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But you drove a Maxima.

I drove another Maxima two weeks ago when I was in NY. I’ve driven a Maxima last September, last November, last December, February, and two weeks ago. I’ve driven cheaper cars than that numerous times as rentals during that time.

My point in avoiding a Mustang isn't due to any perception of it being a commoner’s car. Clearly, a $450,000 car isn’t for commoners. Rather, it’s about the perception of the type of people who drive Mustangs.
 
My point in avoiding a Mustang isn't due to any perception of it being a commoner’s car. Clearly, a $450,000 car isn’t for commoners. Rather, it’s about the perception of the type of people who drive Mustangs.

I'm guessing it doesn't stop there...is there any American "muscle car" that you would own?
 
I drove another Maxima two weeks ago when I was in NY. I’ve driven a Maxima last September, last November, last December, February, and two weeks ago. I’ve driven cheaper cars than that numerous times as rentals during that time.

My point in avoiding a Mustang isn't due to any perception of it being a commoner’s car. Clearly, a $450,000 car isn’t for commoners. Rather, it’s about the perception of the type of people who drive Mustangs.

The Ford GT is the one that's $450k. That's not a Mustang. It is a carbon-fiber exotic more geared for the track than the streets. Only 1,350 will be built. And it will hold its value.

The 2020 Mustang Shelby GT500 is the one Herdman is posting about. Price has not been announced, but I think $80k is a good guess. I have driven a GT350R, which is basically the same car sans supercharger. It is in no way a redneck car. It is a flat-plane V8 that sounds like a Ferrari (makes sense, Ferrari V8's are also cross-plane). It is also more track focused in suspension than a regular Mustang GT, but the creature comforts are good for touring. The engine is magical, truly world-quality sounds, power, and response. 8,250 RPM redline.

I could not care less about perception if I am blowing your doors off.
 
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How about that Jeep that is all souped up? An SUV that does like 180mph?
 
Utterly goddamn pointless. High center of gravity says fvck you.
Maybe, but I worked with a guy who's brother in law has one. They went up to that road course track in Virginia. He rode with him and he said it scared the shit out of him and they were going faster than many of the cars and holding the track.
 
have driven a GT350R, which is basically the same car sans supercharger. It is in no way a redneck car.

It’s a Mustang. It’s a redneck car. You can put a crack whore in a $20,000 Versace gown, and she’s still a crack whore.

I could not care less about perception if I am blowing your doors off.

That pretty much proves my point. If you floor it coming out of a red light, you’ll get to 60 mph a whopping 1.4 seconds faster than the guy next to you? Wow. Impressive. Are you the guy who peels out at traffic lights and stop signs? Just where do you blow people’s doors off while driving daily?

It’s the same mentality of the guy who boasts that his pickup truck is louder than the other guy’s. Rednecks.
 
It’s a Mustang. It’s a redneck car. You can put a crack whore in a $20,000 Versace gown, and she’s still a crack whore.



That pretty much proves my point. If you floor it coming out of a red light, you’ll get to 60 mph a whopping 1.4 seconds faster than the guy next to you? Wow. Impressive. Are you the guy who peels out at traffic lights and stop signs? Just where do you blow people’s doors off while driving daily?

It’s the same mentality of the guy who boasts that his pickup truck is louder than the other guy’s. Rednecks.
At least you take your high dollar cars to jiffy lube like the rest of us peasants
 
That pretty much proves my point. If you floor it coming out of a red light, you’ll get to 60 mph a whopping 1.4 seconds faster than the guy next to you? Wow. Impressive. Are you the guy who peels out at traffic lights and stop signs? Just where do you blow people’s doors off while driving daily?

There is this thing called track days. There is also autocross and the local drag strip.

I can also make good time on certain road trips. While there is a lot of truth in the saying "it is more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow", it is a hell of a lot easier to cover ground when your car has a high performance reserve....basically, if you are nowhere near your car's capabilities driving, say, I-79 from Charleston to Weston, if you want to do that at a 100 MPH average you will do so with more comfort and safety in a higher performance vehicle than the guy trying it in a Ford Focus. Unless he has the ST or RS.

Crossing Kansas or Texas? Eh, anything will do.

Tires are too expensive to "peel out" from stop lights. But I would be lying if I claimed I have never done a hell of a burnout in an empty industrial park on a Saturday morning, on the way to get new tires installed.

Maybe, but I worked with a guy who's brother in law has one. They went up to that road course track in Virginia. He rode with him and he said it scared the shit out of him and they were going faster than many of the cars and holding the track.

I'm not saying they are not fast. They are. But there are better choices for going fast. And part of that scared shitless feeling was because he could feel the high center of gravity. Kind of like that feeling we got from our shitty high school cars that leaned hard in the curves out Route 10 lol.
 
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Mid Engine Corvette to be announced next month.....

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a29781/mid-engine-corvette-2018-rumors/
 
There is this thing called track days. There is also autocross and the local drag strip.

You continue to solidify my point. Autocross and local drag strip? Yes, the epitome of redneck.

Didn't you drive one of the H3 Hummers a few years back? That's the epitome of redneck.

No, a dozen years ago (hardly "a few years back") a dealership let me have one for a week so I could drive in New York snow and get Christmas trees. Two years ago, I contemplated getting a used H3 to haul a tiny house only to find out the hauling rate on the H3 isn't very good.

That's the epitome of redneck.

Hardly. There are people from all walks of life who drove Hummers. Hell, they were extremely popular with people with big money in major cities when they first came out.
 
You continue to solidify my point. Autocross and local drag strip? Yes, the epitome of redneck.



No, a dozen years ago (hardly "a few years back") a dealership let me have one for a week so I could drive in New York snow and get Christmas trees. Two years ago, I contemplated getting a used H3 to haul a tiny house only to find out the hauling rate on the H3 isn't very good.



Hardly. There are people from all walks of life who drove Hummers. Hell, they were extremely popular with people with big money in major cities when they first came out.

In your last sentence you could easily replace hummers with mustangs.
 
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You're out of your mind. Hummers were popular with wealthy whites in major cities and urban blacks. Mustangs are not popular with wealth whites and are only popular with a very small amount of blacks.
They are popular with a wide array of people and thats the point. Just because you claim they are redneck mobiles doesnt make it so.
 
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You continue to solidify my point. Autocross and local drag strip? Yes, the epitome of redneck.



No, a dozen years ago (hardly "a few years back") a dealership let me have one for a week so I could drive in New York snow and get Christmas trees. Two years ago, I contemplated getting a used H3 to haul a tiny house only to find out the hauling rate on the H3 isn't very good.



Hardly. There are people from all walks of life who drove Hummers. Hell, they were extremely popular with people with big money in major cities when they first came out.
A pick up truck works better to haul Christmas trees.
 
You're out of your mind. Hummers were popular with wealthy whites in major cities and urban blacks. Mustangs are not popular with wealth whites and are only popular with a very small amount of blacks.

Keep telling yourself that. The H3 and to a lesser extent the H2 were vehicles for people that wanted to pretend they were "somebody."

The Mustang, however, is an American icon.
 
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Keep telling yourself that. The H3 and to a lesser extent the H2 were vehicles for people that wanted to pretend they were "somebody."

The Mustang, however, is an American icon.
He's a metrosexual and does not appreciate American muscle cars.
 
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They are popular with a wide array of people and thats the point. Just because you claim they are redneck mobiles doesnt make it so.

Can you find blacks or wealthy/educated who like Mustangs? Sure, but they are in the minority. Likewise, you can find blacks/educated who support cheeto, but they are also in the minority.

On the other hand, it is hard to find a redneck who doesn't like a Mustang. That makes it a redneck car.
 
A pick up truck works better to haul Christmas trees.

I wasn't going to drive a pickup truck from DC to NY and back to DC. I wanted it to go in the heavy snow that NY had that year to be able to go up the hills and get the trees


he was probly watching a movie on hallmark and saw some fag driving one with a christmas tree on top and thought it was cool.

Maybe it was Kobe and he was like, man Kobe has one.
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You guys realize that you're arguing for my point and against your own with these examples, right? One of you argues that a "fag" or "yuppie" on a Hallmark movie was driving one. Clearly, a "fag" or Hallmark character isn't going to be a redneck. The other one of your morons is showing a very wealthy NBA player with his Hummer. Clearly, he isn't a redneck.

Great examples to prove my point.

Keep telling yourself that. The H3 and to a lesser extent the H2 were vehicles for people that wanted to pretend they were "somebody."
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You've spent your entire life in redneckville. You have no idea or experience to know otherwise.

These people all owned Hummers:
Arnold Schwarzenegger had three of them, Tom Clancy, Kobe Bryant, Paris Hilton (a pink one), Lebron James, Queen Latifah, Montel Williams, Al Unser Sr. and Al Unser Jr. each had one, Tony Stewart, Donovan McNabb, Reggie Bush, Michael Dell, Wyclef, James Cameron, Dennis Rodman, Britney Spears, David Beckham, Adrien Brody, 50 Cent, Pam Anderson, Roseanne, Mike Tyson bought six, Don King, Ted Turner, Andre Agassi, Karl Malone, Justin Timberlake, Coolio, Demi Moore, Ashton Kutcher, Evander Holyfield.

Those are highly successful people from all walks of life and all backgrounds who had Hummers. The Hummer was THE vehicle for celebrities and the wealthy in the early part of this century until the G-wagon started getting more popular around 2005-2008.

The Mustang, however, is an American icon.

Which doesn't make it any less of a redneck car.
 
The Civilian Hummer is one of the worst cars ever produced on the market. What a piece of shit. It wasn't even a real hummer. Only ones I knew of were guys that tried to be uppity rednecks. Only ones I knew of were guys that were trying to be uppity. Then, the damn things would break down and got 4 mpg.

And Yags, they make trucks with 4 wheel drive.
 
I wasn't going to drive a pickup truck from DC to NY and back to DC. I wanted it to go in the heavy snow that NY had that year to be able to go up the hills and get the trees






You guys realize that you're arguing for my point and against your own with these examples, right? One of you argues that a "fag" or "yuppie" on a Hallmark movie was driving one. Clearly, a "fag" or Hallmark character isn't going to be a redneck. The other one of your morons is showing a very wealthy NBA player with his Hummer. Clearly, he isn't a redneck.

Great examples to prove my point.



You've spent your entire life in redneckville. You have no idea or experience to know otherwise.

These people all owned Hummers:
Arnold Schwarzenegger had three of them, Tom Clancy, Kobe Bryant, Paris Hilton (a pink one), Lebron James, Queen Latifah, Montel Williams, Al Unser Sr. and Al Unser Jr. each had one, Tony Stewart, Donovan McNabb, Reggie Bush, Michael Dell, Wyclef, James Cameron, Dennis Rodman, Britney Spears, David Beckham, Adrien Brody, 50 Cent, Pam Anderson, Roseanne, Mike Tyson bought six, Don King, Ted Turner, Andre Agassi, Karl Malone, Justin Timberlake, Coolio, Demi Moore, Ashton Kutcher, Evander Holyfield.

Those are highly successful people from all walks of life and all backgrounds who had Hummers. The Hummer was THE vehicle for celebrities and the wealthy in the early part of this century until the G-wagon started getting more popular around 2005-2008.



Which doesn't make it any less of a redneck car.


So you've spent your life chasing after wannabe celebrities so you can get your picture taken with them. That would probably explain why you're defending the ultimate wannabe vehicle. I'd love to see how many from your list drove actual Hummers though. I'm guessing not many drove a H2 or H3.

You are really falling off your game lately. Anybody can do a Google search for "Which celebrities drive <insert type of car here>."

Here's a list of Mustang owners.
Tom Cruise
The Rock
Sean Penn
Sly Stallone
Jay Leno
Jim Morrison
Bill Clinton
Steve McQueen
Bruce Willis
Liam Hemsworth
Eminem
Charlie Sheen
Patrick Dempsey
Tim Allen
Kendall Jenner
John Mayer
Funkmaster Flex
Nelly
Amber Heard
Aaron Paul

And that's just what I could find in the last 5 minutes before leaving the office. Imagine if I could do this all day, like you.
 
The Civilian Hummer is one of the worst cars ever produced on the market. What a piece of shit. It wasn't even a real hummer. Only ones I knew of were guys that tried to be uppity rednecks. Only ones I knew of were guys that were trying to be uppity. Then, the damn things would break down and got 4 mpg.

And Yags, they make trucks with 4 wheel drive.

Well, I just posted a long list of extremely diverse, highly successful people from all walks of life who weren't trying to be "uppity" that all owned Hummers. Claiming what you morons did is foolish considering Hummers were the go-to cars for celebrities from the late '90s until around 2005.

I realize that about pickup trucks, but my point was that I wasn't going to drive one that far, because pickup trucks are also redneck cars. At my last school, I was offered a car for free to use for my length of employment. Most of the coaches chose a pickup. Not me. Why? Because it's a redneck car if you aren't using it for work purposes.

So you've spent your life chasing after wannabe celebrities so you can get your picture taken with them.
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This is great. I make a comment about you that is purely fact based (you've lived your entire life in Redneckville). In response, you try using a line that you previously failed at using on Facebook, that is clearly bogus, and that doesn't even have any logic associated with it.

Why would I chase after "wannabe celebrities"? Wouldn't it make sense for me to chase after real celebrities? See how you have no logic in your attempts?

And why would I care to get my picture with a celebrity let alone a "wannabe celebrity"? You realize that for every picture I have with a celebrity (not a wannabe' celebrity, as you claim), I am around at least 5 times that many? If I cared about getting a picture, wouldn't I take them with every celebrity I am with instead of about 20% where their team/photographer asks to take a picture? What your redneck mind fails to understand is that all of these musicians on tour have a photographer(s) who are on their payroll and travel with them. So if I am meeting up with them, their photographer realizes who I am and is paid and told to get pictures/videos of me with the artist. It's not something exclusive to just me. That happens with the others, too. For instance, tomorrow night I will be meeting up with Rob Thomas. A couple of nights ago, Rob took his band to watch Santana's show. What happened? Santana's photographer took pictures of all of them with Santana. Do you think Rob and/or his band chased Santana around asking for a picture? Of course not. The photographer is paid to do that when certain people are with their subject (the artist). I am sure Rob's photographer will take pictures of us together tomorrow before we head to his bus to play some of our recent stuff for each other. That's what happens and is no way exclusive to just me.

That would probably explain why you're defending the ultimate wannabe vehicle.
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Frankly, you're too stupid to have a discussion with. Your original claim was that Hummers were the epitome of redneck. That clearly failed on your part, so then you tried arguing that they were the epitome of wannabes. I quickly posted a long list of very successful celebrities, including billionaires, who owned Hummers. Clearly, they weren't "wannabes" driving them. So are Hummers the epitome of rednecks or the epitome of wannabes, because a long list showed them to be desired vehicles from neither of those groups. Hell, there are articles online that are solely about Hummers being the top choice of vehicles for celebrities during that time period.

You are really falling off your game lately. Anybody can do a Google search for "Which celebrities drive <insert type of car here>."

Well, no shit, moron. What does that have to do with "really falling off your game lately" or somehow refuting my point? My point was to show that your claims (your failed claim that Hummers were the epitome of redneck and your other failed claim that they were wannabe vehicles) were entirely bogus. I gave a long list of people who are far above wannabes who owned Hummers. Why would doing a Google search to get a long list to prove my point somehow be reflective of "falling off your game lately"? Christ, the stupidity is rampant with you.

Here's a list of Mustang owners.
Tom Cruise
The Rock
Sean Penn
Sly Stallone
Jay Leno
Jim Morrison
Bill Clinton
Steve McQueen
Bruce Willis
Liam Hemsworth
Eminem
Charlie Sheen
Patrick Dempsey
Tim Allen
Kendall Jenner
John Mayer
Funkmaster Flex
Nelly
Amber Heard
Aaron Paul
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Really, stick to fabricating and telling people that you "used to date the same girl Rifle used to date," because trying to post something intelligent isn't an asset of yours.

Go back and read this thread again. Did you see what I said? I said that you can find non-rednecks who like Mustangs, just like you can find non-rednecks who will support cheeto. So your attempt to show celebrities who own Mustangs (most which are all classics, which negates much of the redneck appeal) does nothing to refute my argument. However, the majority of both redneck enthusiasts and cheeto supporters are rednecks.

As I said, you can't find a redneck who doesn't like a Mustang, just like you can't find a yuppie who doesn't like a Volvo or a hippie who doesn't like a VW. Hence, a Mustang is a redneck car, a Volvo is a yuppie car, and a VW is a hippie car.

Do you see how your list of celebrities who own a Mustang does nothing to refute my comment?

Amber Heard

Perfect to mention her, right on cue. Today, I posted a picture of Amber and me taken about ten days ago. A mutual friend doesn't like her recent boyfriend, knew we were both in the same city, and wanted to hook us up. So after talking in a group chat, we met up for lunch. Due to a great view while eating, Amber took pictures of us together on her cell phone. She later invited me to go to an event with her that she was obligated to go to. As you can tell by the quality of this picture, it definitely wasn't taken by a cell phone. It was yet another paid photographer who asked to take a picture of us, which I had no way of getting my hands on, but which was sent to me days later by Amber. I guess I just happened to chase her, found a professional photog to take a picture, and somehow was able to get that picture, huh?

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Another example: Here is Farrah Abraham. Do you think I chased her around just hoping that a professional photographer would take a picture of me standing next to her, eating the exact same thing, etc.? Or maybe it just happens when you're with celebrities and you don't have to "chase them around."

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Oh, and here I am again with her on a different night with Brie Larson. I guess I just got lucky and was able to chase them around successfully again and was asked to take a picture with her cell:

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Oh, and here I am with Farrah again on a different night when she was wasted and I was just in workout clothes. I guess I just happened to get lucky chasing her for a picture when we both happened to be going up to the same hotel room, right?

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You should move on to a different attempt since you've failed at this one too many times.
 
Yags, do you have some chew in? Looks like might have some chew? Levi Garrett or maybe some Red Man? I have never heard of any of those people you are with. But, we rednecks know our cars. A King Ranch or a decked out Silverado is a nice ass ride and better for hauling Christmas trees.

Plus, you might pick up some different women who like trucks. Remember than chick that was dating the Alfred E Neuman cowboy? I bet he has a nice truck.
 
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Yags, do you have some chew in?

No, people who drive Mustangs chew.

I have never heard of any of those people you are with.

Amber was the co-star in Aquaman with Jason Momoa, Nicole Kidman, Patrick Wilson, William Dafoe, and Dolph Lundgren. She was also Mera in Justice League. Both movies are DC Comics movies, so I haven't seen either.

She dated Elon Musk for a few months, and prior to that, was married to Johnny Depp.

Farrah was the original "Teen Mom" on MTV ten years ago. She was on Celebrity Big Brother in the same cast as Jenna Jameson, Daniel Baldwin, Janice Dickinson, etc., has been on a bunch of other MTV shows, has released music, and made a porn.
 
Autocross and local drag strip? Yes, the epitome of redneck.

I've never met a redneck at autocross. It's almost like you don't know what you are talking about.

Autocross is generally nerds. Car nerds, but still nerds. Nerds in Miatas, VW GTI's, Jap cars, and BMW's. Then there are the richer nerds in Porsches and Corvettes. And then there are the even richer nerds in weird, fast shit like Ariel Atoms (because no one is daily driving an Ariel Atom unless they have balls the size of grapefruits, obviously they bought that for one thing only). Only nerds stress about how to shave off a couple thousands of a second on their times. Then there are the nerds that trailer in perfectly normal cars, three sets of tires, all kinds of shit. Big nerds.

The days of the dragstrip being all redneck are long gone (really it never was all redneck, I guess you saw whitepeople and assumed). These days it is a lot of tuners with big turbos and computers in the car. More...nerds.
 
H3...EL OH EL

H3s went for like $40k loaded. Yeah, I'm sure there were hells of rich people breaking dealer doors down to get one. Just couldn't wait!

Deer lourde I hope yore trolling. If not, fvck me to tears, yore nothing more than an uppity wannabe piece of white trash . . . not that anybody who's read your posts didn't think already anyhow.
 
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I've never met a redneck at autocross. It's almost like you don't know what you are talking about.

Autocross is generally nerds. Car nerds, but still nerds. Nerds in Miatas, VW GTI's, Jap cars, and BMW's. Then there are the richer nerds in Porsches and Corvettes. And then there are the even richer nerds in weird, fast shit like Ariel Atoms (because no one is daily driving an Ariel Atom unless they have balls the size of grapefruits, obviously they bought that for one thing only). Only nerds stress about how to shave off a couple thousands of a second on their times. Then there are the nerds that trailer in perfectly normal cars, three sets of tires, all kinds of shit. Big nerds.

The days of the dragstrip being all redneck are long gone (really it never was all redneck, I guess you saw whitepeople and assumed). These days it is a lot of tuners with big turbos and computers in the car. More...nerds.

You don't see Mustangs there. As you said, you see Jap cars, BMWs, etc.

Mustangs are at drag strips. Redneck. Mustangs are at the tracks. Rednecks.

H3...EL OH EL

H3s went for like $40k loaded. Yeah, I'm sure there were hells of rich people breaking dealer doors down to get one. Just couldn't wait!

$40K in 2006 is over $50,000 today. $50K is an expensive car, almost always luxury (outside of the huge, loaded pickups of today). And Hummers aren't exclusive to just H3s.
 
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