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Raoul Duke MU said:
Can we just enjoy some natural beauty without damned politics being involved?
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pics give a whole new meaning to "walking miles through the desert to hear her fart over a walkie talkie" when dherd references what he perceives as a hot tranny.
 
GK4Herd said:
I'm not any kind of stable genius, but at least I know the difference between weather and climate.
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Every summer my Facebook feed is filled with nonsense like this

"Stoopid conservatives don't believe global warming is real: Record high every day this week!!!!"

I'm not sure what I think of the debate, but there is no shortage of conflating weather and climate on either side.
 
Here's the thing...these cold spells are directly related to a warming and melting polar ice. Five years ago scientist were writing about how the polar vortex was weakening and the result was that the winds that held the cold captive to the poles were now allowing (because of their weakening) the cold to migrate further south. And sure enough it's happening.

But the argument is being distorted by people who post pictures of a snowstorm or cold wave and offer it as proof that global warming doesn't exist. Yet through all the snowstorms and cold spells the earth is still experiencing the warmest five years in over a thousand years.

Scientist predicted that the intensity of hurricanes would increase with rising ocean temperatures. Then a study shows that the number of hurricanes haven't increased and people come out of the woodwork offering it as proof against global warming. Yet not only did the scientist say storms would not increase, they predicted that they wouldn't decades ago. But they are increasing in intensity.

So for every Florida or Saharan snow, or cold New England winter, people...including our president...offer it as proof that global warming is some kind of liberal fabrication.
 
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GK4Herd said:
Here's the thing...these cold spells are directly related to a warming and melting polar ice. Five years ago scientist were writing about how the polar vortex was weakening and the result was that the winds that held the cold captive to the poles were now allowing (because of their weakening) the cold to migrate further south. And sure enough it's happening.

But the argument is being distorted by people who post pictures of a snowstorm or cold wave and offer it as proof that global warming doesn't exist. Yet through all the snowstorms and cold spells the earth is still experiencing the warmest five years in over a thousand years.

Scientist predicted that the intensity of hurricanes would increase with rising ocean temperatures. Then a study shows that the number of hurricanes haven't increased and people come out of the woodwork offering it as proof against global warming. Yet not only did the scientist say storms would not increase, they predicted that they wouldn't decades ago. But they are increasing in intensity.

So for every Florida or Saharan snow, or cold New England winter, people...including our president...offer it as proof that global warming is some kind of liberal fabrication.
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All we need to do is look back at environmentalist predictions over the last 50 years or so and we can figure this is probably wrong too.

In the 70s we were causing an ice age due to pollution blocking sun light. Back then they had science and facts about the earth chilling over the last twenty years. Then we had projections of over population and that the earth would not be able to support (by 2000) a population of 7 billion. We made it to 7 billion a tad later than expert projections and humans enjoy best quality of life ever. The predictions of mass starvation were quite alarming and most demographers agreed. The predictions of resource depletion were "a gas" as well....we were going to run out of oil by...pick a date. During the first earth day, Senator Gaylord Nelson (idiot democrat and environmentalist and earth day founder) predicted a high percentage of all species to be extinct in the next 25 years. swing and a miss! We could probably go on and on but you get the point.

Libtard predictions (concurred with by many scientist, demographers, meteorologist, geologist...whatever you can think of) have been wrong.

But you all go on...and worry your pretty little snow flake heads about it.
 
19MU88 said:
All we need to do is look back at environmentalist predictions over the last 50 years or so and we can figure this is probably wrong too.

In the 70s we were causing an ice age due to pollution blocking sun light. Back then they had science and facts about the earth chilling over the last twenty years. Then we had projections of over population and that the earth would not be able to support (by 2000) a population of 7 billion. We made it to 7 billion a tad later than expert projections and humans enjoy best quality of life ever. The predictions of mass starvation were quite alarming and most demographers agreed. The predictions of resource depletion were "a gas" as well....we were going to run out of oil by...pick a date. During the first earth day, Senator Gaylord Nelson (idiot democrat and environmentalist and earth day founder) predicted a high percentage of all species to be extinct in the next 25 years. swing and a miss! We could probably go on and on but you get the point.

Libtard predictions (concurred with by many scientist, demographers, meteorologist, geologist...whatever you can think of) have been wrong.

But you all go on...and worry your pretty little snow flake heads about it.
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Define quality of life. Buying shit? Widespread modern medicine? Lack of world war? By that standard we seem to be doing alright as a species. I'd say a lot of places are pretty fvxking miserable as well. Would you want to live in the slums of India? Thank God I was born in the USA.

I see extinction over longer periods. Unless we nuke ourselves you need to look at long periods of time. Humans are assholes and much of the cause of the current mass extinction event. It's been going on for about 12k years. Gaylord Nelson might be an idiot, but you would be an idiot to not think we are in a current mass extinction event.

Things have changed since the 70s. Particulate pollution has decreased. Scientists began to better understand green house gasses. If you study solar activity, it would appear we should be in a slight cooling period....but we are not.

Anyway, weird stuff is going on. Tornado Alley is moving north. We only have about 150 years of records on Great Plains weather, and tornadoes were often not reported when the population was much less dense. But over the past 20 years there is definitely a shift to the north. Granted, that's more weather than climate...but it's interesting to see that northern trend with both the dryline and warm/moist sectors.

The greatest threat of 7 billion humans is war. War causes more starvation that nature. Overpopulation multiplies population density (those seeking more resources tend to gather in urban areas), which increases political instability. I now believe the theory that drought was a significant driver of the Syrian civil war. Farms dried up, people headed to cities, shit hit the fan. It's a lot more complex than "the Earth is warmer and it will kill us". We'll keep on killing each other with proficiency, but yeah overpopulation and climate change will make it a hell of a lot easier.
 
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Damn, Herdman is taking a beating this week. It’s about time that he changes the subject and tells us how he once had a black neighbor who said “good morning” to him one day.
 
Or how he's not racist because his son has a black friend. That's a good story.
 
19MU88 said:
All we need to do is look back at environmentalist predictions over the last 50 years or so and we can figure this is probably wrong too.

In the 70s we were causing an ice age due to pollution blocking sun light. Back then they had science and facts about the earth chilling over the last twenty years. Then we had projections of over population and that the earth would not be able to support (by 2000) a population of 7 billion. We made it to 7 billion a tad later than expert projections and humans enjoy best quality of life ever. The predictions of mass starvation were quite alarming and most demographers agreed. The predictions of resource depletion were "a gas" as well....we were going to run out of oil by...pick a date. During the first earth day, Senator Gaylord Nelson (idiot democrat and environmentalist and earth day founder) predicted a high percentage of all species to be extinct in the next 25 years. swing and a miss! We could probably go on and on but you get the point.

Libtard predictions (concurred with by many scientist, demographers, meteorologist, geologist...whatever you can think of) have been wrong.

But you all go on...and worry your pretty little snow flake heads about it.
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You’re throwing a lot out there, but I’ll address a couple items that has actually been discussed before. First off it is a misnomer that scientist in the 1970s were predicting an ice age. Only a small percentage predicted cooling and it prompted sensational headlines such as this Time Magazine cover from 1973...


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The only problem with this is that Time (and several other publications) cherry-picked the information they chose to present. Why not? Time's job was to sell magazines and not necessarily advance the truth. There was a comprehensive study done to determine where the science community actually stood on the issue in the 1970s.

In a study of peer reviewed scientific papers from 1965 to 1979, of forty-nine papers that took a position on the issue, 42 said that the earth was warming and listed co2 as the culprit. Only seven papers expressed the belief that it was cooling. So 86% of the papers predicted the same thing being said today.

Here is a copy and paste of some additional reading on the subject...

  • Check out this New York Times article from 1956 that discusses a forecasted increase in global temperatures as emissions from burning fossil fuels increase atmospheric CO2. Thanks to George Morrison for the heads up.
  • The 1979 report from the National Academy of Sciences, "Carbon Dioxide and Climate: A Scientific Assessment" finds "when it is assumed that the CO2 content of the atmosphere is doubled and statistical thermal equilibrium is achieved, the more realistic of the modeling efforts predict a global surface warming of between 2°C and 3.5°C, with greater increases at high latitudes."


As far as the scientist predicting mass extinction...well...we've had five mass extinction events in earth's history and none of them took place as rapidly 25 years, so I don't think I'll give the senator a lot of credence. He is a politician and not a scientist, so... But I will say that many scientist belive we’re at the beginning of a sixth mass extinction era right now. The oceans are warming and it’s wreaking havoc on the coral reefs, one of earth’s greatest examples of biodiversity.

Species are presently disappearing at a rate that’s 100 times faster than the background rate (the normal rate between mass extinctions). So the senator might be an alarmist due to some political motivation, but that doesn’t mean we don’t have species dying out much quicker than normal.
 
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C.K. Ocsevol-Evad said:
Damn, Herdman is taking a beating this week. It’s about time that he changes the subject and tells us how he once had a black neighbor who said “good morning” to him one day.
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Good morning?.

Jermaine would say, "what up, my ****a ":)

Were damn good in basketball. Like having Byrd and Magic on the same team.

Acutally Jermaine was more redneck than me. He shot a big buck back in the woods. Helped him drag it one night. His wife got pissed because he cut the head off and put in their garage freezer.

Actually, I think I might be part black.
 
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herdfan429 said:
Your niece may date one but you sure as hell wouldn't mentor one without a government subsidy
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Not the government, moron, you cons were supposed to subsidize that trainee wood shop. Never did hear from you tax cutthroats.
 
GK4Herd said:
As far as the scientist predicting mass extinction...well...we've had five mass extinction events in earth's history and none of them took place as rapidly 25 years, so I don't think I'll give the senator a lot of credence. He is a politician and not a scientist, so... But I will say that many scientist belive we’re at the beginning of a sixth mass extinction era right now. The oceans are warming and it’s wreaking havoc on the coral reefs, one of earth’s greatest examples of biodiversity.
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Believe and a beginning? We are without a doubt in the sixth extinction event, the Holocene extinction event, and have been for 12k years. One could actually argue it began over 100k years ago when humans first moved out of Africa. Africa has been, until lately, less affected because animals were evolving alongside humans.

We are super-predators, and jerks.
 
Raoul Duke MU said:
Believe and a beginning? We are without a doubt in the sixth extinction event, the Holocene extinction event, and have been for 12k years. One could actually argue it began over 100k years ago when humans first moved out of Africa. Africa has been, until lately, less affected because animals were evolving alongside humans.

We are super-predators, and jerks.
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I agree. I read the book, "The Sixth Extinction" a few months back and it presented an interesting outlook. But you have to be careful how you word things around here, lest someone looks out the window and sees a bird and disputes that extinctions are actually happening.
 
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