Thoughts on this proposal?

[KyMUfan]

No. But the Dems right now still have a bigger tent than the GOP...the GOP is actively the running out their more moderate elected officials.

It will be interesting to see how the many special interest groups will get along going forward as the Democrats become more factious. The DNC has seemingly already ran out, or converted, the few moderates they still had...

I'd be pretty pissed if I had to travel many states away for male health care.

There are a lot of males that are now traveling to other states one way for female health care...

 

[herdfan06]

To be honest I don’t really care morally about the difference between 4 weeks and 28 or 34 or whatever. But once you can induce and it can live a normal life sure, that’s a route out that can be taken. But again that’s assuming good, quick access to birth control and abortion services.

Some people also take the stance that it can be terminated after it has been born, as long as it has not taken its first breath. Do you believe this a reasonable stance or is it a little bit too extreme?

 

[Rock98Dog]

The view is 100% correct.

Simple question, what are the benefits of casual sex other than self gratification? What larger good does it provide to communities and society at large?

What is the value of monogamous relationships?

1. It motivates the pursuit of meaningful, long lasting relationships that result in marriage. Two parent families are the cornerstone of success, any study you want to find shows that three things lead to economic stability, finishing HS, not having a child out of wedlock, and marriage.

2. It would eliminate the billions of dollars in health care cost associated with STDs and AIDS.

3. It eliminates nearly all debate around abortion. The abortion rate of unmarried women is 40 per 100 pregnancies. The rate for married women is 4 per 100. 86% of abortions never occur without sex outside of marriage. That’s over 500,000 eliminated abortions.

I realize the genie isn’t going back in the bottle, but the degradation of our society is largely about the growth of casual sex outside the confines of marriage.

 

[HerdandHokies]

Some people also take the stance that it can be terminated after it has been born, as long as it has not taken its first breath. Do you believe this a reasonable stance or is it a little bit too extreme?

No at that point it’s out and can be adopted. The birth mother no longer has any negative impact from the baby. That’s also why once they can be induced and healthy I’m more open to restrictions on abortion.

I’m aware on in the fringe with this.

 

[HerdandHokies]

The view is 100% correct.

Simple question, what are the benefits of casual sex other than self gratification? What larger good does it provide to communities and society at large?

What is the value of monogamous relationships?

1. It motivates the pursuit of meaningful, long lasting relationships that result in marriage. Two parent families are the cornerstone of success, any study you want to find shows that three things lead to economic stability, finishing HS, not having a child out of wedlock, and marriage.

2. It would eliminate the billions of dollars in health care cost associated with STDs and AIDS.

3. It eliminates nearly all debate around abortion. The abortion rate of unmarried women is 40 per 100 pregnancies. The rate for married women is 4 per 100. 86% of abortions never occur without sex outside of marriage. That’s over 500,000 eliminated abortions.

I realize the genie isn’t going back in the bottle, but the degradation of our society is largely about the growth of casual sex outside the confines of marriage.

Yes, sure, all we must do is control human sexuality and all our problems will melt away.

Signed,

Every culture in human history

 

[herdfan06]

No at that point it’s out and can be adopted. The birth mother no longer has any negative impact from the baby. That’s also why once they can be induced and healthy I’m more open to restrictions on abortion.

I’m aware on in the fringe with this.

It sounds like you do have some moral qualms with abortion.

 

[herdfan06]

I realize the genie isn’t going back in the bottle, but the degradation of our society is largely about the growth of casual sex outside the confines of marriage.

Back in the day we had more "premature" births and girls who went away to help take care of their sick aunt.

 

[HerdandHokies]

It sounds like you do have some moral qualms with abortion.

It’s honestly more utilitarian than moral. There are plenty of homes that’ll take a newborn. Ban abortions and not so much though. Then we’d have to go back to throwing unwanted newborns into the creek.

 

[raleighherdfan]

Then we’d have to go back to throwing unwanted newborns into the creek.

Must be something they used to do in Wayne co. Never heard this one.

 

[HerdandHokies]

Must be something they used to do in Wayne co. Never heard this one.

Worst thing is one of those lived and posts here to this very day

 

[KyMUfan]

It’s a direct quote from their tweet.

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Did you even listen to her? I think she advocated more for responsible sex and less use of hormonal birth control, especially on younger girls and empowering women to make better decisions related to sex partners than what is being projected upon her. Plus she didn't really sound American based on her accent...

You do realize the "Sexual Revolution" was a Trojan Horse created by men not to liberate women but rather to gain more access to sex with them.

We've had three dates and you owe me sex. Everyone is doing it...

Meanwhile STDs have increased including some you live with for life or are life-threatening...

Sexually Transmitted Infections Surveillance, 2022 <B>Error processing SSI file</B><BR>

The most recent statistical data on the three nationally notifiable diseases and more.

www.cdc.gov

"The most alarming concerns center around the syphilis and congenital syphilis epidemics, signaling an urgent need for swift innovation and collaboration from all STI prevention partners."

Empowering women to say no to hormonal birth control... You realize its use is not near as much as your side would like us to believe...

Products - Data Briefs - Number 327 - December 2018

Nearly all women use contraception in their lifetimes (1), although at any given time, they may not be using contraception for reasons such as seeking pregnancy, being pregnant, or not being sexually active. Using data from the 2015–2017 National Survey of Family Growth (NSFG), this report...

www.cdc.gov

• The most common contraceptive methods currently used in the overall age range 15–49 were female sterilization (18.6%), pill (12.6%), LARCs (10.3%), and male condom (8.7%) (Figure 2).

And you do realize there are some regular occurring side effects when you mess with someone's hormones, especially younger people...

Association of Hormonal Contraception With Depression

This nationwide cohort study investigates whether the use of hormonal contraception is positively associated with subsequent use of antidepressants and a diagnosis of depression among women in Denmark.

jamanetwork.com

"In a nationwide prospective cohort study of more than 1 million women living in Denmark, an increased risk for first use of an antidepressant and first diagnosis of depression was found among users of different types of hormonal contraception, with the highest rates among adolescents."

 

[HerdandHokies]

I’m all for looking at the medical effects of hormonal birth control and alternatives, but when someone follows that up by saying they want to return the “consequentially to sex” I can’t really trust that they are coming at it from a position of good faith.

Edit: and I’m not saying that there isn’t consequentiality to sex. I’m saying that I don’t think we need to help there be more.

And ironically a lot of this boils down to sexual education.

 

[KyMUfan]

I’m all for looking at the medical effects of hormonal birth control and alternatives, but when someone follows that up by saying they want to return the “consequentially to sex” I can’t really trust that they are coming at it from a position of good faith.

Only because you can't see the broader picture... There will always be consequences to sex... Emotional and mental issues, wanted and unwanted pregnancies, STDs, etc.

Meanwhile lets take a literal look at banning abortions vs banning white rural Americans...

 

[HerdandHokies]

Meanwhile lets take a literal look at banning abortions vs banning white rural Americans...

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I just cannot figure out why leftists can’t make inroads in rural areas…. We tell them how terrible they are all the time, why haven’t they gotten better

 

[raleighherdfan]

I just cannot figure out why leftists can’t make inroads in rural areas…. We tell them how terrible they are all the time, why haven’t they gotten better

You had them for a solid 60+ years promising you would help them get better. They started to learn the promises were shit. Thus the need for another new 10 million+ poor illegals being allowed in.

 

[KyMUfan]

You had them for a solid 60+ years promising you would help them get better. They started to learn the promises were shit. Thus the need for another new 10 million+ poor illegals being allowed in.

Well said!

 

[KyMUfan]

I just cannot figure out why leftists can’t make inroads in rural areas…. We tell them how terrible they are all the time, why haven’t they gotten better

I get your sarcasm but could you imagine the outrage had a White Christian pastor said the same about urban blacks... And yet you seem to dismiss any claims of a double standard...

 

[HerdandHokies]

I get your sarcasm but could you imagine the outrage had a White Christian pastor said the same about urban blacks... And yet you seem to dismiss any claims of a double standard...

Oh I am very against the very pervasive superiority complex many leftists have.

 

[KyMUfan]

Oh I am very against the very pervasive superiority complex many leftists have.

But yet you wanted to trade for the personification of that very personality trait the other day???

 

[HerdandHokies]

But yet you wanted to trade for the personification of that very personality trait the other day???

Easier to work with that than an actual raving lunatic

 

[KyMUfan]

Easier to work with that than an actual raving lunatic

Yeah, neither bar is very high...😂

 

[Rock98Dog]

Yes, sure, all we must do is control human sexuality and all our problems will melt away.

Signed,

Every culture in human history

So why have laws against murder, robbery, etc.? They have been in every culture in human history, so why not just accept them and move on?

Condoning evil just because it has always been around doesn’t really help. Evil should be called out where it persists.

 

[HerdandHokies]

So why have laws against murder, robbery, etc.? They have been in every culture in human history, so why not just accept them and move on?

Condoning evil just because it has always been around doesn’t really help. Evil should be called out where it persists.

Sex isn’t evil.

Edit: well the kind I have isn’t but I won’t kink shame if yours is

 

[KyMUfan]

Sex isn’t evil.

Rape is sex. Rape is evil.

Words have meanings...

 

[HerdandHokies]

Rape is sex. Rape is evil.

Words have meanings...

 

[Rock98Dog]

Sex isn’t evil.

Edit: well the kind I have isn’t but I won’t kink shame if yours is

Well, sex outside of marriage is amoral and leads to sickness, unwanted pregnancy, divorce due to infidelity, and often emotional pain and suffering. That’s in addition to the wrath of God to stay away from the religious reasoning.

You can feel free to list all the positives beyond short term gratification.

 

[HerdandHokies]

Well, sex outside of marriage is amoral and leads to sickness, unwanted pregnancy, divorce due to infidelity, and often emotional pain and suffering. That’s in addition to the wrath of God to stay away from the religious reasoning.

You can feel free to list all the positives beyond short term gratification.

My premarital sex made my dick feel good

 

[herdfan06]

My premarital sex made my dick feel good

Well that made one of you.

 

[Rock98Dog]

My premarital sex made my dick feel good

As I said, short term self gratification. The negative societal impact it multi-layered. They aren’t wrong in their position.

 

[extragreen]

Must be something they used to do in Wayne co. Never heard this one.

You're a lot stupider than you suppose.

 

[extragreen]

Worst thing is one of those lived and posts here to this very day

You're a lying idiot.

 

[HerdandHokies]

Well that made one of you.

I made their dic hey wait a minute

 

[HerdandHokies]

I think that people who are feverishly anti sex are probably just really bad at it, like for example conservative Twitter right now is denying the existence of the clitoris, which uhhhh

I’m sure rockdawg will be around any second now to tell me how that’s actually a very reasonable thing to say and they have some good points we should consider

 

[KyMUfan]

I think that people who are feverishly anti sex are probably just really bad at it, like for example conservative Twitter right now is denying the existence of the clitoris, which uhhhh

Only after Muslims get done with it... BTW, isn't your side usually siding with Muslims???

Female genital mutilation

Female genital mutilation (FGM) includes procedures that intentionally alter or cause injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons.

www.who.int

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Simple question, what are the benefits of casual sex other than self gratification? What larger good does it provide to communities and society at large?

What is the value of monogamous relationships?

So, you only screw your wife for the purpose of procreation?

 

[HerdandHokies]

So, you only screw your wife for the purpose of procreation?

No no see that’s different because it impacts him not just other people.

 

[KyMUfan]

So, you only screw your wife for the purpose of procreation?

I think you are confusing the terms monogamous with irresponsible. Kind of like you confuse the terms liberal and libertarian...

No no see that’s different because it impacts him not just other people.

See above. Funny that you can't distinguish between responsible and irresponsible behaviors.

Why do we restrict drivers licenses and drinking ages but feel that it is ok for developing adolescents to take hormone and life altering drugs???

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

I think you are confusing the terms monogamous with irresponsible.

I think you are in a permanent state of confusion.

Married couples, monogamous couples, whatever absolutely engage in family planning, using birth control, etc. Will the Heritage Foundation propose that only sluts will be barred from birth control?

If you think those wanting to ban contraception are only concerned about casual sex, you are mistaken.

 

[extragreen]

The abortion rate of unmarried women is 40 per 100 pregnancies.

Nearly all of which could be eliminated if men without a condom didn't crawl between the legs of a woman.

 

[KyMUfan]

I think you are in a permanent state of confusion.

Permanent state of confusion??? I'm not the liberal that thinks that I am a libertarian...

Married couples, monogamous couples, whatever absolutely engage in family planning, using birth control, etc. Will the Heritage Foundation propose that only sluts will be barred from birth control?

If you think those wanting to ban contraception are only concerned about casual sex, you are mistaken.

This got started because lady in stating she had concerns over irresponsible sex and mentioned prescribing hormonal birth control pills several years ago and now it is in the news.

I merely added that less than 13% of childbearing age women and girls took hormonal birth control and there were emotional changes experienced, especially among the younger women.

You and HandH are reading far too much into my posts on this. I'm generally just posting information (that often gets buried on this topic) in this thread.