UFO?
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This explains so much...
You really think that if the govt had fighter jet footage of a UFO it would be on YouTube?
We literally just released JFK documents but they're going to release dash cam footage from an F-18?
This is the US government here, where the word "redacted" appears in every FOIA request document they let us see to appease us.
You really think that if the govt had fighter jet footage of a UFO it would be on YouTube?
We literally just released JFK documents but they're going to release dash cam footage from an F-18?
This is the US government here, where the word "redacted" appears in every FOIA request document they let us see to appease us.
This was actually in the "mainstream media".
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html
I've seen weird stuff a couple of times. Lots of military and airline pilots have. John Glenn and Jimmy Carter saw weird stuff. Who knows? I know this: if there is intelligent life besides us, the government will leak it out slowly, it would so challenge and shift belief systems that it could not just be announced all at once.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html
I've seen weird stuff a couple of times. Lots of military and airline pilots have. John Glenn and Jimmy Carter saw weird stuff. Who knows? I know this: if there is intelligent life besides us, the government will leak it out slowly, it would so challenge and shift belief systems that it could not just be announced all at once.
I agree with your premise that government would try to control how we receive the information. But I think government would be grossly underestimating how humanity would accept it. I haven't seen statistics, but I have to believe that the majority of people already believe life already exists outside of earth...either microbial or intelligent.
I truly believe that religion would adjust to it just fine. Religion is still going strong after heliocentrism became the dominant view. It's still going strong after science became definitive on the age of the earth. It's still going strong after evolution was introduced to the world. Ditto for an expanding universe.
The discovery would either be refuted or people will adapt by saying the bible never excluded the possibility to start with. For instance we have young earth religious people who build Christian based theme parks where children can ride dinosaur in denial that human and dinosaurs were separated by 65 million years. And there will be many religious people who embrace it just like we have those who say the bible never said the earth was 6000 years old to begin with.
But if intelligent life showed up in our backyard my guess is that the churches of the world would do what they did when the New World was discovered...show up and try to save them and bring them into the fold.
As for the whole UFO thing on the video? I ain't buyin'
i don't blame you for not going on record with a young earth. Hell...I have underwear older than that.
"And there will be many religious people who embrace it just like we have those who say the bible never said the earth was 6000 years old to begin with."
You all have been arguing over this for 6,000 years.
which religion that you follow do you agree with when it comes to things such as this?
Don't play stupid. It's unbecoming. The Bible gives us all the generations between Adam and Jesus.
I’ve come a long way on this topic. So here goes. The Bible never actually says how old earth is. Christians get the 6,000 number from the lineage of Adam and Eve that is addressed in the Bible. But the Bible doesn’t say what it doesn’t include, and knowing how many verses of scripture can be far apart from a time perspective, there is really no way of telling other than we know it’s AT LEAST 6,000 years old.
Now, that said, I still don’t believe the earth is 65 million or how many ever billion years old people claim. That’s simply retarded. Do you have any concept of just how long that is?
Now, that said, I still don’t believe the earth is 65 million or how many ever billion years old people claim. That’s simply retarded. Do you have any concept of just how long that is?
It's retarded?
And as far as how long 4.5 billion years is...it's really, really, really a long time.
Honest question. Why do you think the earth being 4.5 billion years is retarded. What is so difficult about it that you can't come to grips with?
There's a mountain of evidence that human life evolved from simpler forms of life.
this explains millennials
Yes it’s retarded. You think this earth has survived 65 million+ years but you also think humans are going to destroy it because of coal mining and oil extraction.
No...I think the world has survived 4.5 billion years. I also believe the world will survive coal mining extractions as well. Out of curiosity...where are you coming up with the 65 million year figure? The bible, according to many Christians, says the earth is between 6000 to 9000 years old. The near entirety of the scientific world says its over 4.5 billion and they use many metrics to come up with that figure. But where is the 65 million coming from?
You stated in this thread that humans and dinosaurs were separated by 65 million years.
How OJ was found innocent.
65 million? Try again.
And the Earth will survive long after our dumb asses go extinct. Billions more, before the sun swallows it. Long before that all animal and plant life will die...about 600 million years from now due to increased luminosity of the Sun. We can't destroy the Earth. We sure can make it inhospitable for human life. We have been here for just a speck of time, with perfect conditions for our evolution and existence.
Retired Cmdr. David Fravor spent 18 years as a Navy pilot, but nothing prepared him for what he witnessed during a routine training mission on Nov. 14, 2004.
"I can tell you, I think it was not from this world," Fravor told ABC News. "I'm not crazy, haven't been drinking. It was — after 18 years of flying, I've seen pretty much about everything that I can see in that realm, and this was nothing close."
"I have never seen anything in my life, in my history of flying that has the performance, the acceleration — keep in mind this thing had no wings," Fravor said.
He recalled flying his F/A-18 fighter on a training mission on a beautiful Southern California day 13 years ago when things started to get strange.
Controllers on one of the Navy ships on the water below reported objects that were dropping out of the sky from 80,000 feet and going "straight back up," Fravor said.
So we're thinking, OK, this is going to be interesting," he said.
As they were looking around for the object that appeared on the radar, another aviator spotted something. "I was like, 'Dude, do you see that?'" Fravor recalled saying.
“We look down, we see a white disturbance in the water, like something's under the surface, and the waves are breaking over, but we see next to it, and it's flying around, and it's this little white Tic Tac, and it's moving around — left, right, forward, back, just random," he said.
Retired Cmdr. David Fravor spent 18 years as a Navy pilot, but nothing prepared him for what he witnessed during a routine training mission on Nov. 14, 2004.
"I can tell you, I think it was not from this world," Fravor told ABC News. "I'm not crazy, haven't been drinking. It was — after 18 years of flying, I've seen pretty much about everything that I can see in that realm, and this was nothing close."
Fravor's stunning retelling of his encounter off the California coast with what appeared to be a 40-foot-long wingless object that flew at incredible speeds in an erratic pattern comes as the Pentagon revealed the existence of a secret program to investigate sightings of UFOs.
The program was shut down in 2012 because of other budget priorities, according to the Pentagon.
"I have never seen anything in my life, in my history of flying that has the performance, the acceleration — keep in mind this thing had no wings," Fravor said.
He recalled flying his F/A-18 fighter on a training mission on a beautiful Southern California day 13 years ago when things started to get strange.
Controllers on one of the Navy ships on the water below reported objects that were dropping out of the sky from 80,000 feet and going "straight back up," Fravor said.
"So we're thinking, OK, this is going to be interesting," he said.
As they were looking around for the object that appeared on the radar, another aviator spotted something. "I was like, 'Dude, do you see that?'" Fravor recalled saying.
Once secret, now closed UFO program confirmed by Pentagon
“We look down, we see a white disturbance in the water, like something's under the surface, and the waves are breaking over, but we see next to it, and it's flying around, and it's this little white Tic Tac, and it's moving around — left, right, forward, back, just random," he said.
The object didn't display the rotor wash typical of a helicopter or jet wash from a plane, he said.
The planes flew lower to investigate the object, which started to mirror their movements before disappearing, Fravor said. "As we start to cut across, it rapidly accelerates, climbs past our altitude and disappears," Fravor recalled.
"When it started to near us, as we started to descend towards it coming up, it was flying in the elongated way, so it's [like] a Tic Tac, with the roundish end going in the forward direction ... I don't know what it is. I don't know what I saw. I just know it was really impressive, really fast, and I would like to fly it," he said.
The disturbance in the water also vanished with object, he remembered.
"So we turned around — we couldn't have been more than about a couple miles away — and there's no white water at all in the ocean," Fravor said. "It's just blue."
At that point, they decided to return to complete the training exercise when they were told the object or something similar reappeared.
"And the controller comes up and says, 'Sir, you're not going to believe this. That thing is at your half point,' which is our hold point," Fravor added. "And I'm like, 'Oh, great.'"
Another plane that launched from the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz around the same time had its radar jammed and was able to pick up the object on an infrared channel.
"He gets close enough to see a couple of objects come out of the bottom, and then all of a sudden it takes off and goes right off the side of the screen and, like, takes off," Fravor said.
He recalled that the speed of the object, which he said had no exhaust trail in infrared scanning, was stunning.
"No aircraft that we know of can fly at those speeds, maneuver like that and looks like that," ABC News contributor and former Marine Col. Stephen Ganyard said.
Fravor said there is no rational explanation for what they saw that day.
"I don't know if it was alien life, but I will say that in an infinite universe, with multiple galaxies that we know of, that if we're the only planet with life, it's a pretty lonely universe."
There was no further investigation into the incident, he said.
"You know, you see a lot of interesting things," Fravor said. "But to show up on something that's a 40-foot-long white Tic Tac with no wings that can move, really, in any random direction that it wants and go from hovering over the ocean to mirroring us to accelerating to the point where it just disappears — like, poof, then it was gone."
"I can tell you, I think it was not from this world," Fravor told ABC News. "I'm not crazy, haven't been drinking. It was — after 18 years of flying, I've seen pretty much about everything that I can see in that realm, and this was nothing close."
"I have never seen anything in my life, in my history of flying that has the performance, the acceleration — keep in mind this thing had no wings," Fravor said.
He recalled flying his F/A-18 fighter on a training mission on a beautiful Southern California day 13 years ago when things started to get strange.
Controllers on one of the Navy ships on the water below reported objects that were dropping out of the sky from 80,000 feet and going "straight back up," Fravor said.
So we're thinking, OK, this is going to be interesting," he said.
As they were looking around for the object that appeared on the radar, another aviator spotted something. "I was like, 'Dude, do you see that?'" Fravor recalled saying.
“We look down, we see a white disturbance in the water, like something's under the surface, and the waves are breaking over, but we see next to it, and it's flying around, and it's this little white Tic Tac, and it's moving around — left, right, forward, back, just random," he said.
Retired Cmdr. David Fravor spent 18 years as a Navy pilot, but nothing prepared him for what he witnessed during a routine training mission on Nov. 14, 2004.
"I can tell you, I think it was not from this world," Fravor told ABC News. "I'm not crazy, haven't been drinking. It was — after 18 years of flying, I've seen pretty much about everything that I can see in that realm, and this was nothing close."
Fravor's stunning retelling of his encounter off the California coast with what appeared to be a 40-foot-long wingless object that flew at incredible speeds in an erratic pattern comes as the Pentagon revealed the existence of a secret program to investigate sightings of UFOs.
The program was shut down in 2012 because of other budget priorities, according to the Pentagon.
"I have never seen anything in my life, in my history of flying that has the performance, the acceleration — keep in mind this thing had no wings," Fravor said.
He recalled flying his F/A-18 fighter on a training mission on a beautiful Southern California day 13 years ago when things started to get strange.
Controllers on one of the Navy ships on the water below reported objects that were dropping out of the sky from 80,000 feet and going "straight back up," Fravor said.
"So we're thinking, OK, this is going to be interesting," he said.
As they were looking around for the object that appeared on the radar, another aviator spotted something. "I was like, 'Dude, do you see that?'" Fravor recalled saying.
Once secret, now closed UFO program confirmed by Pentagon
“We look down, we see a white disturbance in the water, like something's under the surface, and the waves are breaking over, but we see next to it, and it's flying around, and it's this little white Tic Tac, and it's moving around — left, right, forward, back, just random," he said.
The object didn't display the rotor wash typical of a helicopter or jet wash from a plane, he said.
The planes flew lower to investigate the object, which started to mirror their movements before disappearing, Fravor said. "As we start to cut across, it rapidly accelerates, climbs past our altitude and disappears," Fravor recalled.
"When it started to near us, as we started to descend towards it coming up, it was flying in the elongated way, so it's [like] a Tic Tac, with the roundish end going in the forward direction ... I don't know what it is. I don't know what I saw. I just know it was really impressive, really fast, and I would like to fly it," he said.
The disturbance in the water also vanished with object, he remembered.
"So we turned around — we couldn't have been more than about a couple miles away — and there's no white water at all in the ocean," Fravor said. "It's just blue."
At that point, they decided to return to complete the training exercise when they were told the object or something similar reappeared.
"And the controller comes up and says, 'Sir, you're not going to believe this. That thing is at your half point,' which is our hold point," Fravor added. "And I'm like, 'Oh, great.'"
Another plane that launched from the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz around the same time had its radar jammed and was able to pick up the object on an infrared channel.
"He gets close enough to see a couple of objects come out of the bottom, and then all of a sudden it takes off and goes right off the side of the screen and, like, takes off," Fravor said.
He recalled that the speed of the object, which he said had no exhaust trail in infrared scanning, was stunning.
"No aircraft that we know of can fly at those speeds, maneuver like that and looks like that," ABC News contributor and former Marine Col. Stephen Ganyard said.
Fravor said there is no rational explanation for what they saw that day.
"I don't know if it was alien life, but I will say that in an infinite universe, with multiple galaxies that we know of, that if we're the only planet with life, it's a pretty lonely universe."
There was no further investigation into the incident, he said.
"You know, you see a lot of interesting things," Fravor said. "But to show up on something that's a 40-foot-long white Tic Tac with no wings that can move, really, in any random direction that it wants and go from hovering over the ocean to mirroring us to accelerating to the point where it just disappears — like, poof, then it was gone."
