The Credibility of the Herald-Dispatch

[Herd Fever]

Should seriously come into question the longer they keep Chuck Landon on payroll. No reputable hometown Newspaper should keep a hack who does nothing but holds grudges and continuously post false information for the sake of getting back at people.

And no sports editor that is worth anything should allow it

 

[The Real SamC]

Chuck Landon is a bitter, dark hearted, sad little man.

But you talk about him. The management of the H-D thinks it sells papers because people are talking about him. It is not an unusual act, lots of programs have a "negative columnist". Even the Spamies have this Hertzel idiot who is the only person who says reasonable things to that delusional crowd (the minority that can read, that is). Who is to say that the theory that Chuckie and his ilk sell papers is wrong?

In any event, there won't be an H-D in 10 years anyway. Newspapers are dying.

 

[GreenDuke]

No problem, the owner will be Attorney General of WV in a few months.

 

[31Herd55]

Chuckle can get a job on the newspaper staff of any high school in Cabell Co, as long as last year's sophomore sports reporter got promoted to the 11th grade.

 

[muthunder627]

I have said this all along--he needs to go!

 

[oldeherd]

I have said this all along--he needs to go!

Hey guys, if the H-D is virtually on life support as some of you indicate then do you think they could afford to get a quality sports writer/columnist to replace Chuckie Boy???

 

[31Herd55]

One of the present custodians could do a better job...it's just that Chuckie could never do his job.

 

[herdalicious]

Seeing how Chuck Landon is the only person on the restricted travel list in the Marshall AD, I would say pretty much anyone who's name doesn't appear on that list would be a better candidate.

 

[TheGreenhouseEffect]

Hey guys, if the H-D is virtually on life support as some of you indicate then do you think they could afford to get

If that's true they can't afford not to replace CL. I being from OOT see the headlines of his articles posted and am glad I have to subscribe , because to take the time to read his bitter slanderous statements about Marshall Football is something I'm never going to do.

When I hear they have fired him, I'll be first in line to start an electronic subscription. In all honesty Smock is all I read anymore. He's usually straight on the money, even when he does dis the Herd, he is seeing what all of us saw, and it needs to be said in true journalism. CL is slimy. Fire him today make Huntington a better place.

 

[MARSHALL77]

The Herald Dispatch lost all credibility before many that post here were even born.

It is amazing that for a home town publication the number of times Marshall is presented in a negative light. The HD always seems to focus on the negative vs the positive or if they do report a positive there is always a "but" to take it away before the end of the article.

Another point - When it comes to verification of the facts, many times one can only shake their head in dismay.

Thing ought to become a weekly or print 3 times a week at the max as you really get better articles regarding Marshall from the Charleston Gazette.

 

[31Herd55]

And, yet the Gazette-Mail is the biggest cheerleader/newspaper for the Ears in all of W. Va.

 

[Herd Fever]

Fire Chuck Landon

Make Huntington Great Again

 

[31Herd55]

Yes...Urban Improvement

 

[Herd Fever]

Gentrification

 

[Herd In the Plains]

Fire Chuck Landon

Make Huntington Great Again

Feva, did you notice they deleted your comment in Chuck's Ones That Got Away?

 

[CockyHerd]

Chuck used to be a pretty decent writer several years ago.......Now it's just misinformed, poorly investigated and terribly written.

I picture him sitting in his living room, wearing three day old clothes and writing his article on a brown paper bag from the liquor store. While he drinks said liquor out of an old jelly jar.

 

[Herd Fever]

No I didnt see that but I should go and comment again.

Also no personal names on here, thank you

 

[oldeherd]

Chuck used to be a pretty decent writer several years ago.......Now it's just misinformed, poorly investigated and terribly written.

I picture him sitting in his living room, wearing three day old clothes and writing his article on a brown paper bag from the liquor store. While he drinks said liquor out of an old jelly jar.

Exactly, CockyHerd. When Chuck was the Herd beat writer on the old Daily Mail, under Jack Bogaczyk, his articles were really informative and usually upbeat regarding MU sports. I used to enjoy them and rely on them for insight into recruiting, etc. Don't know what has happened since he came to the H-D. Obviously, something, or someone at MU, has really "soured" Chuck's attitude and outlook vis-a-vis Herd sports!!

 

[trailherd]

No problem, the owner will be Attorney General of WV in a few months.

There is a reason most major Dems are avoiding the AG race, Morrissey doesn't look even remotely vulnerable.

 

[Herdmeister]

And, yet the Gazette-Mail is the biggest cheerleader/newspaper for the Ears in all of W. Va.

It is the biggest in number of circulation but the Wheeling papers are REAL eer drumbeaters.

 

[TheGreenhouseEffect]

I picture him sitting in his living room, wearing three day old clothes and writing his article on a brown paper bag from the liquor store. While he drinks said liquor out of an old jelly jar.

I see soiled pajamas and a 5th of southern comfort

 

[dshoe123]

Read his column today on P5 and 4 star recruits going to G% (Marshall)..........he is right on the money. I wrote a post on this board over a year (maybe 2) ago relative to the autonomy legislation and it's long term affect on scholarship limits and academic restrictions, etc. Pay attention, because here it comes. Notice the new "academic redshirt" that MAY allow P5 schools to exceed the 85 rule. The 85 rule is the ONLY rule left that helps the G5 level the playing field.

Say what you want about Chuck, but he nails it on this one.

 

[pintcan]

The question is will the P5 change its take on NQs? Nothing been stopping them except for their own respective conf bans.

 

[dshoe123]

The question is will the P5 change its take on NQs? Nothing been stopping them except for their own respective conf bans.

The real question is scholarship limits..........the 85 rule is now the only thing that keeps the P5/G5 playing field level at all

 

[THUNDERGround]

We could see a return to what we had before the 1-A/1-AA split: Unlimited scholarships for the P5.

 

[jocktalker]

I still remember when Johnny Majors left Iowa State to resurrect Pitt's football program in 1973. Penn State, Syracuse, Pitt and WVU had a gentlemen's agreement regarding the number of prospects that could be signed in a year. Majors quickly annound Pitt wanted no part of that deal. Relying heavily on junior college players, Majors signed 105 kids in his first recruiting class.

Bama, and the other SEC schools, used to over sign recruiting classes just to keep conference mates from possibly signing quality recruits. It was like the Wild, Wild, West in those days.

I don't think we'll see those extremes in the future but P5 schools will probably have enough money to pretty much afford whatever limits they choose.

 

[Rakeem_Cato]

Say what you want about Chuckie, he gets readers. Honestly, I can't stand reading his articles and that's exactly why I read them half the time! It's like Fox News, I'm a young college liberal, but I pay attention to O'Reilly or Hannity simply because I want to see what they say next.

Not trying to get in a political debate, just using myself as an example. I understand a lot of you guys probably like Fox News, and that's 100% fine.

 

[jocktalker]

Say what you want about Chuckie, he gets readers. Honestly, I can't stand reading his articles and that's exactly why I read them half the time! It's like Fox News, I'm a young college liberal, but I pay attention to O'Reilly or Hannity simply because I want to see what they say next.

Not trying to get in a political debate, just using myself as an example. I understand a lot of you guys probably like Fox News, and that's 100% fine.

Winston Churchill once said if you were young and not liberal, you probably didn't have a heart. If you're older and liberal, you probably don't have a brain.

 

[pintcan]

No mention yet about the 85 changing as part of this rule which was passed in 2012(and delayed until now to give HS kids a chance to adjust) blong before the word autonomy was used on the net about FB.

 

[dshoe123]

No mention yet about the 85 changing as part of this rule which was passed in 2012(and delayed until now to give HS kids a chance to adjust) blong before the word autonomy was used on the net about FB.

there has indeed been mention of it. Both the Big Ten and SEC have suggested that the 85 rule needs adjustment..... Big Ten has discussed making Freshmen ineligible (like they don't redshirt most anyway) but that they would need another 10-15 scholarships.......

Big XII is discussing tieing scholarship numbers to Graduation rate....if you grad more you get more, etc

Mark my word (and I've posted this for several years), the real casualty of the autonomy legislation will eventually be the 85 rule.........make book on it.

 

[ohio herd]

I may be way off but here is my take. Back in the day when schools could sign more than 85 the recruits did not have access to info like they do today. I could easily see each year many guys who sign with the Ohio States and Alabama show up on campus look around and say crap they signed 40 guys.No way are all of the guys going to be happy. Many will look online and see these huge classes and say no thanks I will go to Marshall or WKU or Boise. Better to play at Marshall than be buried on the depth chart at Ohio State IMO.

 

[dshoe123]

I may be way off but here is my take. Back in the day when schools could sign more than 85 the recruits did not have access to info like they do today. I could easily see each year many guys who sign with the Ohio States and Alabama show up on campus look around and say crap they signed 40 guys.No way are all of the guys going to be happy. Many will look online and see these huge classes and say no thanks I will go to Marshall or WKU or Boise. Better to play at Marshall than be buried on the depth chart at Ohio State IMO.

you are dreaming!!! More kids will transfer, no doubt but they all think they can play when they sign. P5's have that covered too, look for a change in transfer rules too that will allow transfers without sitting out a year. Currently only Basketball and Football require a year sitting out. Imagine a player like Devon Johnson coming off his Jr year, does anyone believe he would have played at Marshall his Sr year?

Remember this too, adding 15 scholarships to P5 schools will take an additional 900+ players out of the "pool" for G5 schools.........

 

[ohio herd]

you are dreaming!!! More kids will transfer, no doubt but they all think they can play when they sign. P5's have that covered too, look for a change in transfer rules too that will allow transfers without sitting out a year. Currently only Basketball and Football require a year sitting out. Imagine a player like Devon Johnson coming off his Jr year, does anyone believe he would have played at Marshall his Sr year?

Remember this too, adding 15 scholarships to P5 schools will take an additional 900+ players out of the "pool" for G5 schools.........

with all due respect, on this issue it is you who are dreaming. The goal of every 18 year old good enough to play football at the college level is to play not ride the pine.. If you think guys are going to be content to go to Ohio State and be the #11 QB on the depth chart then we live in alternate universes.Football today is almost a year round job filled with long hours of dedication.Lets say you are correct with the transfer rules changing. I am confident Doc will be there waiting for many of these kids to transfer to Marshall when their bubble is burst. No doubt early on many would gravitate to elite programs who would sign many kids to keep them away from other schools. I believe that many would see past it after a few recruiting classes. In the real world coaches know other coaches and students read recruiting sites and many of them and their parents would not be so naive as to believe their kid will be the next superstar RB in a class of 4- 4 star RB's signing at a school that has already signed 4-5 other former All -Americans at the same position. But what do I know.Let me be clear, I am talking about unlimited scholarships not adding a few others. I say they will be prone to go back to unlimited as easily as adding 10.

 

[The Real SamC]

Kids always think they are the one that is going to make it. It is part of being an athlete in the first place.

But, really, we are only talking about 15 to 20 school in the first place. Outside of in-state kids, nobody dreams of playing for most of the field-fillers in the "P5" either. I think the Purdues and WVUs and Oregon States of the world understand that if the scholarship limit went to 100, then the top 15 of their recruits would be benchwarming where they really wanted to go to school, and they would now have not only have 15 extra mouths to feed, but 30 kids currently not good enough.

 

[dshoe123]

It's really interesting to read some of these posts. I spoke with most, maybe all of the G5 Commissioners prior to the vote on autonomy for the P5 schools. Everyone of them was on board and bought the line that nothing would change really. That decisions would be made in the best interest of college sports and the issues to be handled under autonomy were "big school issues" and weren't really relevant to the G5 guys. Only one conference voted against autonomy (CAA, and its commissioner recommended his schools vote for it) and only 24 schools out of the entire membership voted against it. Today when you talk to those same guys/gals, its funny how their opinions have changed, how much they now are concerned about the entire fabric of college sports as it relates to equity on the playing field and rules being contemplated by the P5 that they now see will directly disadvantage the non P5 programs. The logic of the two previous posts in this thread is almost identical to that of the G5 commissioners when the NCAA and the P5 folks were pushing for their support on the vote. I guess we will see how it all plays out, time will tell.

I do agree with SamC that even in the P5 conferences the disparity between top and bottom would continue to grow, the interesting dynamic in most of the P5 conferences currently is the disconnect between the top programs and the bottom programs within those conferences. But make no mistake, the quality of the recruit pool available for G5 programs would/will be diluted if this occurs. Ask ANY major college coach and they will tell you that the 85 rule is the most important rule in college football with respect to talent equity on the playing field today, both from a depth standpoint and a quality of starters standpoint.

 

[Gold-n-Blue]

Kids always think they are the one that is going to make it. It is part of being an athlete in the first place.

But, really, we are only talking about 15 to 20 school in the first place. Outside of in-state kids, nobody dreams of playing for most of the field-fillers in the "P5" either. I think the Purdues and WVUs and Oregon States of the world understand that if the scholarship limit went to 100, then the top 15 of their recruits would be benchwarming where they really wanted to go to school, and they would now have not only have 15 extra mouths to feed, but 30 kids currently not good enough.

I love it how Sam puts WVU in the "Purdue, Oregon State" category? WVU hasn't been great the last few years, but we are certainly on a different level than those two programs.

Anyway, schools like WVU do get kids to come with offers from more traditional powerhouses. Playing time, system, relationship with coaches, etc... so I don't think expanding the scholarships will stop that from happening. I simply think 85 is enough though. The $$ boom is coming to an end, so schools will level out what they want to spend on scholarships.

 

[Chris McLaughlin]

The $$ boom is coming to an end, so schools will level out what they want to spend on scholarships.

I think it is, too. I just hope the financial bubble popping (so to speak) doesn't impact the sport too much.

 

[TheGreenhouseEffect]

LOL, BnJ you guys keep forgetting you were playing basically our schedule , ECU, Pitt, UCONN etc and you were the kings of midmajors, THEN you went into the B12 and you now are Purdue and Beaver Pelt U. Sorry my friend but your fearless leader Ollie Schmuck left you all terribly screwed. Yeah yeah yeah the money, the money, the money. I could care less about your new season ending game rival Iowa State Pig Farmers Bowl. That your not playing Pitt and not playing Marshall is simply stoopid. The best move you could make is to go to the NCAA tell them you'll join the AAC if they get P5 status, which is probably what would have happened if Schmuck didn't blow every B12 president to get you into the 9 that's 12. Your inclusion alone would have catapulted that conference to P5. Schmuck used you and the state of WV like a cheap tool to get up the ladder.

Dan, the point of Chucks article is to say the sky is falling and Marshall and Doc are doomed football wise, this is why he should be terminated. There may be some truth to it, but it hasn't happened yet. There isn't one objective article he writes. I will never subscribe or pick up and read a HD upon departure from Huntington at 7am to drive back home on Sunday mornings. Marshall Football has never been in a better position to move up to the AAC if we wanted to. Sorry Dan I know your in the business, but malicious slander isn't acceptable especially for a local writer in a small town. Fire that asshole!

 

[Herdmeister]

LOL, BnJ you guys keep forgetting you were playing basically our schedule , ECU, Pitt, UCONN etc and you were the kings of midmajors, THEN you went into the B12 and you now are Purdue and Beaver Pelt U. Sorry my friend but your fearless leader Ollie Schmuck left you all terribly screwed. Yeah yeah yeah the money, the money, the money. I could care less about your new season ending game rival Iowa State Pig Farmers Bowl. That your not playing Pitt and not playing Marshall is simply stoopid. The best move you could make is to go to the NCAA tell them you'll join the AAC if they get P5 status, which is probably what would have happened if Schmuck didn't blow every B12 president to get you into the 9 that's 12. Your inclusion alone would have catapulted that conference to P5. Schmuck used you and the state of WV like a cheap tool to get up the ladder.

Dan, the point of Chucks article is to say the sky is falling and Marshall and Doc are doomed football wise, this is why he should be terminated. There may be some truth to it, but it hasn't happened yet. There isn't one objective article he writes. I will never subscribe or pick up and read a HD upon departure from Huntington at 7am to drive back home on Sunday mornings. Marshall Football has never been in a better position to move up to the AAC if we wanted to. Sorry Dan I know your in the business, but malicious slander isn't acceptable especially for a local writer in a small town. Fire that asshole!

We are in no way in position to play in the AAC. Financially we would be near the bottom of the league. We would struggle big time. Heck, even Temple has passed us by in attendance by 8,000 per game or so, plus being in Philadelphia they can get OOC games with ND and Penn State. We bring no TV sets to the party and we are NOT a great travel destination. We are not a recruiting hotbed. I LOVE Marshall and always will but my glasses aren't so green that I think we are in position to move to the AAC. Also it was made clear when they formed the league they didn't want us. They took, Tulane and Tulsa instead.

 

[pintcan]

UConn, Memphis and Cincy Basketball without the Kanes or Burks(NQs)