reason #59760468098 there needs to be a cfb split
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I hate the insanity of this crap, and I hate that I agree with you completely. There is a group of schools within the P5 that pretty much prints money, buys recruits, and has no worry or thought of those not in that circle. And schools like Marshall, WVU, Kansas State, Washington State, etc etc etc, have to see this and make a change.
My assessment is they should call the P5 the Pro5 conference , go ahead and pay the kids a full salary starting at a minimum of 100k per player and capped at 500k and become another true professional league. Of course the SEC which ROLLED nearly every opponent in its bowls sans an overrated Florida and a surging Meechegan
probably would be cutting their payroll but who really cares. It's about winning. Of course since they're pro they should play on Sunday, and weekday games on Tuesday and Thursday too.
Then rename the G5 the C5, that is the College 5, allow NO payments, only scholarships, and allow the Ivy to give scholarships and create a true college football league that plays on Saturdays only with no mid week games, and create a true scholastic league. Can you imagine the leverage the IVY would get automatically by creating a league where their scholarships are exchanged for athletes. Oh wait, isn't that the point of college football, we give you a valued education for playing the sport you love?
No it's not, it's not about building young men and women, it's about winning at all costs, and exclusion of anyone that threatens your turf, and making certain you KEEP those valued fiscal barriers as wide as possible by rolling the cash from TV into a certain few schools that have more resources from the start. It's pretty sickening when you start to think of people like Ollie Luck who would do anything to keep Marshall down in any way and left his school upon his stepping stone departure on NCAA PROBATION is now the criminal making the rules for those P5 schools and yes, Marshall too. Where's the finnergan I am nauseous!
probably would be cutting their payroll but who really cares. It's about winning. Of course since they're pro they should play on Sunday, and weekday games on Tuesday and Thursday too.
Then rename the G5 the C5, that is the College 5, allow NO payments, only scholarships, and allow the Ivy to give scholarships and create a true college football league that plays on Saturdays only with no mid week games, and create a true scholastic league. Can you imagine the leverage the IVY would get automatically by creating a league where their scholarships are exchanged for athletes. Oh wait, isn't that the point of college football, we give you a valued education for playing the sport you love?
No it's not, it's not about building young men and women, it's about winning at all costs, and exclusion of anyone that threatens your turf, and making certain you KEEP those valued fiscal barriers as wide as possible by rolling the cash from TV into a certain few schools that have more resources from the start. It's pretty sickening when you start to think of people like Ollie Luck who would do anything to keep Marshall down in any way and left his school upon his stepping stone departure on NCAA PROBATION is now the criminal making the rules for those P5 schools and yes, Marshall too. Where's the finnergan I am nauseous!
Lumping Marshall in with WVU, K State and Washington State? WVU is finding it's footing within the Big 12 but we are competing fine. The entire reason why College Football is so popular is the big fan bases, traditional powers and rivalry's. So careful what you wish for about fixing this "broken" system.
I guess the General Bobby Knight said it best when asked why he loathed the NCAA so much , he responded, " if the NCAA cares about the student athlete when why am I tipping off tonight on a Wednesday at 9pm when my players should be studying?"
Thus the reason we have 600k strength coaches and a criminal in the front office of the NCAA.
I agree 429, either create divisions and share the TV money 100% evenly or create a true pro league that's profit based. If you gave every G5 the exact amount Wake Forest is getting this year we would all say yup, we goot with that!!!
Thus the reason we have 600k strength coaches and a criminal in the front office of the NCAA.
I agree 429, either create divisions and share the TV money 100% evenly or create a true pro league that's profit based. If you gave every G5 the exact amount Wake Forest is getting this year we would all say yup, we goot with that!!!
they're competing just fine in the b12, even though since they joined the b12:
1. oklahoma 28-8
2. baylor 26-10
3. k state 23-13
4. okie state 23-13
5. texas 21-15
6. tcu 21-15
7. wvu 15-21
8. texas tech 14-22
9. iowa state 7-29
10. kansas 2-34
0 top half of the conference finishes.
yeah, competing just fine.
Beating a 6-6 Arizona State must mean a whole lot more than I was aware of. But in WVU fan logic, any win against a team without a losing record counts for 2, and any win in the NotSoBig12 (even though it's actually 10) counts as 3 wins.
Beating the other bottom half teams and occasionally getting a win against the established means you've made it. I guess.
I didn't say I was happy with how we have done so far in the Big12. This is a good conference but we certainly aren't getting murdered either. As a program, we are right now just a few improvements away from being on Ok State's level. And it will take time to build a roster that can sustain itself over a year. Our first year in the Big 12 was a great example. Started out fantastic. And with Big East depth, we tanked the 2nd half of the year.
This year we had injuries and were still able to play well during the 2nd half of the season. That showed depth.
This year we had injuries and were still able to play well during the 2nd half of the season. That showed depth.
Take out west vas first season before they figured out "the genius" on October 12th at TT and they are just above Kansas.
Yes I'd lump us in with K State we've played them 3 times, BEAT them at KState when they were 5th in the nation. Eerbillys have you even beat them yet?
Still I'm happy with you all in the B12!!!! I love it for you and your fan base and I love Dana Holgerson! That lil bitch is more fun to watch than Chris Rock on a roll about white people! Well maybe not THAT fun, but he is amusing and self absorbed and can't figure out his Meechegan school eerbilly colors.
Hey, here's an idea, let's play a home and home series every year!?!?!!
Go away BG , take your B12 inch cash and enjoy your shove a cactus up my arse at 2 am bowl win over a last place Airizona Mistake.
Love always
TheGreenhouseEffect
Yes I'd lump us in with K State we've played them 3 times, BEAT them at KState when they were 5th in the nation. Eerbillys have you even beat them yet?
Still I'm happy with you all in the B12!!!! I love it for you and your fan base and I love Dana Holgerson! That lil bitch is more fun to watch than Chris Rock on a roll about white people! Well maybe not THAT fun, but he is amusing and self absorbed and can't figure out his Meechegan school eerbilly colors.
Hey, here's an idea, let's play a home and home series every year!?!?!!
Go away BG , take your B12 inch cash and enjoy your shove a cactus up my arse at 2 am bowl win over a last place Airizona Mistake.
Love always
TheGreenhouseEffect
How many years have you been saying you just need time to bulid a roster at moral victory university?
You're deluding yourself if you think WVU is anywhere near OK State level. Hell, not even at Texas Tech level. The bottom of the conference is Kansas, Iowa State, WVU and Texas Tech. Got work to do until you even reach Kansas State level.
First of all, this was our 4th season in the Big 12. Not 5th...
Nowhere near Ok State? Considering we are 2-2 vs them in Big 12 play. We have blown them out twice and lost in OT...
You simple f*ck. Beating a team twice, and comparing to them historically and perceptually are two very different things. Are you knew to this whole college football thing, or do you only consider the past decade of history? Simply having Barry Sanders as an alum puts them head and shoulders above your little New Jersey university.
and yet they've finished top three in the b12 three of the four years you've been conference mates. they've had two 10 win seasons in that time. they've gone to two majors bowls in that time. wvu on the other hand...
Dear Gold-n-blue = Green,
I was replying to Alphasig's post about building a roster...I believe the Drunkerson has been there for 5 seasons, trying to build a roster, and I am ALL for giving him an additional 5 years.
Even you can't deny that he has taken the Ears from not even being in the BIG 12 all the way up to 7th out of 10 teams. And, his big win over Texas Tech this past season vaulted them to a 1 game bulge over that powerhouse franchise.
Look out world, here come the MIGHTY EARS !!!
I was replying to Alphasig's post about building a roster...I believe the Drunkerson has been there for 5 seasons, trying to build a roster, and I am ALL for giving him an additional 5 years.
Even you can't deny that he has taken the Ears from not even being in the BIG 12 all the way up to 7th out of 10 teams. And, his big win over Texas Tech this past season vaulted them to a 1 game bulge over that powerhouse franchise.
Look out world, here come the MIGHTY EARS !!!
So, which is it going to be? Last four years or historically? In either case, WVU is at least on even terms with Oklahoma State:
Bowl appearances:
WVU: 34 (15-19)
OSU: 26 (16-10)
Major Bowls:
WVU: 6 (3-3)
OSU: 4 (3-1)
Seasons Ranked in Final Poll:
WVU: 19 (6 times Top 10)
OSU: 13 (3 times Top 10)
You cannot use that kind of logic around here. It's not allowed. The only logic accepted on this board is Herd Logic. Here is an example of an equation.
Maryland beats WVU + Marshall beats Maryland = Marshall beats WVU
Even though statistical evidence states WVU has won all 12 meetings in history, since Jesus walked on earth, between the two schools.
You still don't get it. We no longer have a smack board so you have no right to even post on a Marshall fan board. If I ever go to the Morgantown school's board and make comments you don't like, feel free to jump my case. Here , we don't want your opinions or comments. Stay away.
Ok back to the original topic. The crimson tide flew to Phoenix on a FREAKING 747. They just throw money around its ridiculous
The big time schools like Bama, USC, OSU, and FSU truly are just a subdivision of the NFL. There's no way they're doing things above board, and there's no way for smaller name schools to truly compete. Hell, which was the last school, in football, to win its first National title? It's the same old faces, over and over, because it has gotten to the point where only those that can print their own money have a shot.
Throughout history, there have always been football programs who generate and spend more money than others. P5 autonomy won'the change that fact. Texas, Ohio State, Michigan and Oklahoma, etc. will always have more than most others.
However, the divide between the other P5 members and G5 schools like Marshall will continue to grow in the future. This will become more apparent as we move forward.
It doesn't mean that Marshall can't compete moving forward but it faces serious financial decisions in the years ahead.
However, the divide between the other P5 members and G5 schools like Marshall will continue to grow in the future. This will become more apparent as we move forward.
It doesn't mean that Marshall can't compete moving forward but it faces serious financial decisions in the years ahead.
Watching the National Title game, there is absolutely no way Bama is doing things above board. And with stipends coming, it's only going to get FAR worse.
ha ha .... please go back and re due this post and use eer logic. Since all of that occurred in a lesser conference you never would have made it to most of those bowls if you had been playing in the Big 12 all along. Lets try that based on the past 4 years.
wvu in bowls -2
Ok State -4
wvu record 25-26
Ok State 35-17
In the top 25
wvu -0-
Ok State -2
Marshall 1
Did I miss anything?
OSU didn't have the luxury of playing in a mid-major conference from 2005 to 2011...
WVU has been to 3 bowls in the past 4 years (not 2)
WVU is 26-25 in that time (not 25-26)
WVU and OSU are 2-2 head-to-head (1 OSU win was in overtime)
I would certainly give OSU the edge for the past 4 years.
How WVU would have performed in the old Big 8 or Big 12 is pure speculation. I think that rankings in final polls is a pretty fair and relatively unbiased metric for comparing teams over the course of history. In that regard, WVU and OSU are pretty similar (with WVU having a slight edge).
