The United States of American needs to pull out of Ukraine, completely.

[i am herdman]

Hell with them and hell with Russia. Let them duke it out if they want to. But, we don't need to be a part of the escalation and slaughter of thousands upon thousands of people and getting more involvement that risks American men and women going into the slaughter. We do not need to risk the escalation of a wider war over Ukraine and Russia continuing a thousand years of fighting over borders and ethnic peoples and who belongs to what.

Get the hell out of there and let them figure it out.

 

[extragreen]

YOU'RE A SLIMY LYING ANTI AMERICAN TREASONOUS COWARD. AND MAGAT.

 

[johns1124]

MSN

Finally, someone who knows what to do.

Here is how: (1) Impose the heaviest sanctions possible; (2) Adopt and supplement retired Admiral James Stavridis' concept of a renewed Reforger by also threatening to, and being prepared to move American and European combat soldiers into Ukraine; (3) Ensure that these troops and the Ukrainians are well-supplied and armed for conventional war, and protected by air support and defenses; and (4) Forcefully meet Putin's anticipated threat to use nuclear weapons with our own threat to do the same. This should bring a cease-fire, meaningful negotiations, and tend to Putin's demise.
Putin masks his weakness by threatening the use of nuclear weapons. So far, he has cowed three presidents with these threats. The risk that Russia would start a nuclear war is no greater than the risk that we would. China and other Russian leaders will not let Putin and his circle go that far.

What I have been saying all along. Put in a no-fly zone.

 

[SamSwimmer]

MSN

Finally, someone who knows what to do.

Here is how: (1) Impose the heaviest sanctions possible; (2) Adopt and supplement retired Admiral James Stavridis' concept of a renewed Reforger by also threatening to, and being prepared to move American and European combat soldiers into Ukraine; (3) Ensure that these troops and the Ukrainians are well-supplied and armed for conventional war, and protected by air support and defenses; and (4) Forcefully meet Putin's anticipated threat to use nuclear weapons with our own threat to do the same. This should bring a cease-fire, meaningful negotiations, and tend to Putin's demise.
Putin masks his weakness by threatening the use of nuclear weapons. So far, he has cowed three presidents with these threats. The risk that Russia would start a nuclear war is no greater than the risk that we would. China and other Russian leaders will not let Putin and his circle go that far.

What I have been saying all along. Put in a no-fly zone.

I disagree. A no-fly zone for Ukraine isn't worth the potential risk & never has been.

 

[i am herdman]

MSN

Finally, someone who knows what to do.

Here is how: (1) Impose the heaviest sanctions possible; (2) Adopt and supplement retired Admiral James Stavridis' concept of a renewed Reforger by also threatening to, and being prepared to move American and European combat soldiers into Ukraine; (3) Ensure that these troops and the Ukrainians are well-supplied and armed for conventional war, and protected by air support and defenses; and (4) Forcefully meet Putin's anticipated threat to use nuclear weapons with our own threat to do the same. This should bring a cease-fire, meaningful negotiations, and tend to Putin's demise.
Putin masks his weakness by threatening the use of nuclear weapons. So far, he has cowed three presidents with these threats. The risk that Russia would start a nuclear war is no greater than the risk that we would. China and other Russian leaders will not let Putin and his circle go that far.

What I have been saying all along. Put in a no-fly zone.

There is zero strategic interest in doing so.

 

[johns1124]

There is zero strategic interest in doing so.

Take the same attitude if he invades a NATO country?

 

[SamSwimmer]

Take the same attitude if he invades a NATO country?

What indications are you seeing that’s going to happen?

 

[raleighherdfan]

Take the same attitude if he invades a NATO country?

Is Ukraine a part of NATO?

 

[HerdandHokies]

Your dad should’ve pulled out of your mom one more time

 

[raleighherdfan]

Your dad should’ve pulled out of your mom one more time

 

[i am herdman]

Take the same attitude if he invades a NATO country?

Ukraine is not part of NATO.

 

[30CAT]

Your dad should’ve pulled out of your mom one more time

Your dad should have pulled out of your dad one more time, shit baby.

 

[i am herdman]

Take the same attitude if he invades a NATO country?

Ukraine is not part of NATO.

 

[johns1124]

Ukraine is not part of NATO.

Didn't say they were. The question was:

Will you take the same attitude if he invades a NATO country?

 

[herdfan429]

Didn't say they were. The question was:

Will you take the same attitude if he invades a NATO country?

So you're making a straw man argument for what reason?

 

[extragreen]

Maybe johns just wants to know where you putin loving cowards would draw the line?

 

[SamSwimmer]

Didn't say they were. The question was:

Will you take the same attitude if he invades a NATO country?

What attitude will you take if Ukraine is wildly corrupt, their president has cut vital pipelines & blamed it on other countries to inflame tensions, launched missiles that landed in other countries & knowingly blamed it on other another country to inflame tensions, has engaged in despicable acts of conscription against his own citizens, & has made numerous questionable moves (& I do mean numerous questionable moves) to cement his power & prevent being voted out?

 

[i am herdman]

Didn't say they were. The question was:

Will you take the same attitude if he invades a NATO country?

What if they attacked Missouri? They haven't now have they?

 

[extragreen]

What attitude will you take if Ukraine is wildly corrupt, their president has cut vital pipelines & blamed it on other countries to inflame tensions, launched missiles that landed in other countries & knowingly blamed it on other another country to inflame tensions, has engaged in despicable acts of conscription against his own citizens, & has made numerous questionable moves (& I do mean numerous questionable moves) to cement his power & prevent being voted out?

Hypocrisy at its very height.

Says the guy ^^^ who supports and defends his president that is an insurrectionist, cheat, pathological liar, fraudster, convicted felon, coward, and attempted to overturn the results of a free and fair election.

 

[SamSwimmer]

What if they attacked Missouri? They haven't now have they?

democrats would demand we send them even more money

 

[johns1124]

So you're making a straw man argument for what reason?

Simple question. Should the US do nothing if Russia attacked a fellow NATO member? Answer Yes or No.

What if they attacked Missouri? They haven't now have they?

Don't be an idiot. You know what Question I asked.

 

[greengeezer]

No matter how you feel about Ukraine, you have to admit that their drone strike on Russian airfields was pretty cool.

 

[i am herdman]

No matter how you feel about Ukraine, you have to admit that their drone strike on Russian airfields was pretty cool.

That's why people need to wake up. This modern stuff will hit us in the next war. That's why this war needs to stop.

 

[herdfan429]

Simple question. Should the US do nothing if Russia attacked a fellow NATO member? Answer Yes or No.




Don't be an idiot. You know what Question I asked.

Considering we are obligated to support nato members then yes we should do something if Russia attacked a nato member.

 

[raleighherdfan]

Don't be an idiot. You know what Question I asked

The Missouri question is just as relevant.

 

[-CarlHungus-]

This new drone attack (though seemingly effective) seems to open up a new Pandora's box on warfare and doesn't give me warm-and-fuzzy feelings.

Maybe I'm being melodramatic but reading about it I was getting "crossing the Rubicon" vibes.

 

[i am herdman]

This new drone attack (though seemingly effective) seems to open up a new Pandora's box on warfare and doesn't give me warm-and-fuzzy feelings.

Maybe I'm being melodramatic but reading about it I was getting "crossing the Rubicon" vibes.

It does little to zero to help Ukraine on the battlefield. They likely did it to try to escalate the war and gain more support from us and whoever else. This won't remove Russia from one inch of Ukraine soil.

The unfortunate things is we have Senators and Congressmen who want to drag our young men into a war that has no bearing on the American people. Ukraine means nothing to the American people and way of life.

 

[extragreen]

It does little to zero to help Ukraine on the battlefield. They likely did it to try to escalate the war and gain more support from us and whoever else. This won't remove Russia from one inch of Ukraine soil.

The unfortunate things is we have Senators and Congressmen who want to drag our young men into a war that has no bearing on the American people. Ukraine means nothing to the American people and way of life.

You're a lying coward and idiot, just like Taco, your Magat In Chief.

 

[-CarlHungus-]

 

[i am herdman]

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The next attack could make 9-11 look like a warm up game.

 

[herdfan06]

What I have been saying all along. Put in a no-fly zone.

You can only put in a no-fly zone if you are willing to enforce it.

 

[SamSwimmer]

You can only put in a no-fly zone if you are willing to enforce it.

Which would be insane.

 

[herdfan06]

Which would be insane.

Yep. It would be one sure way to join the fight.

 

[johns1124]

that's not what this thread is about, though. why are the hypocrite mentally deranged assholes now all up in arms about kicking illegals out when you know their manmade vaginas were creaming

Talking about "manmade vaginas", this thread is full of them.

 

[SamSwimmer]

Talking about "manmade vaginas", this thread is full of them.

Thinking a no-fly zone is a good idea is irrational, offers no forethought, & will only make an already dangerous situation worse. Talk about vagina behavior…

 

[johns1124]

Thinking a no-fly zone is a good idea is irrational, offers no forethought, & will only make an already dangerous situation worse.

Not a dangerous situation.

The smell of estrogen permeates this place.

 

[raleighherdfan]

John's is packing his bags for Ukraine. Heading over to volunteer for the fight.

 

[i am herdman]

Talking about "manmade vaginas", this thread is full of them.

You ain't the one going to be fighting the war.

 

[i am herdman]

Not a dangerous situation.

The smell of estrogen permeates this place.

You are using someone else's balls.

 

[SamSwimmer]

Not a dangerous situation.

The smell of estrogen permeates this place

It’s logical & sane that one hasn’t been implemented. Even Biden (Blinken) wasn’t crazy enough to risk it.