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Herdstruck

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We have a search committee in place (apparently) to find us a new school president.

Marshall/Huntington isn't the best area...and WV as a state is a joke.

What sort of person are we going to look for, better yet, what kind of person CAN we legitimately try to hire?

How does Marshall move forward...knowing the state is going to cut budgets more and more each year...

The impending attempts by others to expand...almost too close to home...also looms, what is our new president going to do?


In short...how in the blue hell...does one take over the reigns of Dr. Kopp?
 
Those same questions could have been asked prior to finding Kopp, yet we found him. I'm sure there are many qualified candidates who would love to come to Huntington and Marshall right now. Despite your negative presentation of our area, SK did an amazing job in those same conditions. I believe that with the momentum on campus that Dr. Kopp left us with, coupled with a mayor who is looking for opportunities to hold hands with Marshall on some innovative ideas, now would be a fantastic time to be president at Marshall.
 
Originally posted by Herdstruck:
We have a search committee in place (apparently) to find us a new school president.

Marshall/Huntington isn't the best area...and WV as a state is a joke.

What sort of person are we going to look for, better yet, what kind of person CAN we legitimately try to hire?

How does Marshall move forward...knowing the state is going to cut budgets more and more each year...

The impending attempts by others to expand...almost too close to home...also looms, what is our new president going to do?


In short...how in the blue hell...does one take over the reigns of Dr. Kopp?
Hell, based on this post; we might as well shut down the town and school. Why the GD negativity?
 
Dr. Kopp's years here made this campus MUCH more attractive to new presidential candidates.

Lots of infrastructure improvements, expanded degree programs and some limited "home rule" exemptions from purchasing requirements given by the legislature.

I think the new President's challenge will be to build on upon President Kopp's legacy and get the engineering programs fully funded, staffed with superior faculty, and enrolling top notch students. Also, continuing to build on the strong reputation that the Medical has established, and getting the pharmacy program clicking full steam ahead.

The partnership opportunities with the city that exist right now are better than they have been in decades thanks to Mayor Williams and there is a real chance to expand the footprint (and hopefully, finally get the damned baseball park built).
 
Dr. Kopp had just been passed over for Prez of Ohio University, then had been (in effect) forced off the Athens campus to Ohio's Board of Regents. He was a person that wanted to be a college president, was familiar with the area, and Marshall was lucky that Ohio U made the wrong choice.

We might find all that confluence in a candidate this time, but more likely it will be a typical head hunter search -- my question is: Is Mike Farrell interested?
 
Herdstruck.... I'm a firm believer that if you have nothing good to say, then say nothing at all... Go back to bed and get up on the other side...
 
I have told four members of the search committee (one now deceased) to consider the motto of the old Southern Railway: "Look Ahead, Look South!" That's where our Alumni base has shifted and that's where our growth with come from.
 
We need someone with a strong vision on how to increase enrollment, and not just from foreign exchange students
 
The points raised are good ones, however. How is Marshall poised to compete with other Universities - not only in its recruitment of a Prez, but also in its recruitment of future students given the declining population in its service area? How is Marshall going to compete given its reduced funding from the state, and increasing pressure to keep tuition and fees down (again, because of the nature of our service area)?

Do you build programs and improvements to recruit students and, thereby, incur debt? Or do you recruit students to pay for future expansion? Tough call, all around.

Personally, I think there needs to be a balance - you can't turn down a Weisburg bulding, and fund-raising to keep up in athletics is mandatory, but Marshall has to be very careful that its eyes aren't bigger than its stomach, i.e. can the income Marshall generates actually pay for the debt service and operating/maintenance expenses of its facilities? Tough decisions, for sure.
 
Mark, the questions you asked were basically what I wanted to ask...I probably didn't use the best wording.

But I won't deny, Marshall and Huntington aren't in the best of states right now. Marshall has moved forward...after the old farts who run crappy businesses in Huntington, realized they really won't be around if Marshall isn't still there...however Marshall is kind of stuck in the world of expanding programs but not students.

The budget cuts are a very real thing...is someone going to actually argue that the state isn't going to, once again, cut back?
Hell, wvu gets affected too from that.

I think what is really ticking me off is the lack of expansion within WV. I hate to see wvu growing in areas outside their campus. I'm not sure of their motives...if they really want to educate or just really need money.
But we don't get as much money as we deserve...less than $100 million in endowments and wvu gets a billion?!! Does that seem fair?

I posted this thread because the next president, whomever they may be, I wonder what their approach is going to be and what sort of president are we going after, given the situation we're in.

Does one anticipate our president going after more funds, more students, boosting academic prestige, etc., which one is most essential?

*Oh yeah, funny, how I give a post that isn't as positive about Marshall and I get backlash, but when the majority of you losers post during football season and season ticket renewal time...all you do is complain, then complain about being complained against.
 
Need someone smart - not necessarily full of degrees such as a PHD. I am talking real world smart - proven, documented successes. Someone who is up-to-date on legal issues, HR, education, and business smarts. Someone who can look at the dichotomy and see where we can be more effective and efficient and create a visionionary plan behind that analysis. Look at partnering with companies and other related fields to attract and recruit not only good professors but good students as well. Create an incentive system that pushes folks to the next level and pushes the dead weight out. Involve the community more as well as alumni and students. Most students are adults and future alumni and will remember how they are treated and their experience. Treat folks like customers not middle schoolers and treat them like humans. Set up engagment teams and other panels to create focus groups and goals and ensure you are trending towards your goals. Without goals and a plan you have no structure and nothing to measure.
 
Originally posted by Herdstruck:
Mark, the questions you asked were basically what I wanted to ask...I probably didn't use the best wording.

But I won't deny, Marshall and Huntington aren't in the best of states right now. Marshall has moved forward...after the old farts who run crappy businesses in Huntington, realized they really won't be around if Marshall isn't still there...however Marshall is kind of stuck in the world of expanding programs but not students.

The budget cuts are a very real thing...is someone going to actually argue that the state isn't going to, once again, cut back?
Hell, wvu gets affected too from that.

I think what is really ticking me off is the lack of expansion within WV. I hate to see wvu growing in areas outside their campus. I'm not sure of their motives...if they really want to educate or just really need money.
But we don't get as much money as we deserve...less than $100 million in endowments and wvu gets a billion?!! Does that seem fair?

I posted this thread because the next president, whomever they may be, I wonder what their approach is going to be and what sort of president are we going after, given the situation we're in.

Does one anticipate our president going after more funds, more students, boosting academic prestige, etc., which one is most essential?

*Oh yeah, funny, how I give a post that isn't as positive about Marshall and I get backlash, but when the majority of you losers post during football season and season ticket renewal time...all you do is complain, then complain about being complained against.
Marshall is actually in the best shape its been in in it's history. Not sure why you think its a sinking ship. Yes, the right person will be crucial no question. I personally think the new prez will need to increase student recruitment and put funds towards that. Second, improve the academic reputation and build up trust and confidence within the faculty, although I don't think any president has ever done that fully.
The state will continue to cut funds forcing MU to find other funding methods. Those in Old Main need to think out of the box and will be forced to try methods that they aren't comfortable with. Complacency kills a school or a business.

As to Huntington, despite our issues with drugs, and its a big one; the city if gradually coming back. Downtown is as active and vibrant as its been since I was a kid in the mid 60's. We have a lot of positives going but many choose to beat the town down not realizing that Huntington and MU's success is closely intertwined. The WV business journal projects Huntington to be WV's largest city by 2020. fwiw.
I know my company, based in Huntington, is adding 60 light manufacturing jobs in the next two years.
 
We need to get this hire right. SK was the best Prez we have had at least in a long time. The next Prez needs to build on the foundation SK laid. Someone who understands the dynamics of Marshall and who can not only recruit more students to campus but one who can find money to fund programs.
 
Originally posted by Raoul Duke MU:
The heavy lifting was done under Kopp.

We need to to accelerate the research push started under Kopp. That is where the real money, and the students we want, are located.
Spot on. Keep building out on the sciences (particularly the environmental biology). There are some great researchers in there and Chuck Somerville has been a terrific Dean from what I can see.
 
There are hundreds of #2's and #3's at University's in this country that want to be the head of a school our size. The candidate pool will be deep, trust me.

Kopp was excellent and was a rare breed because he wanted to retire at Marshall, but worked it like he wanted something bigger. He wasn't like KAYO, with one foot in, and the other foot out the retirement door. Most younger candidates will use it as a stepping stone I would imagine, but if they move on (just like athletic coaches), then they must have done a really good job while in Htgn.

Old or young, just go get the best guy for the job. Definitely need to increase enrollment.
 
I wonder what Dan Angel is doing?
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Drugs are a huge issue and very much a deterrent for people considering staying here.

I'm not sure what the best approach for the president is, hence why I asked the forum.

I think the best thing that our president could do, is to find us a school to model ourselves after in terms of funds and endowments...we of course go in our direction and gain lots of progress with what's already been done.

I just worry about the future, yes, Marshall is in good shape, but how long will that last?

I guess I'm just hoping we land someone VERY qualified and determined to make us something to continue to be proud of.
 
IMHO, the future of MU is the same future MU has always had, MU has a unique burden. To serve the State of West Virginia (a job WVU turned its back on long before any of us were born). Particularly the southern half of West Virginia. To turn its sons and daughters into useful citizens with skills to serve society and to, by doing so, support themselves as non-parasites.

The challenges change. The burden does not.

Today's challenges?

- The continued population loss. Including the possibility that the bad guys win their War on Coal. A WV without coal is a WV with about 1M people, an unsustainable %age of those being either old folks or life welfarists, heading for 750K in the next generation. The solution to that is above the pay grade of the MU president, but being prepared to serve WV, not what kind of WV that WV is, in 2020 or 2030 or whenever, is not.

- The internet. The growth of internet based classes and colleges, both totally fake, semi legitimate, and even legitimate, along with the (totally unregulated in WV, sadly) growth of proprietary vo-tech schools that pass their programs off as "college" cut right at the heart of our mission. People have to be made to understand that most of what you learn in college you learn outside the classroom and that the "core" classes not in your major are important. The growth of every college in WV, particularly WVU, offering Master's by e-mail, with no legitimate work required, is an especial threat.

- WVU. WVU is WV's burden. Sucking up most of the money and returning little or nothing in return. Dealing with WVU, and dealing with the legislature is a big part of the job. You have to make those in power understand that an education $ given to racist Gee to subsidize more New Jersites who will use WVU for an easy degree and never return is a $ wasted. A $ we don't have.

- The diaspora. MU has a very unique alumni footprint. Because a huge %age of our alumni do what the girl did at the end of We Are Marshall. Which is GTFO of WV ASAP. That provides challenges. It also provides opportunities.

- Growth. How do you grow a school whose mission is, and should be, to serve a declining population?

- Lower ed. The most common college level among WV adults is not "never attended". It is "failed to earn a degree". WV's high schools do not prepare WV students to succeed in college. MU has two burdens here. First, to turn out better teachers that are equipped to do their jobs. Second, to serve the students we do get, understanding that many need help and attention.
 
Originally posted by The Real SamC:

IMHO, the future of MU is the same future MU has always had, MU has a unique burden. To serve the State of West Virginia (a job WVU turned its back on long before any of us were born). Particularly the southern half of West Virginia. To turn its sons and daughters into useful citizens with skills to serve society and to, by doing so, support themselves as non-parasites.

The challenges change. The burden does not.

Today's challenges?

- The continued population loss. Including the possibility that the bad guys win their War on Coal. A WV without coal is a WV with about 1M people, an unsustainable %age of those being either old folks or life welfarists, heading for 750K in the next generation. The solution to that is above the pay grade of the MU president, but being prepared to serve WV, not what kind of WV that WV is, in 2020 or 2030 or whenever, is not.

- The internet. The growth of internet based classes and colleges, both totally fake, semi legitimate, and even legitimate, along with the (totally unregulated in WV, sadly) growth of proprietary vo-tech schools that pass their programs off as "college" cut right at the heart of our mission. People have to be made to understand that most of what you learn in college you learn outside the classroom and that the "core" classes not in your major are important. The growth of every college in WV, particularly WVU, offering Master's by e-mail, with no legitimate work required, is an especial threat.

- WVU. WVU is WV's burden. Sucking up most of the money and returning little or nothing in return. Dealing with WVU, and dealing with the legislature is a big part of the job. You have to make those in power understand that an education $ given to racist Gee to subsidize more New Jersites who will use WVU for an easy degree and never return is a $ wasted. A $ we don't have.

- The diaspora. MU has a very unique alumni footprint. Because a huge %age of our alumni do what the girl did at the end of We Are Marshall. Which is GTFO of WV ASAP. That provides challenges. It also provides opportunities.

- Growth. How do you grow a school whose mission is, and should be, to serve a declining population?

- Lower ed. The most common college level among WV adults is not "never attended". It is "failed to earn a degree". WV's high schools do not prepare WV students to succeed in college. MU has two burdens here. First, to turn out better teachers that are equipped to do their jobs. Second, to serve the students we do get, understanding that many need help and attention.
Some really good points here...

There is sort of a myth about the 'war on coal' however. The number of jobs that coal extraction provided was declining even when the production was increasing.

Your point about the diaspora is excellent and can be expanded upon in 2 way that I can think of:

1) The degrees earned at MU have traditionally not lead to especially lucrative careers so it's difficult to collect enough donation money to really offset the continued rate of under-funding from the state. (Remember, the recent $7 million cut is on top of other cuts, which have never & will never be restored.)
2) Much of the migration problem is out of necessity, not choice. I had to leave to earn a decent living. Almost everyone I grew up with left, whether they went to MU, OU, OSU,etc. That's why it is critical that H-ton & MU cooperate in lock step to improve prospects.

Your point 'lower ed' point is the only pick I have, but to be fair, it does contain an element of truth.

1st, this is a problem across the country largely caused by the dramatic cuts in the states' support in higher ed which has raised the cost of attendance to the point where students bail. Because so many families have scarce resources in states like WV & KY & Montana (and other extraction states or CSA states) the choice is made to go to work rather than continue.

2nd, the fields of study chosen most often will not lead to better opportunity at least for the 22-23 year just entering the job market. So why stick around.

3rd about the teachers...The top pay for a masters in Cabell Co. is $20k less than what I earned in SC before I retired there. It's almost $10K less than what I earn at the private school where I work now. The working conditions are far better for me than they were for my sisters-in-law that recently retired from in Cabell. I am sure that there are some excellent teachers in the county & in the state, but WV is not going to get the pick of the litter until pay increases drastically and until the teacher's are placed in more professional working conditions. (Retention is even a larger problem than turning out teachers.) I would guess that many schools in WV are grateful to have a warm body baby sitting in math & science classes.
 
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