Looks like another AAC school will get beatdown in a bowl game
Temple is currently losing to Wake 31-7 in the second quarter
Temple is currently losing to Wake 31-7 in the second quarter
The AAC is a joke
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But, but, but, but last year Memphis beat Ole Miss and it was DECLARED that it was the "6th major". Of course, Memphis proceded to lose 4 out of 5. And Houston beat a distracted Oklahoma early this year. We were TOLD that this, surely this shows us that THE AMERICAN!!!!!!!!! is oh, so very great.
And all the pissing and bitching and moaning about CUSA and how we must prostrate ourselves to get in this mightly THE AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!
You mean it is just another random collection of teams spread out over 2/3rds of the country with nothing much in common except a general disinterest among the locals, staffed by players who were not recruited by their first through twenty-fifth choice programs and coaches trying to parlay one good year into a job at a real place?
Gee, I wish I had said that.
And all the pissing and bitching and moaning about CUSA and how we must prostrate ourselves to get in this mightly THE AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!
You mean it is just another random collection of teams spread out over 2/3rds of the country with nothing much in common except a general disinterest among the locals, staffed by players who were not recruited by their first through twenty-fifth choice programs and coaches trying to parlay one good year into a job at a real place?
Gee, I wish I had said that.
The MAC isn't doing very good either. Like it or not, C-USA gets no respect but has had the better bowl record than AAU and our former conference mates for the last three years. Except for MTSU, which wasn't about to win with Hawaiian referees, even our schools that lost made good showings.
I am not happy with our football situation -- especially the tight lipped posture which leads one to speculate that there is an apparent lack of direction -- but ODU, North Texas and Charlotte have gotten a lot better. That kind of caught us off guard but better competition is good for the conference.
Let's hope that Doc will make the changes that will get us back in a bowl next year. Yes, even a lackluster 7-5 will be an improvement over the underachievement of this disappointing year.
I am not happy with our football situation -- especially the tight lipped posture which leads one to speculate that there is an apparent lack of direction -- but ODU, North Texas and Charlotte have gotten a lot better. That kind of caught us off guard but better competition is good for the conference.
Let's hope that Doc will make the changes that will get us back in a bowl next year. Yes, even a lackluster 7-5 will be an improvement over the underachievement of this disappointing year.
Why would espn promote a conference it doesn't own and control?
Thus CUSA no respect. MAC and AAC promoted by espn but not performing.
Which is way, I still feel Britton Bankosky sole purpose was to weaken CUSA when he didnt take the ESPN deal in 2009 that guranteed TV slots on Thursday and Friday nights.
the AAC could go 0-100 in the next "x" year of bowls and still have 10 times the respect our league gets and a lot more $$$ from TV deals.
the AAC, the MAC, and even the Sun Belt did very well in OOC games against the P5 during the season. CUSA did horrible. everybody in the country remembers Houston smoking Oklahoma. nobody in the country will remember (or probably even knows) that Houston lost to San Diego State in the Las Vegas Geico Who Gives a Shit Bowl.
the AAC, the MAC, and even the Sun Belt did very well in OOC games against the P5 during the season. CUSA did horrible. everybody in the country remembers Houston smoking Oklahoma. nobody in the country will remember (or probably even knows) that Houston lost to San Diego State in the Las Vegas Geico Who Gives a Shit Bowl.
AAC is a joke?
AAC laughs all the way to the bank with their TV package on normal networks , the results over the season vs P5's vs the mighty 1-aa CUSA. Regardless of the bowl results , would much rather be associated with the names in the AAC vs CUSA , at least people realize the schools in the AAC are D1 vs 1-aa.
AAC laughs all the way to the bank with their TV package on normal networks , the results over the season vs P5's vs the mighty 1-aa CUSA. Regardless of the bowl results , would much rather be associated with the names in the AAC vs CUSA , at least people realize the schools in the AAC are D1 vs 1-aa.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
AAC contract, signed when ESPN was flush with $$, expires after the 2019 season. Then it, with teams FAR less popular than CUSA's, gets one singed in the new cordcutter reality.
AAC contract, signed when ESPN was flush with $$, expires after the 2019 season. Then it, with teams FAR less popular than CUSA's, gets one singed in the new cordcutter reality.
You really did write that the AAC has teams less popular than CUSA? Just look at game attendance, national perception, money and tv numbers. We get that you hate the AAC, but this is a ridiculous statement with not merit. AAC has many schools that will command from ESPN if not more money at the least the same money when the contract is up in a few years. ESPN bases paydays on tv numbers, perception and fan base strength.
Losing Bowls is only criteria, don't let your hate fool you into thinking the AAC is the league Marshall needs to strive for.
it doesn't matter how low the AAC's TV contract goes. it could sell for about tree-fidy. and that would still be tree more than CUSA...
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My sentiment is whether we like it or not, there still resides a pecking order, even in the G5. CUSA is not at the top of that order now, it used to be, but no longer. I will even say the MAC is higher. To me, when you combine perception, bowl quality, tv money, the order goes AAC (by a long shot, look at their bowls vs. other G5 conferences bowls), MWC, MAC, CUSA(barely above the belt and its arguable, only due to some better bowls), Sunbelt. Maybe perception will change but it won't be anytime soon, that takes time. We can bash the MAC all we want but they have made two BCS bowls to our 0. They do have more marquee wins by far than our conference does. They do have more tv $$$$. The belt has some programs we shoulda snagged that are good, but they suffer from the same perception issue that we do. The AAC may have stunk it up during bowl season, but most of those schools are household names, we should know, we shared a conference with most of them. Outside of Marshall, USM, UTEP, LT, and now probably WKU, there are no household names in CUSA anymore. It is what it is.
At some point, ESPN, no longer getting the $$ it once did, has to understand it can show poker, 30 for 30, or east coast liberals arguing sports with one another; on weeknights and make more $$. Blunt fact is not just this THE AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!!! but every sport except the very top ones live in a new reality of less $$. Nobody is going to cancel their cable if they can no longer see South Florida or Memphis or Tulane games.
CUSA and this THE AMERICAN!!!!!! are both random collections of teams spread out over 2/3rds of the country, with limited TV appeal. The main difference being that the fundamental disinterest of students, alumni and locals, that plagues the bottom of CUSA exists throughout the other league.
CUSA and this THE AMERICAN!!!!!! are both random collections of teams spread out over 2/3rds of the country, with limited TV appeal. The main difference being that the fundamental disinterest of students, alumni and locals, that plagues the bottom of CUSA exists throughout the other league.
The big problem with C-USA and the AAC is the same - they are non-geographical conferences filled with teams with limited regional interest (usually not the top team in their own city), playing each other in games that have no real context even for the fans of those schools.
It's a model that yields very little in terms of growth potential. Marshall and UTEP can play 1,000 times, it will never matter to anybody in Huntington or El Paso, much less the rest of the country. Hell, you had UConn's coach inventing a rivalry trophy with UCF because he needed something in conference play to motivate his players.
This model worked in the 90's for schools like Louisville and Cincinnati, but it doesn't work today for North Texas or Marshall. Say what you will about the MAC, you at least know 1-2 graduates of MAC schools.
It's a model that yields very little in terms of growth potential. Marshall and UTEP can play 1,000 times, it will never matter to anybody in Huntington or El Paso, much less the rest of the country. Hell, you had UConn's coach inventing a rivalry trophy with UCF because he needed something in conference play to motivate his players.
This model worked in the 90's for schools like Louisville and Cincinnati, but it doesn't work today for North Texas or Marshall. Say what you will about the MAC, you at least know 1-2 graduates of MAC schools.
Geography bit the dust some time ago with almost every G5 conference, minus the belt, but they will have teams ranging from texas to sc to nc etc. Not much different than us or the AAC. Thing is, if you use geography in todays list of schools, it pretty much sucks. The only geographical conference we really align with is the MAC or the AAC. Look at how many texas schools we have in the conference, its speaks volumes. That's beside the point though, the point is if you scramble all the conference and reassemble for geography, that may look even worse as far as quality is concerned, than it does now. I don't want Marshall in a conference with CCU, a school fresh out of the Big South, which isn't even a medium FCS conference. That's been forced on us once already with ODU and UNCC. If you subtract all the newbies in the last 10 years or so, then maybe that would be attractive, but add in all the newbies today and see who we'd be paired with, I'd have to say no thanks to a good portion of them. It would definitely be worse than CUSA currently is. The MAC would be a better alternative, though I will admit their bowls are on a different level of suck with as many belt teams they pair up with.
This may be argued until the end of time ,many around the nation believe CUSA to be an FCS conference - happens all the time when discussing sports with others who have graduated from FBS schools , they seriously do not pay attention to the schools in CUSA , can not name most of the schools within CUSA and are not aware that CUSA is actully a FBS league. And once you begin to list the schools in CUSA it really solidifies the image as many think teams like ODU Richmond etc are still FCS schools.
On the other hand , AAC schools (Houston , UConn , Cincy , Temple, SMU ,Memphis etc people know those as well as see them on ESPN with regularity vs the once in a blue moon game that Marshall will be involved in on an actual network that is not regional or CBSCS.
It's the old identity issue and CUSA is identified as a low level FCS conference thanks much in part to the programs that were brought in to replace all those that left for the AAC as an example.
On the other hand , AAC schools (Houston , UConn , Cincy , Temple, SMU ,Memphis etc people know those as well as see them on ESPN with regularity vs the once in a blue moon game that Marshall will be involved in on an actual network that is not regional or CBSCS.
It's the old identity issue and CUSA is identified as a low level FCS conference thanks much in part to the programs that were brought in to replace all those that left for the AAC as an example.
Marshall first game at UTEP was a Stadium record for UTEP I believe. People care when their team doesnt suck
Heck, even CUSA fans get confused sometimes...
Did he really say Richmond?
None of those fans were there to see Marshall, especially not the '05 iteration.
Im sorry but Outside of ECU, Houston, Navy and UCF. Your conference attendence is about the same as CUSA. Nobody still doesnt care about SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, Cincy(They still give away free tickets), Temple, UCONN or USF.
I have always said that it would be best for teams from CUSA, AAC, Sun Belt, and the MW teams to have a conference and seperate the 4 conferences into 3 more regional 16 team conferences.
AAC East__________AAC West
Marshall___________Tulane
ECU ______________Houston
Navy______________Louisiana Tech
Temple____________Southern Miss
UCF______________Memphis
USF______________MTSU
UCONN___________UAB
Cincy_____________WKU
MW Mountain_______MW Pacific
Tulsa_____________Hawaii
Rice______________San Diego State
SMU_____________Fresno State
UTEP____________San Jose State
Air Force_________UNLV
Colorado State_____Nevada
Wyoming_________Utah State
New Mexico_______Boise State
CUSA East________CUSA West
ODU_____________UTSA
Charlotte__________Texas State
GA State__________ULL
GA Southern_______ULM
FAU______________Arkansas State
FIU_______________North Texas
Appy State_________New Mexico State
Troy______________South Alabama
Considering that has been their highest attended game since that game not involving Texas Tech or UT I would say they came out to see Marshall
I will give you that C-USA is struggling to re brand itself. I don't think we are considered a FCS conference though. Even though I agree the AAC is a better conference for goodness sake it isn't the ACC it is the AAC. Schools like Tulane and SMU may have better curb appeal than ODU or WKU but are they any better in reality? At the end of the day the G5 have all been passed over and I really don't see what all the fuss is about. UH is currently on a roll but the have nowhere to go. So once the current contracts end it will be interesting to see what kind of deal the AAC gets from ESPN going forward.
Nah, they claimed a sell out in the 2007 season against New Mexico State. Photographic evidence would indicate that maybe their attendance figures from the mid-2000's are somewhat suspect.
exactly, and we were in year one of Snyder....our brand was still good and we were coming off a bowl season. Also we went into that game at 3-3 after booting the Kstate game and should have been 4-2. herdlicous is trying to apply hindsight as to what was in the crowds mind that day. and, he is mistaken.
And like I said since we played them in 2005, Their only other Sellouts was Texas Tech, Texas, and New Mexico State
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I remember that game, was televised on national TV, OMG the Snyder suck show had us plastered by Mike Price that game. It was SOLD out, no arguing that.
CUSA identity gets lost when people say Richmond is in the conference.
CUSA messed up in 2009 when we turned down ESPN.
We take that ESPN deal and there is no AAC. Take the old CUSA 2.0 and then you add UCONN, USF, Cincy, and Temple and we wouldnt have this problem 6 years later
CUSA messed up in 2009 when we turned down ESPN.
We take that ESPN deal and there is no AAC. Take the old CUSA 2.0 and then you add UCONN, USF, Cincy, and Temple and we wouldnt have this problem 6 years later
Im not sure anything would have changed what has happened. ESPN at the time was low balling CUSA, mainly because they figured they had the upper hand. CSTV came along as a start up and offered way more money. Yeah it did hurt exposure a bit, but CUSA wasn't the only conference to abandon ESPN at the time, the MWC did the same thing for the same reason. Money rules the roost. If things were perfect, we would have been apart of CUSA 1.0 as a football only member, with UL, UC etc, the BE would have still existed with Miami, VT etc, and all would have been gravy. Money destroyed all of that.
Yep it was, but about anything was compared to what we get now. Our days were numbered when the BE completely blew up, and CUSA members that left to join for the one year BCS bid or whatever it was, lowered us to belt levels......CUSA had the upper hand in all that if they would have stayed put and not chased a one or two year autobid.
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