Saw a Report on Fox that the Obama Camp is Trying to Undermine Trump Presidency
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"Saw it in FOX . . . " was pretty much all that needed to be said.
I read The NY Times article. It was related to the final days of Obamas presidency. During that time, his staff may have left evidence regarding the volume and frequency of Trump's team meeting with Russian officials. That's a far cry from implying his team is still today doing the same. And if they were, maybe it's because there is some legitimacy to all this. Regardless of your affiliation, as a country we should be concerned and asking questions just as the Obama team was.
Why were so many on Trump's team talking with Russia so early and so often and are we just supposed to dismiss the coincidence of the timing compared to the election hacks?
I am not sure how we reached a point in America that it was "a ok" to be buddies with Russians while villanizing Americans but it's not all that cool. Putin is a dictator and a war criminal. We don't need to be friends with him.
Why were so many on Trump's team talking with Russia so early and so often and are we just supposed to dismiss the coincidence of the timing compared to the election hacks?
I am not sure how we reached a point in America that it was "a ok" to be buddies with Russians while villanizing Americans but it's not all that cool. Putin is a dictator and a war criminal. We don't need to be friends with him.
I didn't claim otherwise however it's not a reach because if you look at these leaks you find Obama aids such as Ben Rhodes attached to them. And I don't really care all that much about the leaks and undermining. That's just politics. We don't need to be Cold War enemies either
It came from trumps twitter so it's more than likely not true
I don't care about leaks but I do care about the collusion with Russia - democrat or republican. Legitimate evidence is mounting which is why I believe Trump is trying to direct attention elsewhere.
Two things need separated...one...the possibility of Russia intervening in US politics and any collusion they had with the Trump camp...and two...was the information released from Hillary's emails falsified or not. Since there has been no uprising from the Clinton side about the info being false we must assume that the release of hacked emails were merely the exposure of the truth.
So...from the Trump perspective, if it is discovered that his camp colluded with a foreign country in order to sway the election then that should be viewed as criminal and met with scorn.
However, although the email release was possibly obtained on less than honorable and legal grounds, does that excuse the content? What was discovered about Hillary is a picture of a politician that had painted herself from the brush of virtue and caring for the working class and poor, yet in reality was entrenched firmly within the hold of big business and special interest. She was a lie and just because this lie was exposed by possibly less than virtuous methods, it doesn't excuse what was found.
The more that comes out on this stuff the more that validates the correctness of voting for neither. Yet, with the ideologically inclined, these two points will never be separated in fear that seeing things objectively might give points to the other side and God forbid we concede a point even if the truth is sacrificed to do it.
So...from the Trump perspective, if it is discovered that his camp colluded with a foreign country in order to sway the election then that should be viewed as criminal and met with scorn.
However, although the email release was possibly obtained on less than honorable and legal grounds, does that excuse the content? What was discovered about Hillary is a picture of a politician that had painted herself from the brush of virtue and caring for the working class and poor, yet in reality was entrenched firmly within the hold of big business and special interest. She was a lie and just because this lie was exposed by possibly less than virtuous methods, it doesn't excuse what was found.
The more that comes out on this stuff the more that validates the correctness of voting for neither. Yet, with the ideologically inclined, these two points will never be separated in fear that seeing things objectively might give points to the other side and God forbid we concede a point even if the truth is sacrificed to do it.
the first story came from Mark Levin, then Breitbart, now Trump's twitter. they have copies of two FISA requests to tap Trump's phones. the first was denied. the second was not.
if you don't see a huge problem with a sitting POTUS that campaigned HEAVILY for the other person tapping his phones months before the election......wow
if you don't see a huge problem with a sitting POTUS that campaigned HEAVILY for the other person tapping his phones months before the election......wow
everybody on the planet knows that the Russians interfered in our election. just like they have for the last 60 years. just like they have in every European election for the last 60 years. BUT they did not "hack" voting machines or force Americans to vote one way or the other. they dumped information and ran fake media. at the end of the day Americans voted. and i have yet to hear a single incident of one of the 138,884,643 people that voted casting their ballot based on a fake story that completely changed who they were originally voting for...
Who ordered the tap, who monitored the tap, what date did the warrant expire, and was it kept live after? This has the potential to be Benghazi-like.
That's not the issue at all. The issue is whether or not members of the Trump administration colluded with Russians to make it happen. If so, that is criminal.
Regarding FISA, welcome to six weeks ago. As I said, Trump is just trying to deflect the story.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443768/obama-fisa-trump-wiretap
Everything I see says "Trump accuses Obama of wiretapping" Where is a credible source for this. Even Fox says "Trump accuses Obama" Its all a diversion, like most everything coming from his twitter feed. Has any evidence been presented yet other than Trumps twitter feed or Breitbart?
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No but it doesn't take any evidence the trump trolls accept anything he says as word. That's why trump likes the poorly educated. They are the most easy to influence. Deflection, denial and projection. It's psychology 101 and all the trump trolls fall in line lock stock and barrel. We have a lot of them on this board. Any other republican who speaks out against trump or raises questions are " what's wrong with the GOP". Don't question trump.
It can't lead directly to Obama because a President can't order wiretaps. This does have an IRS 2.0 feel to it though.
I think Obama's administration could be capable of this. I think something went on. Yes
i completely agree about collusion if it happened. as far as the FISA, i didn't hear about it 6 weeks ago and apparently a lot of other people didn't either since it is the top story on everything. you could make the same argument for Jeff Sessions. he met with the Russian ambassador in September. it was only made an issue to "deflect" from Trump's speech that garnered a 62% approval rating this week.
and why is nobody on the "Trump is a Russian Puppet" team talking about the fact that the wire taps and computer monitoring found no ties to the Russians?
Doesn't fit their agenda.
Folks this is bordering on a shadow government that is attempting to undermine the POTUS
Yep that's politics. If you don't want it to be brought up at anytime you don't give them the ammunition
The reason they don't believe honest Obama would do something like this is because they assumed Hillary would win the election in a landslide. Unfortunately, it turned out to be a mudslide.
The shit that Obama and several DOJ's pulled under his watch were some of the biggest scandal'ish coverups in America history.
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By the way...what's the logic behind voting for one because one was going to win? I could easily say that you took the easy way out by voting your ideological tendencies while ignoring everything that was negative about your candidate.
This is a sidebar that deserves it's own reporting. Libs didn't care about Russia until Clinton lost. Hell, they even had a drinking game for every time a Rep said "Russia." 2 million to the Clinton Foundation and a 500k speech after the uranium deal was a shrug of the shoulders 3 months ago. Foreign Policy regarding Russia was Cold War era-like. Half the country was happy to continue on with their head in the sand. The one good thing is that eyes are finally opening to enemies of the state, even though you want to slap them for being decades late to the party.
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All candidates have negatives. For POTUS you need to chose a side. Might as well pick the best fit for you or the lesser of two evils. Because one of them is going to win the prize. It is like independents. Chose a side already. What are you proving?
The incompetence and actions unbecoming of the office continues. Cheeto is now tweeting (how have his advisers not been able to get him off of that?) a very strong accusation - that Obama tapped his phone - yet is offering absolutely no proof or source.
Circus show.
Circus show.
It is most amazing that this attitude is coming from some Republicans.
I have, for a long time, been an advocate of closer cooperation with Russia. But in doing so I understand what he is. That's part of a realist foreign policy, and there are areas in which we both could benefit. But there is a hell of a difference in cooperation and being buddies, like some in Trump's camp.
The last sentence of your post is idiotic, but if Sally Yates signed off on the warrant requests (no one "orders" a FISA tap) it sure makes his firing of her a little more interesting.
Oh, and FWIW, Chief Justice Roberts has appointed every single current member of the FISA court, so you all can forget barking up that tree.
Ah, I took it to mean a "giant cover-up" of shit that really didn't matter to a hill of beans. My apologies. Whenever I hear or see "Benghazi" I immediately assume it is a Republican/Tea Party code word.
Ordered/approved isn't a whatever deal. No POTUS can "order/approve" a FISA warrant. Trump's claim that Obama ordered his phones tapped is a pile of crap. That's not how it works.
And I am not hanging with Extra, I don't want to hear a pitch to get a session on the cans.
