Read your response to my response. You're trying too hard. Way too hard... You're starting to be a little more like EG every time you post...
Trump: "Christians, if I win you won't ever have to vote again"
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Read your response to my response. You're trying too hard. Way too hard... You're starting to be a little more like EG every time you post...
i was referring to the quote in the title of the thread. yeah, i scatched my head at the christian vote claim, also.
judas priest, what has this nation become when these are the two best we can put forward?
votes will be cast on both sides highly based on a vote against versus a vote for. trump isn't in my top 10 wheel house of candidates i would like to see in office, cumallova isn't in the top 100.
Does he know? We are talking about the guy who asked why we don't use our nuclear weapons.
That makes Trump 10x better than what the Democrats have to offer...
Trump's appeal to many is unlike most getting into politics to "get rich" a la Clinton and Obama he's actually risking his brand and fortune.
I am aware of political identification/lean among various religious demographics.
What one has to differentiate is who actively attend church and who doesn't, and then ask do they vote. Your Pew data gets the first part but does not include the second part.
Why is this important? Less than half of those who identify as Christian do not regularly attend church. I think we know this as common sense, but the numbers are right there in Pew.
Regular church attendance is a form of consistent engagement. Even ignoring political action by churches, it shouldn't be surprising that people who are engaged in an arguably positive aspect of their community are also civically engaged.
General Social Survey, U of Chicago, 2014.
That was my test to see if people actually read the post. Many failed.
Fvckin' aye.
I'm hoping Harris at least has a decent VP choice to give some semblance of respectability to the election. Vance has already been looking like a clown, and I don't trust anyone pushed by Peter Theil.
lol, yore "testing" people on a message board? wtf . . . why in the hell would anybody mistitle a thread and rage about something else?
hey, title of this thread is "sky is blue"
main subject: mcdonalds is dog shit.
yore more fukt in the head than a soup sandwich.
It's the quote in the story that gets all the attention, so it lets people know what conversation I'm referring to.
It's also a mocking of those that only read headlines. I don't do that, and that's why I was more interested in the other part of what he said.
Eh, maybe more like I titled the thread "Buffalo Wild Wings" and talked about their hamburger being shit, but everyone that only read that headline talked about their wings. Which are shit, and you really should just order the hamburger there.
News flash, bleater. He was running at the time of his many stupid blunders, but no trips to your soap box to complain. As I said...Hatred.
is their hamburgers really good? yeah, wings are shit.
the wife saw a facebook recipe for blackstone burgers using tortilla shells so i attempted it last evening. basically, pat out about a half inch burger patty the size of the tortilla and put it on the blackstone burger side down over medium heat for around 10 to 12 minutes. flip burger to tortilla side down and add toppings. let cook another 5 minutes or so.
absolutely, beyond the shadow of a doubt the worst fuhkin burger i've ever prepped in my entire life.
But the talking points are "Christians" vote overwhelming Republican when that just isn't the case. The smaller subset of "Evangelicals" do vote overwhelmingly Republican. Those in the media don't make that distinction and likely don't understand the difference.
I see the media throwing out a 94 million evangelical voting bloc. Do you really think that is accurate?
Gallup says 3 out of 10 US adults regularly attend a religious service. That's roughly 75 million. Think they are all evangelicals?
Gallup: Just 3 in 10 US adults regularly attend religious services - OSV News
(OSV News) -- The pews may be a bit more crowded at Mass this Easter -- but on balance, regular church attendance in the U.S. continues to decline across the board, particularly among Catholics. Gallup poll results released March 25 show that just three in 10 U.S. adults attend religious...
www.osvnews.com
I know churchgoers who won't vote because it is "of the world"...
And I know people who aren't civically engaged who only live to vote, and vote Democrat...
What has happened over the last 10 years?
I don't care who they vote for.
And for this discussion, I only care about active Christians. Regular church attendence. I can go down my block and ask everyone what their religion is, most will say Christian, but I don't see most them going anywhere on Sunday morning. They are cutting the grass, like me.
Define evangelical. I've seen polls combine it with self-described as "born again". I don't agree with that, but that's the kind of hair-splitting that someone who hasn't studied or really lived American religion would understand....I do not expect the big media to get it. I think Gallup puts evengelicals at 12% and Pew puts it as 24%, with Pew doing that combining. Most things I trust Pew more, but I'll take the lower number here.
And again, I am looking at active Christians. The idea here is the church is a place of social interaction, organization, and action. And it's effective.
This is like saying many Christians don't use electricity because you know a couple Amish folks.
Engagement was high in 2016 and 2020, but I don't have crunched and corrected for variable numbers on those.
The burgers are edible.
It's some sad shit, I remember when BW3 (not this new name, ain't the same) had EXCELLENT wings. Quarter wing night with two dollar drafts. Those were the days.
News flash: I will ALWAYS care more about what my former party does. You freaks burned down my house.
What you SOB's have done to the GOP makes me feel like the Native Americans after the white man handed out smallpox blankets and whiskey, stole their land and raped it for its wealth.
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I'm a registered Independent. I left both parties.
You finally admit you're a party-loyaltist and not loyal to your country.
Please elaborate on what happened to the Republican party and what makes Democrats so much better.
I know why I left both parties and would easily be able to explain and I can also explain how the Democrat party is now full of socialists, Marxists and America-haters.
Please tell us the evil that the Republican party is.
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More proof you can't read. Or that you are a liar, but that's EG's job to call.
There's plenty of reading available on this, unfortunately you are not good at it.
I don't see where I said that. Again, you either can't read or you are a liar.
You belonged to both parties? You've got me beat, flip flopper.
Then why take issue with Christians voting, who they vote for and voting their faith?
Good luck figuring that out. I pretty sure people might inflate their church attendance when talking to pollsters... Just like your neighbors saying they are Christian when they haven't darkened the doors of a church in decades...
"Born again" can be construed as regional or denominational (or non-denominational) instead of widespread national usage.
I think you may be wrong on the lower number though I feel you want it to be lower, hence your leaning that way. The mainline denominations (Presbyterian Church USA, United Methodist Church, etc.) are bleeding memberships, closing churches and splitting up. There are countless "Evangelical" Presbyteries currently growing and in 2022 the Global Methodist Church spun off from the UMC and now has over 4k congregations.
I think evangelicals are those churchgoers whose primary goal is to "evangelize" the nations first with a secondary focus on feeding and clothing the poor.
Interestinglly over the years I have read several Mainline Protestant decrees and/or statements. Often they mention the United Nations but not Jesus Christ. I dont think I've ever witnessed that with an evangelical church or denomination...
Active Christians (regular church goers - both Catholic and Mainline Protestants) generally view church as a social organization and their works (mainly social justice - poor, needy, hungry) mainly social in nature. Evangelicals and non-denominationals emphasis the spiritual aspects of church and place more of an emphasis on worship and bringing the lost to Christ.
You seem to think and critique people and things in black and white. My assessment is not mutually exclusive but that seems to be the trend.
Bad analogy and you don't need to refute every single thing someone says. Comparing Amish to average churchgoers??? One is institutional, one is not.
I have encountered several churchgoers that when the topic of politics came up they have said it is worldly and no concern of theirs. This was more common 30 years ago than today and the Scripture they used was "Don’t be conformed to the world..."
Some church leaders countered that with "Render unto Caesar..." to encourage Christians to vote.
From a somewhat recent NYT article that follows what I said earlier and just repeated:
"In the early 1970s, many evangelical Christians weren’t active in politics. Within a few years they had reshaped American politics for a generation."
Also included in this article is a reference to the social aspects of Jimmy Carter's "liberal" theology:
"As president, he put liberal aspects of his Baptist tradition front and center, whether appealing for racial equality, lamenting economic disparity or making human rights concerns integral to American foreign policy. What he did not win were the hearts and minds of his white co-religionists."
I think Trump energized that bloc in both elections. I wonder what the turnouts were for Romney, McCain, mid-years, etc.
Your actions prove it.
Figured as much. You have no answer(s).
You're a bleating hater. Just like all bleaters, you have no idea. You are just a party-loyaltist and you hate because you're told to.
Doesn't surprise me
Flip flopper? It’s called waking up and not being a party-loyaltist like you are.
Independents are growing in quantity and that's a good thing, bleater
I don't care who they vote for in this conversation. It has no one thing to do with it.
I do find it odd that people who told me character matters in politics would vote for someone with unquestionably very poor character.
Nah, the numbers turn out to be lower than you would think.
Church attendence does not make one a Christian. Not that I want to have a theological talk, this isn't about that, but you should know better.
Why would I want it to be lower? How would that apply to this conversation? The conversation in which I am applauding active Christians for voting?
Jesus Christ. Again, this isn't about theology.
Church is a SOCIAL place. Are you evangelical? Let's assume so for this next part. Are you telling me no one at your church talks to anyone else there? Not friends with anyone there? No one goes out for Sunday brunch together after church? "Bringing the lost to Christ" is ACTION. You have a mission and take steps to do it. Are you trying to tell me evangelical churches do not organize food pantries? They have no outreach? That's preposterous. These things take ORGANIZATION.
This is all good stuff. It's stuff that says people have their shit together. How does it apply to turning out to vote? Look, if you are trying to bring the lost in your community to Christ, you obviously care about your community. People who give a damn are more likely to vote. This isn't rocket science.
You forget this is the life I grew up in. I'm quite familiar with it.
I bet you have a buggy. Can you get a crew together to build me a barn?
Says the guy that refutes everything I say. Weirdo.
I'm not your friend.
Because you realize you are illiterate. Or full of shit.
It was a figure of speech. But yes, good correction as I don't befriend idiots. You will have to look to baldy and the cuck for that here.
Isn't that the point of elections? Who votes for whom?
And yet Saul was called to be Paul...
The Bible and history are full of imperfect people being called to lead in difficult times. I quoted Winston Churchill earlier today. He was a heavy drinker and made a ton of mistakes early in his life but he was the man to lead Britain in WWII.
Is a Jew a Jew simply because their parents were? Even though that don't worship or follow any Jewish practices? But is someone who has not attended a church service as an adult or ever read the Bible really a Christian?
Again your black and white mindset gets in your way. I didn't say not going to church prevents someone from being a Christian. I said many who identify are non-practicing and likely non-believers... YOU should know better than that.
Jesus Christ about theology...
You want to discuss the voting trends of Christians and qualify it with "it's not about theology"??? You appear dumber and dumber...
Again your black and white thinking gets in the way. It's not all or nothing... I said "mainly".... Evangelicals know the Gospel is a better sell when the audience has full stomachs...
And yet you constantly harp on people about "reading comprehension"...
No... Sadly I think it is you that has forgotten...
I mainly refute your insistence that you're a "libertarian"...
Just look at your last 10 posts. Heck, just look at this thread...
Says the liberal that thinks he a "libertarian"...
