Stuck in Mediocre purgatory

[ohio herd]

I am emotionally taped out. I wait all year for football season. Yet tonight was another kick in the nuts. I don't expect a conference title every year. What we did from 1997-2002 was special. I mean having 2 NFL first round picks under center helped. However, year after year it is the same old song and dance. Fire the old coach the new guy will lead us to the Promise Land. Here is another one , the last guy couldn't recruit but the new guy can. Some of you are saying the same thing now about Huff and his class but their star power is around 2.35 the same as Doc. We fired Doc because he was a Nehlan clone. He could get us to 8-5/9-4 every year with a once or twice a decade have a breakout season. Now we are sitting at 7-5. Seriously, we just took a step back. Please don't tell me we have no talent. We have similar talent to last year and went 7-3 and in this conference that is enough to win . Oh well spring ball and NSD is coming and we can all glory in how next year will be different.

 

[raleighherdfan]

I am emotionally taped out. I wait all year for football season. Yet tonight was another kick in the nuts. I don't expect a conference title every year. What we did from 1997-2002 was special. I mean having 2 NFL first round picks under center helped. However, year after year it is the same old song and dance. Fire the old coach the new guy will lead us to the Promise Land. Here is another one , the last guy couldn't recruit but the new guy can. Some of you are saying the same thing now about Huff and his class but their star power is around 2.35 the same as Doc. We fired Doc because he was a Nehlan clone. He could get us to 8-5/9-4 every year with a once or twice a decade have a breakout season. Now we are sitting at 7-5. Seriously, we just took a step back. Please don't tell me we have no talent. We have similar talent to last year and went 7-3 and in this conference that is enough to win . Oh well spring ball and NSD is coming and we can all glory in how next year will be different.

Did you really think this year was going to be different? Really? A new coaching staff, new systems.
And yes…we have a huge deficiency in talent. This team literally imploded at the end of last year. Virtually none of the players on the field now are Huffs.
Im actually surprised we have a chance for an 8 win season. Huff inherited a dumpster fire.

 

[BleedsGreen33]

Did you really think this year was going to be different? Really? A new coaching staff, new systems.
And yes…we have a huge deficiency in talent. This team literally imploded at the end of last year. Virtually none of the players on the field now are Huffs.
Im actually surprised we have a chance for an 8 win season. Huff inherited a dumpster fire.

Offensive system did not change. Huff purposely kept it in place. He made a huge mistake keeping Cramsey and I hope replaces him after the season.

 

[raleighherdfan]

Offensive system did not change. Huff purposely kept it in place. He made a huge mistake keeping Cramsey and I hope replaces him after the season.

There have been changes to that system. I still don’t like it, but there have been changes.

I don’t have a problem keeping him around for 1 year shot. It’s time to move on though.

 

[Marshall Jeff]

"Stuck". Again, a word I use often to describe the program.

 

[MU PIKE]

Huff being from the offensive side of the ball regarding coaching I see him making changes in OC soon after the end of the season. Possibly a couple others on the staff as I’m sure he is back channeling with coaches from other teams regard8ng next year. With the possibility of a nice recruiting class and a full year under his belt as a HC, I believe next year is setting up nicely.

 

[Pioneer_PA]

The team that completely imploded last year had 5 NFL caliber (not all draft… but roster-ish caliber) guys that are no longer on the team (Ball, Knox, Beckett, Maddon, Hodge). This team was experienced at nearly all positions, but much of that experience had hit its ceiling for progression.

This year fit right in with the prior 4 seasons. That’s really not unexpected.

Huff was unable to secure an immediate QB for depth for this season. He inherited a bare room at that position. That is the very problem the prior staff had. We hit big on two QB’s (Cato and Frohnapfel), but sadly we hit them at the exact same time. Litton was not a miss, but he did not develop as well as everyone would have liked for whatever reason.

Wells recovered pretty well from those last three games last season. He made mistakes, absolutely, but whatever happened last season imploded the entire offense.

Remember, Ali was number 5 on the depth chart last season. He would have been number 3 this season at the beginning of the season under the old staff.

We need more skill guys but frankly, we need help everywhere. Doc got the program stabilized but it’s still not complete. Hopefully Huff can build that depth quickly.

I like Coach Huff, and I want him to succeed big here. There were signs throughout the year that maybe we’re not far away, but yesterday proved how thin we are and have been at key positions.

I suspect as long as Huff is here, we will do pretty well within the transfer portal. He has tons of connections to kids that our prior staff did not. Those direct connections from prior stops will last another 2-3 years with Huff before they cycle out, so we will see what happens.

I hope we can develop the entire QB room quickly in the Spring/Summer. There are snaps to be had there.

 

[W-S HerdFan]

Mercifully, was traveling back to NC starting with 2nd Qtr. I only remember 14-0, crowd into it and players energized. The rest sounded horrid. I guess if I never see the onside kick debacle it never happened? Ouch. Hopefully better effort in bowl game?

 

[GreenDuke]

I am emotionally taped out. I wait all year for football season. Yet tonight was another kick in the nuts. I don't expect a conference title every year. What we did from 1997-2002 was special. I mean having 2 NFL first round picks under center helped. However, year after year it is the same old song and dance. Fire the old coach the new guy will lead us to the Promise Land. Here is another one , the last guy couldn't recruit but the new guy can. Some of you are saying the same thing now about Huff and his class but their star power is around 2.35 the same as Doc. We fired Doc because he was a Nehlan clone. He could get us to 8-5/9-4 every year with a once or twice a decade have a breakout season. Now we are sitting at 7-5. Seriously, we just took a step back. Please don't tell me we have no talent. We have similar talent to last year and went 7-3 and in this conference that is enough to win . Oh well spring ball and NSD is coming and we can all glory in how next year will be different.

You describe the origins of your disappointment in the fifth sentence. It was a Mercedes housed in a Buick garage.

 

[ilmherdfan]

Huff said in his post game comments that there are cultural issues that still need to be fixed. He said they responded poorly to adversity. It takes a while to get that out of your system.

This offseason is going to be very interesting. Huff’s HS recruits won’t likely be starting next year. Will he hit the transfer portal hard and will we see a lot of current players move on? After a season with this staff, does he make some changes there too?

 

[The Real SamC]

Did you really think this year was going to be different?

Huff inherited a dumpster fire.

First sort of MU fan. The Doc hater. The excuse maker. Everything is the fault of a previous regime that never had this kind of result.

As the previous regime fades into memory, and its left over recruits are burnt off, new excuses will be made. Nothing is ever going to be the fault of the man whose name is on the corner office door.

Totally blinded to what is going on RIGHT NOW, by a desire to rehash the past.

Huff said in his post game comments that there are cultural issues that still need to be fixed. He said they responded poorly to adversity. It takes a while to get that out of your system.

And type one-A. Here we see the excuse maker type taken to a more precise level with the code words "cultural issues". In other words, the previous regime, was willing to take P5 level talent with maturity and behavior problems over just competing with all the other assorted directional heres and branch campus theres for what isn't wanted.

Three words:

Randy Gene Moss

With the possibility of a nice recruiting class and a full year under his belt as a HC, I believe next year is setting up nicely.

And here we have type two. The eternal optimist. The coach has heretofore unused talents. "Next year" is going to be great, because it is. No logical reason to actually think that, just superfanism.

These are the sort of people who pick all of their team's players for the all-star game and who bet MU to win the national championship in the pre-season.

It is a return from the superfan turned inward and rotten we have had for the last few years, but its the same thing. Marshall is supposed to win because it is supposed to.

It is WVU fan level mindlessness.

I am emotionally taped out. I wait all year for football season. Yet tonight was another kick in the nuts. I don't expect a conference title every year. What we did from 1997-2002 was special. I mean having 2 NFL first round picks under center helped. However, year after year it is the same old song and dance. Fire the old coach the new guy will lead us to the Promise Land. Here is another one , the last guy couldn't recruit but the new guy can. Some of you are saying the same thing now about Huff and his class but their star power is around 2.35 the same as Doc. We fired Doc because he was a Nehlan clone. He could get us to 8-5/9-4 every year with a once or twice a decade have a breakout season. Now we are sitting at 7-5. Seriously, we just took a step back. Please don't tell me we have no talent. We have similar talent to last year and went 7-3 and in this conference that is enough to win . Oh well spring ball and NSD is coming and we can all glory in how next year will be different.

And type three. The actual knowledgeable fan who gets it.

These are the people who built this program. And the people who can rebuild this special place.

Provided we get an administration in here that knows they are the people to be listened to. The green-colored glasses wearing type 2ers and the eterenal rehashers and excuse maker type 1ers don't really matter.

 

[redsfan5590]

I am emotionally taped out. I wait all year for football season. Yet tonight was another kick in the nuts. I don't expect a conference title every year. What we did from 1997-2002 was special. I mean having 2 NFL first round picks under center helped. However, year after year it is the same old song and dance. Fire the old coach the new guy will lead us to the Promise Land. Here is another one , the last guy couldn't recruit but the new guy can. Some of you are saying the same thing now about Huff and his class but their star power is around 2.35 the same as Doc. We fired Doc because he was a Nehlan clone. He could get us to 8-5/9-4 every year with a once or twice a decade have a breakout season. Now we are sitting at 7-5. Seriously, we just took a step back. Please don't tell me we have no talent. We have similar talent to last year and went 7-3 and in this conference that is enough to win . Oh well spring ball and NSD is coming and we can all glory in how next year will be different.

I’ve said for years our program is built on mediocrity. Doc thrived on it… Hamrick was all about it. Our basketball and football programs have been stuck in this cycle. In many ways the way our athletic department has been run has been an echo chamber. We don’t like outsiders, we do it the way we do it and we don’t care for any criticism. I’ve been talking about our soul sucking atmosphere for years and have been laughed down because “it’s not the athletic departments job to make the games entertaining” which is a crock.

We’ve been mediocre for a long time. You also can’t expect one coach to come in and fix it in less than a year. It’s a problem much bigger than just one team or one coach.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

We’ve been an average program for 17 years. One good year since 2003.

Shrinking fan base, no interest. Welcome to the next chapter of Marshall football.

Did we even average 20K in the stands this year?

Not Huffs fault. I think we will be much better next year if he gets rid of Crapsey.

 

[redsfan5590]

We’ve been an average program for 17 years. One good year since 2003.

Shrinking fan base, no interest. Welcome to the next chapter of Marshall football.

Did we even average 20K in the stands this year?

Not Huffs fault. I think we will be much better next year if he gets rid of Crapsey.

It’s a departmental issue. Complacency is a cancer

 

[herdfan429]

It’s a departmental issue. Complacency is a cancer

Slow nickels

 

[oldeherd]

Cheer up, everybody! We've always got Men's Basketball to fall back on. We're gonna be GREAT! Just ask Danny!

 

[MU PIKE]

We got Marshall, Win or lose, they are my Team.

 

[raleighherdfan]

First sort of MU fan. The Doc hater. The excuse maker. Everything is the fault of a previous regime that never had this kind of result.

As the previous regime fades into memory, and its left over recruits are burnt off, new excuses will be made. Nothing is ever going to be the fault of the man whose name is on the corner office door.

Totally blinded to what is going on RIGHT NOW, by a desire to rehash the past.

And type one-A. Here we see the excuse maker type taken to a more precise level with the code words "cultural issues". In other words, the previous regime, was willing to take P5 level talent with maturity and behavior problems over just competing with all the other assorted directional heres and branch campus theres for what isn't wanted.

Three words:

Randy Gene Moss

And here we have type two. The eternal optimist. The coach has heretofore unused talents. "Next year" is going to be great, because it is. No logical reason to actually think that, just superfanism.

These are the sort of people who pick all of their team's players for the all-star game and who bet MU to win the national championship in the pre-season.

It is a return from the superfan turned inward and rotten we have had for the last few years, but its the same thing. Marshall is supposed to win because it is supposed to.

It is WVU fan level mindlessness.

And type three. The actual knowledgeable fan who gets it.

These are the people who built this program. And the people who can rebuild this special place.

Provided we get an administration in here that knows they are the people to be listened to. The green-colored glasses wearing type 2ers and the eterenal rehashers and excuse maker type 1ers don't really matter.

A lot of empty words for a guy who suggested he would be watching NM St. next year. You're a loser Sammy. Go watch NM St.

 

[The Real SamC]

Still on that?

You should be working on new excuses. You are going to need them.

 

[raleighherdfan]

Still on that?

You should be working on new excuses. You are going to need them.

Yes. We take you at your word Sammy. Go cheer for NM St. You said that was the plan.

Only one excuse is needed..."Doc's recruits".

 

[raleighherdfan]

Here is another one , the last guy couldn't recruit but the new guy can.

I missed this comment the other night.

This is exactly the opposite of what was claimed for the last decade. We were told Doc was a recruiting genius. He was a "great recruiter". We heard the first 5 years of his tenure..."We are a young team---He needs his players" etc etc.

I'm not claiming Huff is a great recruiter here but his energy and efforts to not just recruit the southeast but also some regional focus is promising. Time will tell.

 

[The Real SamC]

Only one excuse is needed..."Doc's recruits"

As I pointed out. Type One fan.

Excuse maker

Previous regime blamer.

At least you admit it.

.

 

[raleighherdfan]

Previous regime blamer.

At least you admit it.

The previous regime:

Sammy the loser.... He Mad.

Just wondering. Were you at the game Saturday?

 

[The Real SamC]

I was, as always. We’re you?

Nice 1990s era meme.

We get it. You didn’t like the previous regime. You desperately want to be right about it, so you have come up with this revisionist history of its supposed failings. Umm, we were all here, saw what we saw. We know what it was.

And, unlike you, know it has very little to do with the totally failed season we just finished. We didn’t beat a team with a winning record. We bumbled through to a 7-5 season, which is really far worse than it sounds due to the many dysfunctional programs we played. If we played in any other conference, we wouldn’t be bowl eligible. Maybe the MAC, but certainly not in the SBC.

We are mediocre.

Some of us are concerned. Some of us care.

You make excuses about a long gone coach.

I will save you the trouble:

22: Well, its “really” his first year, last year didn’t count. Its still evil ole Doc’s recruits.

23: Well, really in today’s game, everybody red shirts, so this is “really” just his first class, the rest is on evil ole Doc.

24: Well, these guys were not SBC level talent.

25: Injuries. Weather. Travel. Men’s restroom is dirty. Goal posts are old.

26: Well, really, this program was so damaged during the Doc era that its unrealistic for it to ever actually “really” win. I’m really proud of our effort against Louisiana-Monroe and especially our moral victory over South Alabama.

The reality is, THIS COACH, had THIS RESULT.

 

[5150]

I am emotionally taped out. I wait all year for football season. Yet tonight was another kick in the nuts. I don't expect a conference title every year. What we did from 1997-2002 was special. I mean having 2 NFL first round picks under center helped. However, year after year it is the same old song and dance. Fire the old coach the new guy will lead us to the Promise Land. Here is another one , the last guy couldn't recruit but the new guy can. Some of you are saying the same thing now about Huff and his class but their star power is around 2.35 the same as Doc. We fired Doc because he was a Nehlan clone. He could get us to 8-5/9-4 every year with a once or twice a decade have a breakout season. Now we are sitting at 7-5. Seriously, we just took a step back. Please don't tell me we have no talent. We have similar talent to last year and went 7-3 and in this conference that is enough to win . Oh well spring ball and NSD is coming and we can all glory in how next year will be different.

May not have to worry because I’m hearing Huff is now on VT’s short list.

 

[raleighherdfan]

I was, as always. We’re you?

I've been there all year. Bought season tickets soon after the last guy's boxes were moved out of the office.

2: Well, its “really” his first year, last year didn’t count. Its still evil ole Doc’s recruits.

23: Well, really in today’s game, everybody red shirts, so this is “really” just his first class, the rest is on evil ole Doc.

24: Well, these guys were not SBC level talent.

25: Injuries. Weather. Travel. Men’s restroom is dirty. Goal posts are old.

26: Well, really, this program was so damaged during the Doc era that its unrealistic for it to ever actually “really” win. I’m really proud of our effort against Louisiana-Monroe and especially our moral victory over South Alabama.

Did you cut and copy this from your posts the previous 10 years? Just change out the name Snyder to Doc?
I look forward to reading this next year when you claim this post "wasn't a prediction" on your part when we beat these teams.

We know what it was.

We sure do. A team that quit the last 3-4 weeks last year, will likely win 8 games this season. (Sammy MAD)

Some of us are concerned. Some of us care.

I know. I care so much I bought season tickets and travel from NC every week.

 

[The Real SamC]

I've been there all year. Bought season tickets soon after the last guy's boxes were moved out of the office.

So?

Did you cut and copy this from your posts the previous 10 years? Just change out the name Snyder to Doc?

Anyone who blames a previous administration 10 years is is nuts. I certainly never did, and YOU CANNOT provide a link to that.

But again, take your history to a history thread. Talking about THIS COACH, and THIS YEAR.

I look forward to reading this next year when you claim this post "wasn't a prediction" on your part when we beat these teams.

So we now have a date when you will cease using the previous regime as your excuse. So in the 25 or maybe next season, you will finally STFU about history and discuss the current coach and the current team. See you then.

We sure do. A team that quit the last 3-4 weeks last year, will likely win 8 games this season.

But, but, but, you said above that you didn’t buy season tickets last year. Long before the supposed “quit” deal. Which is it?

Again, take it to a history thread. But I was talking about the whole era of the previous regime. You know so little about football, you cannot have that discussion.

So you actually believe this team will get a bowl opponent so weak it has a shot at actually winning?

Rich.

I know. I care so much I bought season tickets and travel from NC every week.

Gives you lots of time to make up excuses. The “previous regime” one has worn thin.

Maybe if you let someone else drive, you could bone up on history, and thus not be impressed by the “possibility” of an 8 win season.

 

[raleighherdfan]

So?

Anyone who blames a previous administration 10 years is is nuts. I certainly never did, and YOU CANNOT provide a link to that.

But again, take your history to a history thread. Talking about THIS COACH, and THIS YEAR.

So we now have a date when you will cease using the previous regime as your excuse. So in the 25 or maybe next season, you will finally STFU about history and discuss the current coach and the current team. See you then.

But, but, but, you said above that you didn’t buy season tickets last year. Long before the supposed “quit” deal. Which is it?

Again, take it to a history thread. But I was talking about the whole era of the previous regime. You know so little about football, you cannot have that discussion.

So you actually believe this team will get a bowl opponent so weak it has a shot at actually winning?

Rich.

Gives you lots of time to make up excuses. The “previous regime” one has worn thin.

Maybe if you let someone else drive, you could bone up on history, and thus not be impressed by the “possibility” of an 8 win season.

You asked me if I was there Saturday. SOOOOO. (I still dont believe you actually were)
Of course you didn't blame the previous guy 10 years. You hung from his nuts for that period of time.
I'll give Huff 3 years. Seven years less than you gave Doc.
No idea what season tickets last year has to do with the team quitting....try and keep up.
8 wins...anyone understanding football and watching what the team did at the end of last year would say "not surprised".
Sammy the loser. The only guy on the planet upset his team will likely have an 8 win season. "Take it to the history thread".

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

Still waiting to hear why we expected too much from Doc's teams, yet now we support a mediocre program?

 

[raleighherdfan]

Still waiting to hear why we expected too much from Doc's teams, yet now we support a mediocre program?

Should we not give a new guy time to put HIS pieces in place?

 

[greengeezer]

With the exception of Western, this team was in every game down to the finally few minutes. Even with Western, the game plan was working until Wells was injured.
I still remember Pruett telling unsatisfied fans that other schools give scholarships too. We are a small school in a poor rural area with limited resources. It would be nice to win every game and every championship and every bowl every year, but that isn’t going to happen.
My sophomore, junior, and part of my senior year at Marshall, we didn’t win a single game. After the season openers, we seldom attracted more than several thousand fans to an old, rundown stadium. Many people in here don’t realize how far we have come.

 

[raleighherdfan]

so you have come up with this revisionist history of its supposed failings. Umm, we were all here, saw what we saw

You mean like Doc's first 3 seasons of going 5-7, 7-5, and 5-7? Or did you mean in years 7 & 8 when he went 3-9 or 8-5? Or maybe his last two when he went 8-5 or 7-3??? Which one of these would you like me to "revise"?

 

[The Real SamC]

Of course you didn't blame the previous guy 10 years.

So when you said so above, and were challenged for a link, you now admit to just pulling that out of your a**. Got it.

I'll give Huff 3 years.

It that 3 years counting this one, or three more? Just need to know when you will STFU about past coaches and join us in discussion of THE CURRENT COACH and TEAM, The one that was picked to repeat as division champs, but did not. The one that blew a massive lead to ECU. The one that has not beaten any teams with a winning record. The one that was o/u 8 1/2 wins and went under (ch-ching) . The one that was 3-3 at home and which has so alienated the fan base that HHS field looks able to accommodate the crowds. The one taken to overtime by an awful ODU team. The one that lost to a hapless MTSU. The one that holds press conferences where such profound statements are heard like “this week we learned we have to play all 60 minutes” and “this week we learned we must deal with adversity” and “this week we learned we must play as a team”. (Memo: you learn that in pee wee football).

THIS coach. THIS year. THIS team.

If you want to add to the discussion, see you in three, or is it four, years. Until then, we get it. Anyone who wants to discuss this years team should, in your not so humble opinion, be 1) satisfied with 7 or 8 wins; and 2) you will post long diatribes about previous coaches about which no one really cares. Since that is all you have to say, its been said already. So anytime we are discussing something, we already know that you are satisfied with mediocrity and have a negative (and uninformed) opinion of the previous coach which is an irrelevancy relative to the current discussion. So no real need for you to repeat it, yet again.

We are trying to discuss Herd Football. 2021 and beyond.

See you in three, or is it four, years.

No idea what season tickets last year has to do with the team quitting.

It has nothing to do with it. You stated you bought season tickets “as soon as he (Doc) was gone”, but then when challenged on it, went on this history diatribe about things that happened AFTER you already abandoned the team. So when did you abandon the team, exactly?

I never have, and never will.

 

[greengeezer]

THIS coach. THIS year. THIS team.

You seem to be the man with all the answers so what do we do, Sam? Should we spend money we don’t have, buy out Huff’s contract, and start all over again next year?
Who do you suggest we hire, and what will be expected from the new coach? First loss and he’s out? Top twenty, conference champion, bowl game blowout or he goes?

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

Should we not give a new guy time to put HIS pieces in place?

This was meant for Sam. He said we expected too much from the previous staff but yet now we support mediocrity. Just wanted to hear why the fan base did a 180. Lol!

 

[The Real SamC]

No, we shouldn’t fire a coach after one year. We do need to be realistic about where we are, however. This team grossly underperformed this year. Grossly.

We need to be better fans. Thoughtful, realistic, and honest.

Making dumb statements like “we control our own destiny”, which was only true if you thought this team was suddenly going to start winning games vs teams with a pulse in week 12; “well we won 7 games” (opponents records 3-8, I-AA 6-5, 6-6, 6-6, 1-11, and 5-7) when pretty much anyone would have beaten those cupcakes; and “I heard from my cousin’s beautician’s bus driver that he was going to Virginia Tech”, when no major program is going to hire some guy who went 7-5 against a weak schedule. Such stupidity is WVU-fan like. We used to be better than that.

We also need to stop with the excuse making. Chief excuse being the previous coach. But others as well (small, facilities, money, no one comes to games, whatever).

When you first become realistic, and then stop excuse making, Leadership needs to have a frank and honest discussion and review of the season with it made clear that this year’s result is not enough, and that if marked improvement is not shown next year, with a return to our dominant form shortly thereafter, the seat will be very warm very quickly. 7-5 is not acceptable.

 

[raleighherdfan]

So anytime we are discussing something, we already know that you are satisfied with mediocrity and have a negative (and uninformed) opinion of the previous coach

Says the guy that supported this:

Doc's first 3 seasons of going 5-7, 7-5, and 5-7? Or did you mean in years 7 & 8 when he went 3-9 or 8-5? Or maybe his last two when he went 8-5 or 7-3???

Again. You claim "I am uninformed or revise" the history. How should I revise the 7 out of 11 years Doc was here.

you will post long diatribes

This one made me laugh

I never have, and never will.

You already have Sammy. You're just too dishonest to admit it.

You seem to be the man with all the answers so what do we do, Sam? Should we spend money we don’t have, buy out Huff’s contract, and start all over again next year?
Who do you suggest we hire, and what will be expected from the new coach? First loss and he’s out? Top twenty, conference champion, bowl game blowout or he goes?

Ehhh. Sammy has no answers. Ignores the same kind of play, and same kind of records (or worse) during the previous 11 years.

 

[raleighherdfan]

Leadership needs to have a frank and honest discussion and review of the season with it made clear that this year’s result is not enough, and that if marked improvement is not shown next year, with a return to our dominant form shortly thereafter, the seat will be very warm very quickly. 7-5 is not acceptable.

Like leadership did with John following 7 out of 11 years he was here?

 

[raleighherdfan]

We need to be better fans. Thoughtful, realistic, and honest

Agree. Like recognizing the two previous seasons were 8-5 and 7-3 with a complete meltdown and quitting to end the year last season.

 

[Pioneer_PA]

Still waiting to hear why we expected too much from Doc's teams, yet now we support a mediocre program?

7-5 in year 1 does not equal 7-5 in year 4. That’s the difference. This is the foundation year. Coach Huff is working with what he has. A team that’s not too far away from being 11-1, and also not too far away from being 6-6.

Records do matter, but the bigger key will be elevating the level of play next year, and the year after, and the year after. The level of play is not purely measured in wins and losses because schedule strength fluctuates. We still have a way to go to get where we want.

Ironically, it was 8 years ago today that I thought Doc had it figured out. The thorough beat down of ECU in 2013 was reminiscent of the Herd I grew up watching in the 90’s.

That was his fourth season. I’m willing to give Huff four years unless it looks like he’s doing to our program what Ellllllllllllis Johnson did to Southern Miss in 2012. I can safely say, it doesn’t appear Huff is doing that poorly. He’s also learning on the job and I believe we saw positive improvements in game management this season.

I’m still all in. Marshall is my school and I’m not going anywhere.