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trump disparages the white house - says "it's a real dump"

This reminds me of the time I got caught stealing a quart of Stroh's from Uno's grocery store back in '76. Old woman saw me swipe it, but I ran out the store with it, went up into the woods and drank it. 45 minutes later, went home, and the old man busted my ass for stealing it. Made me drive back down to the store, and he gave her a buck for the quart of Stroh's. Did that make me lesser of a thief, since the old man reimbursed her for the quart?
 
It was meant to convey exactly what I said. The Clintons liked the White House and the gifts they received while in office so much they felt entitled to take those gifts and furnishings with them when they left. It is a matter of fact and is not in doubt as having occurred. No lie here other than you lying that their was a lie.
 
It was meant to convey exactly what I said. The Clintons liked the White House and the gifts they received while in office so much they felt entitled to take those gifts and furnishings with them when they left. It is a matter of fact and is not in doubt as having occurred. No lie here other than you lying that their was a lie.

They are entitled to those gifts and to take them wherever they wish. It was found later some of the gifts were meant for the white house rather than the Clinton's personally. When that was discovered the gifts were returned and the Clinton's reimbursed the govt appx $86,000? more than what was required to avoid any appearance of impropriety. You posted with the intention to represent those facts as something immoral or illegal
and that constitutes a LIE.
 
So who's really lying here? They overpaid $86,000.00? I don't see that anywhere. Oh well we can also debate what "is" is when it refers to clintons.

"The president must report gifts over a certain value; during most of the Clinton years, the amount was $250, though today it is $350. When Bill Clinton completed his term, he submitted a final disclosure form that listed roughly $190,000 in gifts.

Clinton’s itemized list caught the eye of the Washington Post and provided plenty of fodder for the curious. People gave the president a notable quantityof golf clubs. Movie star Sylvester Stallone gave him a pair of boxing gloves. Filmmaker Steven Spielberg sent him china. And one Steve Mittman from New York gave him two sofas, an easy chair and ottoman worth $19,900.

The problem was, Mittman and a few others included on the list said they never intended their gifts to go to the Clintons. They thought they were donating to the White House itself as part a major remodeling project in 1993.

This is where the questions of provenance get muddy. Some gifts are intended for the government, and must stay in the government’s hands, while some are intended for the person living in the White House. But it’s not always as simple as "this is mine" and "that is Uncle Sam’s."

Within about two weeks of the publication of thePost article, public criticism escalated, and the Clintons announced that they would pay the government nearly $86,000 for items that were actuallygovernment property. A few days after that, they also returned about $48,000 worth of furniture (including the sofas, chair and ottoman from Mittman).

Add that up and the government got back $134,000 out of the $190,000 the Clinton’s had declared as gifts. But as an indication of how hard it is to determine ownership, the National Park Service, which oversees the White House property, later returned a chair and an ottoman to the Clintons.

The House investigates

The House Committee on Government Reform looked into the fracas over the Clintons’ gifts. While its report never accused the former first family of criminal wrongdoing, it noted shortcomings in how gifts were processed, saying there was no independent assessment of gifts and that some had likely been undervalued.

For example, lawmakers were skeptical of the estimated value of $240 for a John Quincy Adams-signed original land grant from 1826. There was also a large Coach leather travel bag, which the White House estimated at $200 but which investigators found priced at $498 to $698, and a Tiffany necklace valued at $150 but that Tiffany's valued at $450 to $1,000.

There were instances of a twisted paper trail in which the National Park Service thanked donors for certain items but never formally added them to the permanent White House collection, which meant the Clintons could take them for themselves or for the Clinton Library.

The committee found that giving things to the White House and its occupants was governed by several laws and six federal offices and agencies. Its overall conclusion was that the systemwas too complicated and left the government vulnerable. "Since the current system is subject to abuse and political interference, there is a need for centralized accountability in one agency staffed by career employees," it said.

Among the aspects of the case that lawmakers found troubling was the apparent violation of the ban on soliciting gifts. It’s fine under the law to accept someone’s generosity, but you can’t tell them what you want. This came up in regards to a portion of the goods the Clintons kept -- about $38,000 worth of goods given to Hillary Clinton in December 2000. That was after she won her Senate race in New York, but before she took office, at which point accepting such gifts would have violated Senate rules. Clinton had created a gift registry at Borsheim’s Fine Jewelry and Gifts. This yielded 16 rimmed soup bowls worth $2,352 and a soup tureen worth $1,365, among other items.

Even before the registry episode, the White House had retainedan interior decorator who, according to the report, coordinated 43 of the 45 furniture gifts received over the Clintons’ eight years.

Kathleen Clark focuses on government ethics law at Washington University in St. Louis. For her, that interior decorator raised a flag. "I don’t know how you coordinate gifts without soliciting them," Clark said.

Ultimately, the first family retained 227 of 14,770 gifts given over the eight years."
 
All told, the Clintons paid back or returned approximately $136,000 worth of furniture, artwork, china and other household items they had kept upon leaving office, with $86,000 of that total consisting of personal gifts they would presumably have been allowed to retain but decided to pay for to avoid the appearance of impropriety.

_____snopes
 
so, at the end of the day, the bitch took $136,000 of shit that didn't belong to her. has the person(s) that delivered the news to them that they had to return or pay for items taken mysteriously committed suicide yet?
 
so, at the end of the day, the bitch took $136,000 of shit that didn't belong to her. has the person(s) that delivered the news to them that they had to return or pay for items taken mysteriously committed suicide yet?

No, malarkey brain.
About $50,000 of the total comprised items they had removed but were later determined to belong to the government.
 
So who's really lying here? They overpaid $86,000.00? I don't see that anywhere. Oh well we can also debate what "is" is when it refers to clintons.

"The president must report gifts over a certain value; during most of the Clinton years, the amount was $250, though today it is $350. When Bill Clinton completed his term, he submitted a final disclosure form that listed roughly $190,000 in gifts.

Clinton’s itemized list caught the eye of the Washington Post and provided plenty of fodder for the curious. People gave the president a notable quantityof golf clubs. Movie star Sylvester Stallone gave him a pair of boxing gloves. Filmmaker Steven Spielberg sent him china. And one Steve Mittman from New York gave him two sofas, an easy chair and ottoman worth $19,900.

The problem was, Mittman and a few others included on the list said they never intended their gifts to go to the Clintons. They thought they were donating to the White House itself as part a major remodeling project in 1993.

This is where the questions of provenance get muddy. Some gifts are intended for the government, and must stay in the government’s hands, while some are intended for the person living in the White House. But it’s not always as simple as "this is mine" and "that is Uncle Sam’s."

Within about two weeks of the publication of thePost article, public criticism escalated, and the Clintons announced that they would pay the government nearly $86,000 for items that were actuallygovernment property. A few days after that, they also returned about $48,000 worth of furniture (including the sofas, chair and ottoman from Mittman).

Add that up and the government got back $134,000 out of the $190,000 the Clinton’s had declared as gifts. But as an indication of how hard it is to determine ownership, the National Park Service, which oversees the White House property, later returned a chair and an ottoman to the Clintons.

The House investigates

The House Committee on Government Reform looked into the fracas over the Clintons’ gifts. While its report never accused the former first family of criminal wrongdoing, it noted shortcomings in how gifts were processed, saying there was no independent assessment of gifts and that some had likely been undervalued.

For example, lawmakers were skeptical of the estimated value of $240 for a John Quincy Adams-signed original land grant from 1826. There was also a large Coach leather travel bag, which the White House estimated at $200 but which investigators found priced at $498 to $698, and a Tiffany necklace valued at $150 but that Tiffany's valued at $450 to $1,000.

There were instances of a twisted paper trail in which the National Park Service thanked donors for certain items but never formally added them to the permanent White House collection, which meant the Clintons could take them for themselves or for the Clinton Library.

The committee found that giving things to the White House and its occupants was governed by several laws and six federal offices and agencies. Its overall conclusion was that the systemwas too complicated and left the government vulnerable. "Since the current system is subject to abuse and political interference, there is a need for centralized accountability in one agency staffed by career employees," it said.

Among the aspects of the case that lawmakers found troubling was the apparent violation of the ban on soliciting gifts. It’s fine under the law to accept someone’s generosity, but you can’t tell them what you want. This came up in regards to a portion of the goods the Clintons kept -- about $38,000 worth of goods given to Hillary Clinton in December 2000. That was after she won her Senate race in New York, but before she took office, at which point accepting such gifts would have violated Senate rules. Clinton had created a gift registry at Borsheim’s Fine Jewelry and Gifts. This yielded 16 rimmed soup bowls worth $2,352 and a soup tureen worth $1,365, among other items.

Even before the registry episode, the White House had retainedan interior decorator who, according to the report, coordinated 43 of the 45 furniture gifts received over the Clintons’ eight years.

Kathleen Clark focuses on government ethics law at Washington University in St. Louis. For her, that interior decorator raised a flag. "I don’t know how you coordinate gifts without soliciting them," Clark said.

Ultimately, the first family retained 227 of 14,770 gifts given over the eight years."
Did Bill declare any of the money he took from China for our missile tech?
 
No, malarkey brain.
About $50,000 of the total comprised items they had removed but were later determined to belong to the government.
so, the crooked cvnt stole $50K worth of things from the government. that makes it much better. glad to know she doesn't steal property worth more than $100K, just property worth around $50K.

hell, she's not only a conniving murderous cvnt, she's a thief, also. one which beta cuck libs, like yourself, are proud of themselves for supporting.
 
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so, the crooked cvnt stole $50K worth of things from the government. that makes it much better. glad to know she doesn't steal property worth more than $100K, just property worth around $50K.

hell, she's not only a conniving murderous cvnt, she's a thief, also. one which beta cuck libs, like yourself, are proud of themselves for supporting.

She stole absolutely nothing, and returned more than she need to. And she's murdered no one. No one. Bottom line, every statement in your post is a lie. No wonder you guys like Cheetos, liars, birds of a feather.
 
She stole absolutely nothing, and returned more than she need to. And she's murdered no one. No one. Bottom line, every statement in your post is a lie. No wonder you guys like Cheetos, liars, birds of a feather.
did the shit she took belong to her or the govt? the govt. she took it, aka stole it, even if she did get busted and have to return the stolen property.

I agree, she's murdered no one . . . personally. been a shitpot full of people that's mysteriously come up dead after crossing the Clintons.

funny thing is, I have a soft spot in my heart for ole bill. can you imagine the shit he's had to put up with being married to that cvnt? isn't she known for getting pissed and throwing shit at him, once leaving a mark on his face while he was president? wonder if that was over that intern pussy. love the stories told by the secret service about her. the word cvnt doesn't do her justice.
 
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You can have your own opinion, but not your own facts. The Clinton's made public what they were taking from the white house. They broke no laws and we're not forced to return anything, and some of the things they returned to the white house were later given back to the Clintons. You are simply wrong.
 
I love this part.


"Among the aspects of the case that lawmakers found troubling was the apparent violation of the ban on soliciting gifts. It’s fine under the law to accept someone’s generosity, but you can’t tell them what you want. This came up in regards to a portion of the goods the Clintons kept -- about $38,000 worth of goods given to Hillary Clinton in December 2000. That was after she won her Senate race in New York, but before she took office, at which point accepting such gifts would have violated Senate rules. Clinton had created a gift registry at Borsheim’s Fine Jewelry and Gifts. This yielded 16 rimmed soup bowls worth $2,352 and a soup tureen worth $1,365, among other items.""
 
I love these parts:

No allegations of illegality were made

The Clintons were not "forced" to return any gifts, they were not found to have "stolen" any items
 
the difference between class and an ass.

“Thank you to all the White House ushers, butlers, maids, chefs, florists, gardeners, plumbers, engineers & curators for all you do every day,” Chelsea Clinton tweeted Tuesday evening, citing the highlighted quote disparaging the place she called home for eight years.
Well it looks like their are some real issues at the White House. #BOOM

http://freedomdaily.com/white-house-renovation-contractors-trumps/

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/09/bugged-obamas-roach-problem/442842/
 
I SEE YOU'RE STILL READING THOSE RUSSIAN FAKE NEWS SITES.
I GUESS DONNIE TWO SCOOPS VOTERS NEVER LEARN.
 
Cheetos didn't say the white house needs some upgrades, he said it was a dump.
 
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