This is pure and utter BS!!!!

[extragreen]

What was your point?

"If you are going to try to start a union you better make sure you have enough of the employees to vote for one.

if not, you gone."

______you


"How would you go about finding out if you have enough to vote for a union without that knowledge reaching the owner or upper management?"

______me

 

[i am herdman]

"If you are going to try to start a union you better make sure you have enough of the employees to vote for one.

if not, you gone."

______you


"How would you go about finding out if you have enough to vote for a union without that knowledge reaching the owner or upper management?"

______me

Well, can't blame the company there if the folks trying to organize a union fail they brought that on themselves.

I worked at a place and they thought they had enough votes. There were like 150 voting and they thought they had 90 votes. People were just telling them they would vote yes just so they would STFU. They never could figure it out.

Vote day was like 120 No to Union and 30 Yes.

Nobody got fired though.

 

[extragreen]

So you're not going to touch this are you?......

""How would you go about finding out if you have enough to vote for a union without that knowledge reaching the owner or upper management?"

 

[i am herdman]

So you're not going to touch this are you?......

""How would you go about finding out if you have enough to vote for a union without that knowledge reaching the owner or upper management?"

So what's the question?

I told you. The company can guess as to who is voting for what. They can't ask the workers. They don't have access to who signed the pledge cards or told them who has told the union they are going to vote for it.

They can have meetings as a group and tout the company and the company merits just like the union can. But, they don't know who has signed a pledge card or has given the union a verbal thumbs up. They can't pull people in one by one and ask them are they a company man or not. They would not touch that with a ten foot pole(at least they didn't when I was working at this place). The company had so many(a couple of few) meetings like our benefits are great and this and that. The union guys would put more pressure than the company did. The union went by its pledges to vote yes and the company has its PR campaign as well(but never a pledge vote). Nobody ever knew who voted for what.

Other than that, I am not sure what you are asking.

 

[extragreen]

So what's the question?

I told you. The company can guess as to who is voting for what. They can't ask the workers. They don't have access to who signed the pledge cards or told them who has told the union they are going to vote for it.

They can have meetings as a group and tout the company and the company merits just like the union can. But, they don't know who has signed a pledge card or has given the union a verbal thumbs up. They can't pull people in one by one and ask them are they a company man or not. They would not touch that with a ten foot pole.

I am not sure what you are asking.

No, you're avoiding the question. If YOU work in a business, and YOU want to organize a union, how do YOU go about doing that without the boss or upper management finding out YOU are involved in the process?

 

[i am herdman]

No, you're avoiding the question. If YOU work in a business, and YOU want to organize a union, how do YOU go about doing that without the boss or upper management finding out YOU are involved in the process?

Well you can't legally. There is whole legal process to go through on both sides. You can just say I am organizing a union. you have to get so many people to go for it and then there is a formal request made by the union and then the workers are legally protected and everybody on both sides lawyers up at that point.

It is not all secret this and that. If you are a loud mouth or vocal person with it then you are going to make a bed in and lie in it. There is no secret we formed a union one day deal with it.

 

[extragreen]

Well you can't legally. There is whole legal process to go through on both sides. You can just say I am organizing a union. you have to get so many people to go for it and then there is a formal request made by the union and then the workers are legally protected and everybody on both sides lawyers up at that point.

It is not all secret this and that. If you are a loud mouth or vocal person with it then you are going to make a bed in and lie in it. There is no secret we formed a union one day deal with it.

They why did you state the following?

"If you are going to try to start a union you better make sure you have enough of the employees to vote for one.

if not, you gone."

______you

 

[i am herdman]

They why did you state the following?

"If you are going to try to start a union you better make sure you have enough of the employees to vote for one.

if not, you gone."

______you

To tell anyone who wants to start a union movement they better have the votes and not be a moron like the ones where I worked.

 

[extragreen]

To tell anyone who wants to start a union movement they better have the votes and not be a moron like the ones where I worked.

""How would you go about finding out if you have enough to vote for a union without that knowledge reaching the owner or upper management?"

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Yep.

 

[extragreen]

 

[houston_herd_fan]

IMO The biggest problem with unions is they have become corrupt. I have worked in 3 different places where there was a union. 2 times as an employee (once as a member and once as an employee in a state where I was not required to join) and on the other side as a member of management.

In all three positions(jobs), the union was all about making money for the union. People saw very little of the union reps actually going to bat for the employees on legitimate gripes. They only got involved when the union itself would be able to get the upper hand to benefit the union, not the union members.

 

[extragreen]

IMO The biggest problem with unions is they have become corrupt. I have worked in 3 different places where there was a union. 2 times as an employee (once as a member and once as an employee in a state where I was not required to join) and on the other side as a member of management.

In all three positions(jobs), the union was all about making money for the union. People saw very little of the union reps actually going to bat for the employees on legitimate gripes. They only got involved when the union itself would be able to get the upper hand to benefit the union, not the union members.

You talked to ALL the union members? You asked them for specific incidents? Did they expect the union to be perfect? Did they like their wages, insurance, holiday pay, vacations, breaks, or their job security? Let's now ask a similar non union shop and ask them how they love their management team.......Finally, how do you benefit a union, but not the members?

 

[i am herdman]

""How would you go about finding out if you have enough to vote for a union without that knowledge reaching the owner or upper management?"

For the third time(at least). I told you. When the union folks get enough commitments(through verbal/pledge cards) they can legally force a vote on the company going union or not. That pledge card/agreement is not the actual vote. So, let's say you employ 100 people. You get 51 to say yes we will join the union and they even sign a pledge card with the union then you force the vote. All the company knows is that a criteria has been met to force a vote.

The company does not know who signed the pledge cards. They can guess but they do no know. That pledge card is not an official vote. It is not binding. Your vote is just like when you vote now. You could say I am voting for the union and go in there and not vote for it. if Bill Bob is running around with a Union Yes sticker on then any smart person or even some dumb persons can come to the conclusion that Bill Bob is voting Yes for a Union.

Hence, you better be damn sure your votes are solid and not just lip service.

Again, in my example where I worked they thought they had enough votes but they really didn't and on vote day it got voted down by a pretty large margin.

How damn hard is that to understand? The company can guess and try to put doubt in peoples minds if they so chose. They can't individually talk to a person once the vote for collective bargaining is going to take place.

I am not sure what you are failing to comprehend. It is not that hard to understand.

 

[i am herdman]

You talked to ALL the union members? You asked them for specific incidents? Did they expect the union to be perfect? Did they like their wages, insurance, holiday pay, vacations, breaks, or their job security? Let's now ask a similar non union shop and ask them how they love their management team.......Finally, how do you benefit a union, but not the members?

This is hilarious coming from a guy that has non union employees. Honestly it is.

You would be the first to fight them hand over fist to save your company business.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

 

[extragreen]

For the third time(at least). I told you. When the union folks get enough commitments(through verbal/pledge cards) they can legally force a vote on the company going union or not. That pledge card/agreement is not the actual vote. So, let's say you employ 100 people. You get 51 to say yes we will join the union and they even sign a pledge card with the union then you force the vote. All the company knows is that a criteria has been met to force a vote.

The company does not know who signed the pledge cards. They can guess but they do no know. That pledge card is not an official vote. It is not binding. Your vote is just like when you vote now. You could say I am voting for the union and go in there and not vote for it. if Bill Bob is running around with a Union Yes sticker on then any smart person or even some dumb persons can come to the conclusion that Bill Bob is voting Yes for a Union.

Hence, you better be damn sure your votes are solid and not just lip service.

Again, in my example where I worked they thought they had enough votes but they really didn't and on vote day it got voted down by a pretty large margin.

How damn hard is that to understand? The company can guess and try to put doubt in peoples minds if they so chose. They can't individually talk to a person once the vote for collective bargaining is going to take place.

I am not sure what you are failing to comprehend. It is not that hard to understand.

You're still dancing around the question. I'll ask it another way......when YOU start talking around the shop to your fellow employees about organizing a union, how do you keep the boss or upper management from finding out about it?

 

[extragreen]

This is hilarious coming from a guy that has non union employees. Honestly it is.

You would be the first to fight them hand over fist to save your company business.

You're one of those guys who would whine like a mule to join a union but not pay union dues.

 

[extragreen]

 

[Herd In the Plains]

This is hilarious coming from a guy that has non union employees. Honestly it is.

You would be the first to fight them hand over fist to save your company business.

Herdman, through this discourse with the dumbestgreen youngsters proved you are fully qualified to teach kindergarten!

 

[extragreen]

Herdman, through this discourse with the dumbestgreen youngsters proved you are fully qualified to teach kindergarten!

Open your mouth and breathe, you've deprived your brain of oxygen.

 

[i am herdman]

You're one of those guys who would whine like a mule to join a union but not pay union dues.

Idiot I work on performance based income

 

[extragreen]

Idiot I work on performance based income

I didn't say you didn't moron. You going to answer this question or continue to dance like the little ballerina you are?...........

I'll ask it another way......when YOU start talking around the shop to your fellow employees about organizing a union, how do you keep the boss or upper management from finding out about it?

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

 

[extragreen]

Because it's a systematically organized body of knowledge regarding a particular subject?

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Because it's a systematically organized body of knowledge regarding a particular subject?

 

[extragreen]

Funny huh? Give us the proof of your chemical imbalance. I'll be waiting on that science...........

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

I'll be waiting on that science...........

Will you wait as long as your employees have for health insurance and a living wage?

 

[i am herdman]

Will you wait as long as your employees have for health insurance and a living wage?

Bam

 

[extragreen]

Will you wait as long as your employees have for health insurance and a living wage?

What's wrong pill head, no proof of that mental disease of yours being caused by a chemical imbalance?

 

[extragreen]

Bam

^^^^says the guy whose business failed.

 

[Walden Pond]

Oh, there's plenty of science involved. The science of fleecing. It's just a rich people's club. I don't know the whole story here. Guy probably puts on a suit and drives to Cincinnati once in a while to stick his head in the temple or whatever the hell it's called. Leaves as soon as they pass the collection plate.

As long as he's not on TV crying about how they made him ditch his family, at least some respectability can be kept. Not sure how much though. More than Leah Remini and her short shitty series that's already dead.

 

[i am herdman]

^^^^says the guy whose business failed.

Says the guy who makes less than the kid who cuts grass across the street

 

[extragreen]

Says the guy who makes less than the kid who cuts grass across the street

^^^says the antichrist fan

 

[i am herdman]

^^^says the antichrist fan

Batshit crazy

 

[extragreen]

Batshit crazy

You certainly are.

 

[Walden Pond]

I want to join Canholders Anonymous. Not if it costs money though. Then I'll just pretend I'm in it.

 

[andy4theherd]

as a card carrying member, i strongly recommend Canholders!