The Death of Tiger Woods
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Here's his most recent Time Magazine interview. I've read a few articles on this and most are saying that this is the first time he has let down his guards and let everyone get a personal glimpse of him...
http://time.com/tiger/
http://time.com/tiger/
My thoughts before the usual shots at Tiger comes...the world loves to knock people off their pedestal. Especially those who rose to such a height that Tiger did. They got their wish. Tiger's fall, from a personal standpoint, is of his own making. But I also believe that where the world loves to revel in the carnage of the fallen, they are also forgiving. If Tiger really is coming to grips with his life, I fall in the category of those who will pull for him to be competitive again.
But unfortunately, the demons in his personality that drove him off the cliff were the very qualities that gave him his edge when he dominated the sport like no other. Because of my forgiving nature I'm happy he's coming to somewhat of a peace with himself. But I fear that in that peace comes the reality that he may never have the drive that elevated him to the top of the game again. Hopefully I'm wrong. An aging Woods along side of Speith, McIlroy, Fowler, and Day would be a pretty awesome thing to watch.
But unfortunately, the demons in his personality that drove him off the cliff were the very qualities that gave him his edge when he dominated the sport like no other. Because of my forgiving nature I'm happy he's coming to somewhat of a peace with himself. But I fear that in that peace comes the reality that he may never have the drive that elevated him to the top of the game again. Hopefully I'm wrong. An aging Woods along side of Speith, McIlroy, Fowler, and Day would be a pretty awesome thing to watch.
GK,
I heard an interview not too long ago that they asked Earl Woods years ago how many majors he thought Tiger would win. This was when Tiger had just turned Pro. He said 14 majors.
Tiger won 14 and some people think he was happy doing that and Jack's record was not really his inner drive. He wanted to meet his father's expectations.
Nobody knows but Tiger but that is a school of thought.
I heard an interview not too long ago that they asked Earl Woods years ago how many majors he thought Tiger would win. This was when Tiger had just turned Pro. He said 14 majors.
Tiger won 14 and some people think he was happy doing that and Jack's record was not really his inner drive. He wanted to meet his father's expectations.
Nobody knows but Tiger but that is a school of thought.
Oh, and I am not so sure it all came crashing down in 2009. Many act like he never won again or couldn't swing a club. In 2009 he won 6 times. Then hasn't really played but about a 1/3 of the the time since then. He won 3 times in 2012 and 5 times in 2013.
Guess what. Guess who are the top 3 golfers for wins since 2010? You guessed it. Or, maybe not.
Since 2010, there have been 255 PGA Tour tournaments played.
Three men have won 11 percent of those. That doesn't sound like a high number, but 27 wins split between three golfers over six years is a lot.
Their names? Bubba Watson, Tiger Woods and Rory McIlroy. It's not surprise to see McIlroy's name in there given the current state of his game. The other two? Maybe but for different reasons.
Guess what. Guess who are the top 3 golfers for wins since 2010? You guessed it. Or, maybe not.
Since 2010, there have been 255 PGA Tour tournaments played.
Three men have won 11 percent of those. That doesn't sound like a high number, but 27 wins split between three golfers over six years is a lot.
Their names? Bubba Watson, Tiger Woods and Rory McIlroy. It's not surprise to see McIlroy's name in there given the current state of his game. The other two? Maybe but for different reasons.
I've never heard that. He certainly spent a life trying to live up to his father's expectations. I think Tiger, deep down, wants both the total victories and the majors, but like most of us when we age come to grip with the fact that our childhood dreams are seldom met and that happiness comes in conceding that although we came up a little short of our own dreams, we've done enough. Tiger has done enough.
I heard on PGA radio that Tiger has really missed about 4 years of his career. Injuries, personal problems, etc.
He did say the other day that he is not interested in more back surgeries. So, this could be the end. I have a feeling he will play selectively now.
If people are going to refer to Tiger as the greatest golfer who ever played the game, that's pretty much the accepted benchmark.
Oh bullshit. No child wants to disappoint their parents but this effed up notion that Tiger, a grown man & billionaire, couldn't take control of his life & had to satisfy his dad's ambition is insane. I refuse to believe Tiger's that weak of a person.
Who said he was weak? He's the opposite of weak. You're reading way too much into my comments. Tiger was raised to be the best on the planet. Those are some lofty goals to pursue. Of course that effects the way he thinks and behaves as an adult.
As far as the "Tiger, a grown man & billionaire, couldn't take control of his life & had to satisfy his dad's ambition," comments...that's just hyperbole to create an argument where none exists. Read my post. I clearly state...
"Tiger's fall, from a personal standpoint, is of his own making."
Not to deny you your faux outrage, but you're making way too many assumptions about the way I think. Tiger is a flawed individual. We all are. And from a personal standpoint, he might be coming to grips with that for the first time in his life. I hope he finds it. That's just me I guess...one of those awful people that hopes that everyone comes to a peace in their life. But if you enjoy the outrage, have at it. I won't try to argue with you.
This is what you consider to be "outrage"? Wow. Calm down, GK. Your "faux outrage" defending Tiger is borderline insanity. INSANITY I SAY.
The tone of this thread & other articles about Tiger's upbringing is that he was trying to fulfill his father's expectations. You state, "He clearly spent a life trying to live up to his father's expectations." And Herdman even mentioned that's a popular school of thought. I'm arguing what a crock of shit I believe that to be. Hence my "I refuse to believe Tiger is that weak." I might even be arguing he's his own man more than you guys give him credit for. We're all brought up to be the best in the world. What parent raises their kid to be half-ass at something?
Again, my problem isn't with Tiger. It's the weird cult (from fans to writers) that has made him this golden calf. He's not the best to ever play by the standard everyone is judged. And because of that, his fans want other factors to be considered while refusing to do the same for Jack (not in this thread but we've definitely covered it on this board.) Now I've seen multiple articles on reputable sports' sites trying to humanize Tiger & I question the motives behind it.
Let's be honest and you all know me, I don't buy into the politically correct nonsense and race baiting.
Why were people against Tiger? Because he was a black guy in a lilly white sport and was on a pace to break the iconic Jack Nicklaus's records. Plain and simple.
Hell, I have played golf and looked down and had a Nike ball and had guys, oh you are playing that damn Tiger Woods black guy(maybe another word) golf ball. Guys I didn't know from Adam. I am like, dude, I just got them on sale at WalMart.
Then, when Tiger had trouble and we knew most every detail it was a chance for the critics to pile on.
Most anybody that is around golf knows that majors are the holy grail. I don't think anybody denies that.
What I do know that his decade run was one of the most dominant in sports and he changed the game. Brought in more athletes. Brought in more money. Brought in better tv coverage. Those things helped change equipment.
That is what I do know.
Why were people against Tiger? Because he was a black guy in a lilly white sport and was on a pace to break the iconic Jack Nicklaus's records. Plain and simple.
Hell, I have played golf and looked down and had a Nike ball and had guys, oh you are playing that damn Tiger Woods black guy(maybe another word) golf ball. Guys I didn't know from Adam. I am like, dude, I just got them on sale at WalMart.
Then, when Tiger had trouble and we knew most every detail it was a chance for the critics to pile on.
Most anybody that is around golf knows that majors are the holy grail. I don't think anybody denies that.
What I do know that his decade run was one of the most dominant in sports and he changed the game. Brought in more athletes. Brought in more money. Brought in better tv coverage. Those things helped change equipment.
That is what I do know.
Right. Other than the little fact that I have zero problems stating when the best ever in other sports aren't white - & are usually black athletes. But somehow Tiger supporters think golf is different.
Of course there are people who dislike Tiger simply based on race. Same with Obama. Does that mean their problems with his policies have anything to do with his race?
I'm not arguing that for a period of time, Tiger was insanely dominant. That doesn't make him the best ever though.
That's what I've been saying for a while. Absolutely no shame in that either.
I don't think herdman was referring to you when he brings up the race angle Wise. Your history of posting on here shows prejudice isn't a thing with you. But he has a point. The only thing I point out from time to time is that Tiger's indiscretions did very little to change people's opinion of him. Those who hated him prior to his cheating indiscretions revelations simply used it as the reason for their hatred. They really had nothing to latch onto prior to that so you wonder what they're true motivation was before this stuff came out.
But let's be honest...his cheating had very little to do with most people's hatred of the man.
But let's be honest...his cheating had very little to do with most people's hatred of the man.
I would argue that Phil Mickelsons issues with women and gambling are worse than tigers yet we aren't discussing phils fall from grace
Unfortunately not "all".........and way too many.
That's part of the problem today.....Too much sh1tty parenting!
I disagree wisemania. Not all of us are brought up to the best not anymore.
Not in modern America. Frankly, many of the kids today are Pussies. No other word for it.
Tiger's dad, Earl Woods, was a hard ass. He was a Green Beret, a bad mofo and hard ass on Tiger. Hell, I got in trouble for chewing a youth baseball team out for running around the bases after they lost 17-2. Bunch of pussy parents and kids.
