in the right place to be successful based on who they are and their individual attributes. Otherwise, they wouldn't take the ASVAB or the flight test and they would all be pilots or Seals.

Not to mention, I didn't say it was the military's job. I said if a diabetic can function safely and effectively, I don't have an issue with them serving.

Their only job isn't to break things, or kill people. That's only a percentage of the military.

The entire military's job is to break things and kill people. What planet do you live on? if the82nd Airborne mobilizes a brigade combat team there are infantry, artillery, mp's suopply. logistics, etc that all go with it. They all go to where they are going. Let's say Somalia as an example. They take all that shit with them. Yes, the infantry and others go kick doors but the others are living on a base camp somwhere in Somalia. hell, they can jump in the whole division including the supply people. At the end of the day they all carry a rifle and can come under attack. How the hell do you remotely do what yoiu want to do.

Again, we need a fighting machine not a circus. This isn't baskin and robbins.

 

[raleighherdfan]

Their only job isn't to break things, or kill people. That's only a percentage of the military.

😂 😂 😂

 

[i am herdman]

😂 😂 😂

He wrote one of the dumbest things i have ever seen on here and there has been some dumb shit written.

 

[herdftblfan]

The "and medication" statement is the reason. At the end of the day, the job of the military is to be deployed and protect our nation if they can't do that whether it be through medication or mental illness or there's a chance that they can't do that then they will be denied. The same thing is true with Mental illness and transgender.

Again, I said I don't have an issue with it. I didn't say the military allowed it.

Re. transgender, most transgender people don't take any medication at all and have no mental health issues.

 

[herdftblfan]

He wrote one of the dumbest things i have ever seen on here and there has been some dumb shit written.

Is it? Why is the military involved with natural disaster relief, border security, humanitarian operations, marine engineering, peacekeeping operations, etc.

Why does the military actively recruit for non-combat military positions like Lab Techs, Civil Engineers, IT Analysts, Admins, Vets, Pharmacy Techs, etc.?

God forbid a transgender person give me my penicillin, fix my WIFI network, or shoe my horse.

 

[raleighherdfan]

Re. transgender, most transgender people don't take any medication at all

About 1 out of 2 transgenders take some type of hormone therapy according to 2015 data/survey. I would imagine with all the mental illness increases the last couple of years, that number is higher.

 

[herdfan429]

Again, I said I don't have an issue with it. I didn't say the military allowed it.

Re. transgender, most transgender people don't take any medication at all and have no mental health issues.

Gender dysphoria isn't a mental health issue? Tell that to the dsm -5

 

[raleighherdfan]

The DSM 5 is clearly a personally biased opinionated resource of facts and data that discriminates against perfectly healthy, mentally stable people……🤣🤣

 

[WVUSerg]

Again, I said I don't have an issue with it. I didn't say the military allowed it.

Re. transgender, most transgender people don't take any medication at all and have no mental health issues.

So if I believe that I am a unicorn that is not a metal illness?