The AAC is vastly overrated
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When or where have you heard CUSA have two teams mentioned by anyone other than on this board?
All I know is that any thread like this attracts good ole dshoe like a fly to dog crap. I don't think I have ever seen a post from him regarding congrats to the Herd, but a negative toward AAC or espn and he is here like stink on shit.
Stuck foot in mouth. A congrats to Neville for his start today. So I have seen a congrats from dshoe.
Stuck foot in mouth. A congrats to Neville for his start today. So I have seen a congrats from dshoe.
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It's the highest ranked conference champion. Marshall, WKU and la tech have all been in the others receiving votes at some point this season. That makes them part of the discussion
(Here we go again)
Sam,
you really are eaten up with all of this aren't you....and the condescension doesn't help your case at all and makes you look so small in your assertions and arguments ...I have much more invested in Marshall than you ever will, so they are My team, My alma mater and My passion in college sports, always have been and always will be. I've represented Marshall in ways you will never know and in ways that you likely will never have the chance to do. Everyone in college sports and Sports Television that knows me, knows I wear Marshall on my sleeve. I've been in Puerto Rico all week for the Basketball Tournament here that I run and Marshall has been the singularly most mentioned program in all discussions. In fact Tubby Smith and I spent a good half hour the other night talking about Marshall and people in Huntington or with Marshall ties that we both know.......As for the American Athletic Conference, I guess it annoys the hell out of you that I know Mike Aresco and Tom Odjakjian in the conference office as well as many of the coaches, both basketball and football in that league..... just as I do in CUSA..... I evaluate this not on emotion or envy, but on fact and within the context of what I know about the national scope of college athletics, not the very narrow lens of just being pro-Marshall that you do. Evaluating the AAC or CUSA or the MAC, MWC or Sun Belt for what they are doesn't denigrate Marshall in any way nor does it change how I feel about Marshall in any way.
Speaking of diatribe by the way, please go back and re-read the non-objective, in fact incredibly biased, BS that you wrote and posted. And where do you get the idea that the AAC plays on random weeknights? They play mostly on Saturdays and occasionally on Thursday and Friday nights, nothing random about that at all. My Marshall team will play on Friday, Saturday and of all things Sunday this year and CUSA will have played on Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday this year all on Networks with much less actual viewership than the AAC plays on............these things are just facts, not silly assertions, judgments and pointless rantings.
Tell you what, when you've actually represented MY alma mater in the ways that I have and when you've had the experiences in college athletics and the business of College Athletics and TV that I have had, then maybe we can all begin to take you seriously, until then please stick to the topics you actually know something about, whatever those might actually be.
And NO it wouldn't be a lateral move, not in perception, television revenue, television coverage, intra-conference SOS, conference investments in facilities, conference average attendance, BASKETBALL, etc, etc...........and your Win them all and go to the Access, lose just one and go Boca...........well, wait a few weeks and we'll see how that argument plays out.........
I apologize to all of you on this board who have grown tired of this constant back and forth, it's just difficult to let such uninformed and biased statements go unchallenged particularly when they are based not in fact, but in jealous perception. Being a fan is about supporting your program not continually trying to minimize every other one.
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Thing is...C-USA could be real good next year with the AAC's majority of coaches being hired away and sucking once more. DShoe will be saying why it isn't as good a conference as the AAC and that despite having worked with Marshall, that they are eons lesser than that conference and whatnot.
I also don't try to put C-USA on top of a mountain. C-USA has some schools who are truly a joke...as does AAC (Tulane for one...good lord) but to say the conference is overall better, based entirely on one single year...with 'powerhouse' schools in said conference, losing to crap teams in it...really shows that the conference, isn't as good, and the teams are simply hyped up for no other real reason than the fact there's hardly anyone else to really talk about.
Thing is, these teams in the AAC, are inconsistent at best...since they can somehow manage to win their OOC games but can't seem to beat a lowly crap team in their own division?
I also don't try to put C-USA on top of a mountain. C-USA has some schools who are truly a joke...as does AAC (Tulane for one...good lord) but to say the conference is overall better, based entirely on one single year...with 'powerhouse' schools in said conference, losing to crap teams in it...really shows that the conference, isn't as good, and the teams are simply hyped up for no other real reason than the fact there's hardly anyone else to really talk about.
Thing is, these teams in the AAC, are inconsistent at best...since they can somehow manage to win their OOC games but can't seem to beat a lowly crap team in their own division?
Imo this perception is not one shared by sports writers and those who know college sports. Yes SMU and Tulane are bad, but every other school is competitive and has the ability to win on any given Saturday. This is why I believe the AAC still h as three teams ranked as the league is beginning to get props for the strength of interleague play.
ESPN sees good value in the league as well ( I did not say great,but good) The exposure they have given the AAC will eventually pay big dividends for the league.
As DShoe stated (what an asset for this school) talking in realities does not diminish Marshall who is clearly the class of Cusa. Marshall is CUSA best ambassador imo,but they alone cannot make CUSA compete in perception against the AAC.
As we see these AAC teams fall from the top 25 it indeed matters. I however think its a bunk argument this season because I think Navy is going to make Houston deep throat their cock and massage their balls too, and get the access. I am ok with Navy getting the access spot.Lol ok
Quick look back. They do play Army after the AACCG
Now if Army beats Navy after Navy wins the AAC, THEY DO NOT DESERVE THE ACCESS SPOT
Now if Army beats Navy after Navy wins the AAC, THEY DO NOT DESERVE THE ACCESS SPOT
Navy made a huge mistake in joining this THE AMERICAN!!!! Just like Army did back in the 90s with the first version of CUSA. It will last about the same length of time. Navy could make up a fine schedule without it.
The powers that run college football likewise made a mistake moving Army-Navy to what is in effect after the regualar season. If Navy wins THE AMERICAN, it gums up the whole "access bowl" deal.
The powers that run college football likewise made a mistake moving Army-Navy to what is in effect after the regualar season. If Navy wins THE AMERICAN, it gums up the whole "access bowl" deal.
I don't see it happening either but you never know. Right now we need to concentrate on beating WKU this week
Actually Army and Navy both wanted the game where it is in terms of timing. They wanted the game to be a stand alone event. The MWC and Sun Belt Commissioners lobbied hard to force the game time to be changed because they were afraid that it would give the AAC an unfair advantage both in branding and in the Access Bowl slot. Fortunately their voices did not win the day and the game has remained where it is. Army and Navy deserve to be highlighted, but both schools wanted the December date that they have.
In terms of Navy joining the AAC, Navy wanted the AAC just like Aresco wanted Navy. IF Navy wants to make the Access Bowl they have to be in a conference. Being an independent puts them on the outside looking.
Love the passion of Marshall fans by the way.
I seriously doubt that. You basically have one post. "The AAC is really great and all the other G5 leagues stink". You never post about the team. You never post about anything. All you want to do in denegate Marshall's victories by poo-pooing on our conference. You should leave that to the Spamies.
I have not read anything good about MU from you since we left the MAC, which is to say left ESPN.
As to this "its not a lateral move". citiing your resume is not how you bolster your crediability. You need to show some facts. The only facts I know are these:
- Last year, CUSA was the G5 champion and a MWC team went to the "access bowl"
- This year is not over. (It is PROBABLE that this year your conference will get both).
- Next year is a different year. MU, and every team in at least the Big 3 of the G5, and maybe all of them, can go 13-0 and make the "access bowl", and all 5 will be in the running for the money inthe G5 conference champion race, the historical standings of which will not be worse than "CUSA 1, AAC 1". Maybe better.
But more importantly, what is your point? According to you (I disagree) MU was not, and is not offered to be in this league. Yet in MID-OCTOBER you get all puffy over the results of ONE GAME (which turned out to be nothing in the long run for either Memphis or Alabama). And now you are here in this thread. Same stuff. And?
What does any discussion of this league do to build up Marshall?
Or perhaps the goal is to tear down Mike Hamrick?
If Army and Navy want to continue playing, they need to be forced to fit their schedule like the rest of the country. If not than the AAC shouldn't have invited them. Its not fair the rest of the G5 has to play their entire schedule within the correct timeframe and Navy is allowed to play after their conference CG
AAC STILL has 3 ranked teams and despite Temple having 2 losses, they are STILL ahead of every MAC, CUSA and MWC team.
Im sorry but the AAC has 3 ranked teams because they are the ESPN new darlings. There is only 1 team currently in the AAC that deserves to be ranked and that is Navy
UCONN Cornelius You cant talk around here any longer. Husky your way on out.
If you don't think ESPN has major influence over rankings then I don't know what to tell you
But Ill tell you think, there is only 1 AAC team worth ranking and that is the Navy Midshipman
Sam,
You just make stuff up and draw incredibly stupid conclusions based on no fact and no reality! Do us all a favor and go back and find one post, just one where I have "torn down Mike". In fact, if you do search it, you'll find that the last time I mentioned Mike was in a post where I mentioned what a good job he was doing particularly with Scheduling...... Call Mike and ask him whether or not I've helped in ways you don't know about when he has asked...... I'll stop short of defaming you, simply because I don't do that kind of thing, and I assume you have some reason for going off the deep end, but it isn't apparent and why you want to attack me personally makes absolutely no sense. I don't have nor do I post with any agenda, I know where we are in the world of college athletics and I know where CUSA is and the American, etc. the fact that you are simply wrong about so many things that you surmise without direct knowledge speaks to what you don't know and the obvious agenda you have.... Attacking me and all your silly little mechanics (The AMERICAN!!!!!!!) doesn't do anything except make you look silly and diminish your point! I doubt if anyone remotely associated with this board and certainly not you has done more over the years (and continues too, btw) to benefit MU athletics, particularly FB than I have, but I don't post those things on these forums, nor should I.
Like so many people, when they can't argue with facts and intelligence, they resort to name calling, innuendo and unfortunately that's what you have sunk to. I'd be happy to debate the issues, but "you don't want to know the truth, you can't handle the truth!" Great line we all remember. Give it a rest Sam, simply you don't know what you are talking about and when you do have a clue, you over state and selectively make stuff up.
All that said though,
Have a wonderful Thanksgiving!!!
Go Herd and let's BEAT WKU!!! Then if everything broke perfectly, My Thundering Herd would get the Access bid over Your American
But it still wouldn't change the facts relative to where the two leagues fall in the grand scheme of things.
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Good God man. Are there no traditions left in college football worth preserving?
Btw, there is no correct time frame that prohibits playing this game at the end of the year or it wouldn't have been scheduled.
Sam,
You just make stuff up and draw incredibly stupid conclusions based on no fact and no reality! Do us all a favor and go back and find one post, just one where I have "torn down Mike". In fact, if you do search it, you'll find that the last time I mentioned Mike was in a post where I mentioned what a good job he was doing particularly with Scheduling...... Call Mike and ask him whether or not I've helped in ways you don't know about when he has asked...... I'll stop short of defaming you, simply because I don't do that kind of thing, and I assume you have some reason for going off the deep end, but it isn't apparent and why you want to attack me personally makes absolutely no sense. I don't have nor do I post with any agenda, I know where we are in the world of college athletics and I know where CUSA is and the American, etc. the fact that you are simply wrong about so many things that you surmise without direct knowledge speaks to what you don't know and the obvious agenda you have.... Attacking me and all your silly little mechanics (The AMERICAN!!!!!!!) doesn't do anything except make you look silly and diminish your point! I doubt if anyone remotely associated with this board and certainly not you has done more over the years (and continues too, btw) to benefit MU athletics, particularly FB than I have, but I don't post those things on these forums, nor should I.
Like so many people, when they can't argue with facts and intelligence, they resort to name calling, innuendo and unfortunately that's what you have sunk to. I'd be happy to debate the issues, but "you don't want to know the truth, you can't handle the truth!" Great line we all remember. Give it a rest Sam, simply you don't know what you are talking about and when you do have a clue, you over state and selectively make stuff up.
All that said though,
Have a wonderful Thanksgiving!!!
Go Herd and let's BEAT WKU!!! Then if everything broke perfectly, My Thundering Herd would get the Access bid over Your American
But it still wouldn't change the facts relative to where the two leagues fall in the grand scheme of things.
Dan,
Let me say that I appreciate everything you have done for college football and especially what you have done to help Marshall in the past.
Apparently, your greatest transgression on this message board is that your posts have been intelligent, reflective of your previous hands on experiences and opinions based on facts and not wild speculation or gut feelings. If you're not examining the current state of affairs through green-tinted glasses or gulping the Kool Aid by the gallon, you will always leave yourself open to criticisms by the board's internet suicide bombers.
How anyone could question your loyalty or institutional knowledge is beyond me but I hope these juvenile attacks won't discourage you from expressing your opinions in the future.
If Navy wanted to keep tradition, they shouldn't have joined a conference. Simple as that
Sam,
You just make stuff up.
I know where we are in the world of college athletics and I know where CUSA is and the American, etc.
Like so many people, when they can't argue with facts and intelligence...
With all respect, we get it.
You rode the wave at ESPN. OK.
You don't have any facts (you will note that I have posted the results of the one and only complete year of the G5 championship and of the access bowl slot, FACTS you wish were not true). You just state "well, I worked at ESPN and therefore whatever opinion I have is right and everybody who disagees is ignorant."
You never cite any facts, or even anybody else's opinons. You just say "I worked at ESPN and ..."
OK. If that is your system, then, yes, you are the only person here who worked at ESPN. So your opinions are always right. We should all just accept that CUSA is crap and just sit about belitiling our own program because we are so awful. You said so and everything you say is automatically right.
Leaving everything else aside, you are the one that brought this up. Why? All you have to say on any subject is how insignificant MU is. That is all you have to say. MU stinks. Winning CUSA is nothing. MU is bad. Negative comment after negative comment.
Marshall is not in the AAC. It is not going to be in the AAC. So why THREE THREADS, including your very foolish "isn't the AAC great because Memphis beat Ole Miss ? " one. It is all you have to say.
OK, we get it. You think nothing we do is really important. I do.
You have begun to interpret like a 3rd grader and it is beyond annoying! Find one place where I have ever said.." I worked at ESPN and....." just one place. First, I coached (rather successfully for almost 17 years and placed over 30 kids during that time into college athletics on scholarships) I created a business around college sports and worked for a number of entities before ESPN, I was fortunate enough to have a company that I started and had some equity in bought by ESPN and rose to the level of Vice President and officer of the Disney Corporation before I retired from there after 20+ years. I still do some work for them, in fact just finished the Puerto Rico Tipoff and Charleston Classic, both of which I started. I helped move ESPN into the Event business (Football Bowl games and Exempted Basketball events) I managed the School marketing division at ESPN including multi-media rights at Oregon, Kansas, Iowa State, UNLV, UAB, TCU and others. I oversaw the syndication business at ESPN for 8 years. I was charged with managing the relationships of many of our conference partners and negotiated a number of conference television deals for the company over many years. I conceived and built the Thundering Herd Network and took Marshall with me as a condition of employment when I joined Creative Sports and started Creative Productions. I continue to consult with conferences around the country and have met with each of the G5 commissioners on various issues in the past 6 months and one commissioner flew into Puerto Rico this past Friday to meet with me on the development of a post season event in another sport. I continue to be active in the collegiate space and unlike you I have made it my career for over 30 years. I didn't just work for ESPN, I've been highly involved in the overall space for years and spent one year on a college campus as an administrator. I've served on search committees to hire both College AD's and Head Coaches and have helped dozens of college head coaches(including half a dozen or so who have coached in the Final Four or for the National Championship over the years with job selection, scheduling, job searches and career changes. Working with two right now in fact.
Sam, I do respect all of the people on this board and the other MU board for their opinions that are well thought out, and yours used to be..........I don't know what happened to you in that regard, but your positions now don't make sense and your arguments have not only become juvenile, at least on this current subject you simply don't know what you are talking about and your "facts" aren't facts at all. The AAC simply doesn't have enough history to draw many of the conclusions you want to draw and quoting one available year is really meaningless. And your statement: ......"including your very foolish "isn't the AAC great because Memphis beat Ole Miss ? " ..... I never said that, but clearly you'd have to be blind to not see that the league has had a number of impressive wins and games this year including that one........Ole Miss has had a very good year and Memphis beat them handily...... so what is your point? The good schools in that league are beating each other now, something that I said weeks ago would happen, but still they have been this year's class of the G5, that is barely debatable by anyone who can get out of the forest and see the real trees........ something you can't do.
Sam, suffice it to say, you are entitled to your opinions, your conclusions and your guesses, but unlike you, the things I post have basis in fact and almost always include conversations with people who are involved day to day. I spoke (on stage) to an audience of over 450 people this week, including Tubby Smith, Jim Larranaga, Ben Howland, Richard Pitino,Fran Dunphy and many other coaches, AD's , 2 university presidents, a conference commissioner, etc. and spent hours with them this week. I'll be in Nashville tomorrow and Wednesday with 6 other Head coaches that are all friends, I had lunch two weeks ago with one of the most respected active head coaches in all of College Sports, just the two of us (he bought by the way). And Friday and Saturday, I'll be in NYC with Cincinnati, Tennessee, Louisville, Nebraska, GW, and St. Louis, not in the stands, but involved with each of these programs. My point is this, simply, I have a frame of reference on all of my opinions that make them at least a little more informed than some of the others who post here. I have been blessed in having a career in something we all love and blessed in being able to build real relationships and in many cases real friendships with people that most of us just get to read about in the papers..........so I've done a little more than "just worked at ESPN"
I actually have professionals in this space of collegiate sports and National television who seek out my opinions on an almost daily basis so I've done a little more than "just rode the ESPN wave or just worked at ESPN. Ask yourself this, who seeks out your opinion?
Also, please go back and find one, just one instance of me belittling our program/s at Marshall. I have been a champion for Marshall at a very National Level..............what have you done for MU besides post on a message board?
Now for the sake of everyone who reads this board, let's end all of this childish back and forth on this. We'll see who ends up being right about most of these issues. Simple as that. Time will tell, it always does.
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Hey Shoe I have a question. What do you think we could be doing to help us promote our football program? We are locked into a conference that is not getting a great deal of respect. I mean it seems even if we have a great team and a great season we have little room for error. Forget the NYD6 invite I am talking Top 25 votes. Have we slipped or have we regained some of what we had in the late 90"s? Besides joining another conference have we hit a ceiling? Must we go undefeated to even be mentioned? Just curious based on your contacts in the sports world.
Well said Dan. A very professional and articulate response to a few Internet Jihadists who will neither understand nor accept that they have been publicly filleted.
It's posters like you who bring real value to the board with meaningful insights based on experience.
For the most part it is really about scheduling and winning. Doc is beginning to be recognized nationally for what he has accomplished at MU just like Coach Pruett and Coach Donnan before him. Boise became Boise by the wins they had, the Bowl wins and their consistency in big games. Going forward, its all about consistency and winning against a schedule that matters. The teams in the AAC that got so much pub this year did so because of their schedules and who they beat. National TV helps and I do worry that CUSA's next contract will not give them the exposure they have had recently on Fox. I hope at least a piece of the deal goes to ESPN and there have been some discussions there. I do think the TV piece is critical and I am concerned about it.
You asked if we have hit a ceiling, in my opinion the answer is NO, but we need to win and win consistently, we need to get to the Access Bowl a couple of times for our program to take the next step. Interestingly only CUSA and the Sun Belt have NO teams that have not played in either a BCS Bowl or the Access Bowl game...... we need that opportunity.
Should we change leagues? I'm not convinced that we should (or should not for that matter) even if that opportunity were available. I think the folks at Marshall who would be charged with that decision would have to consider several things, including their commitment and MU's ability to compete with out non-qualifiers. I think Doc could recruit well given the commitment and a quality schedule, but then Doc won't always be the head coach........If and when the opportunity arises, I hope it will be well studied and if we go, that we make the commitment to be successful. That was not the case when we moved from the MAC to CUSA and ultimately it is why Coach Pruett stepped down.
Damn I forgot about them.
But either way, the over exaggeration that our success is built by Props is just that Over exaggeration. Snyder and Pruett recruiting props also, the difference is Doc has a criteria when it comes to Props while Snyder and Pruett just recruited anyone
But either way, the over exaggeration that our success is built by Props is just that Over exaggeration. Snyder and Pruett recruiting props also, the difference is Doc has a criteria when it comes to Props while Snyder and Pruett just recruited anyone
I don't disagree with this, but we have had more non-qualifiers than those listed make significant contributions.
For the record: I think Marshall is fine currently in CUSA, the goal should be to be the best team in the conference year in and year out, to compete for the title every year and schedule in a way that brings national attention to the program...... We need to make the Access Bowl at least twice to elevate MU into the national discussion alongside Boise. The only way I'd re-evaluate the short term goal of the program is dependent on what happens with the Television Rights negotiations. We don't want to "fall off the table" exposure wise if the conference stumbles there. It will be interesting to see what happens there.
The thing is this, I feel Marshall with Doc and Mike is on solid ground with the football program plus the Olympic Sports are finally competing for Championships.
Actually I believe right now, we are on more solid ground than any AAC program most of their programs will either hire new coaches this year, hired new coaches last year, or will be firing coaches soon. And I know it just suck being in CUSA where they went after Markets instead of Solid established football programs. I would love to trade UNT, ODU, UNCC for GA Southern, Louisiana, and Arkansas State. And actually I felt when the Big East was breaking up, Bankosky dropped the ball and wasn't proactive trying to merge the remaining Big East schools with CUSA. Imagine if CUSA 2.0 remained intact and we added UCONN, CINCY, USF, and Temple
Actually I believe right now, we are on more solid ground than any AAC program most of their programs will either hire new coaches this year, hired new coaches last year, or will be firing coaches soon. And I know it just suck being in CUSA where they went after Markets instead of Solid established football programs. I would love to trade UNT, ODU, UNCC for GA Southern, Louisiana, and Arkansas State. And actually I felt when the Big East was breaking up, Bankosky dropped the ball and wasn't proactive trying to merge the remaining Big East schools with CUSA. Imagine if CUSA 2.0 remained intact and we added UCONN, CINCY, USF, and Temple
