Up to 100 cases of female genital mutulation in Michigan?

[GK4Herd]

Performed by Muslim doctors...

http://www.freep.com/story/news/2017/06/07/female-genital-mutilation-doctors-michigan/378219001/

How do you get away with that many? And what's wrong with people who believe there is an ounce of justification for this?

 

[C.K. Ocsevol-Evad]

Ahhh, ain't religion grand?!

 

[herdfan429]

Performed by Muslim doctors...

http://www.freep.com/story/news/2017/06/07/female-genital-mutilation-doctors-michigan/378219001/

How do you get away with that many? And what's wrong with people who believe there is an ounce of justification for this?

Who would squeal? The parents? Hell no they were the ones that took them. The kids? Hell no their parents obviously control every aspect of their live. The doctor? Not even close

 

[-CarlHungus-]

Ahhh, ain't religion grand?!

I know, right?!?

All those damn modem day Mormons, Buddhists, and Episcopals always blowing stuff, running over people with cars, and cutting genitals.

 

[GK4Herd]

I know, right?!?

All those damn modem day Mormons, Buddhists, and Episcopals always blowing stuff, running over people with cars, and cutting genitals.

Up...blowing stuff up.

 

[-CarlHungus-]

Up...blowing stuff up.

Eh - I'll just leave it.

If anyone has had anything blown by them it's rifle.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

I know, right?!?

All those damn modem day Mormons, Buddhists, and Episcopals always blowing stuff, running over people with cars, and cutting genitals.

Oh, would you like to discuss the polygamy and women/child abuse in Mormonism? How about the overwhelming shame and regret Buddhism puts on its followers due to their belief in karma? And do you need me to start with Christians/Episcopals or have my last 16 years on here been enough?

 

[-CarlHungus-]

Oh, would you like to discuss the polygamy and women/child abuse in Mormonism? How about the overwhelming shame and regret Buddhism puts on its followers due to their belief in karma? And do you need me to start with Christians/Episcopals or have my last 16 years on here been enough?

No. I'd like to snarky post and run.

I think there is a trend toward a violence problem with Islam that is not paralleled in the modern day by those other religions.

I'm sure there are plenty of problems you could cite and I'd probably agree with, but is there not a outlier here?

 

[-CarlHungus-]

...also...

Since more females died from drunk drivers than had their privates sliced up last year I don't know why we're discussing this anyway.

 

[i am herdman]

Performed by Muslim doctors...

http://www.freep.com/story/news/2017/06/07/female-genital-mutilation-doctors-michigan/378219001/

How do you get away with that many? And what's wrong with people who believe there is an ounce of justification for this?

If I posted that then there would be a few on this board that would go nuts.

They are damn savages and we put it up with it is why. The problem is they want to come here and not change and their loyalty is entirely to that religion and not our way of life or country.

I could tell you stories about the Muslim fathers of female students at schools beating their daughters for removing their head cover when they get to school. The Muslim women who come in and are afraid to look male teachers or staff in the eyes barbecue they are beat down like dirty dogs.

 

[extragreen]

...also...

Since more females died from drunk drivers than had their privates sliced up last year I don't know why we're discussing this anyway.

Shouldn't you get back to hunkering down so you're not seen by Islamic terrorists. You don't want to make yourself an easy target.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

I think there is a trend toward a violence problem with Islam that is not paralleled in the modern day by those other religions.

I'm sure there are plenty of problems you could cite and I'd probably agree with, but is there not a outlier here?

No, there isn't an outlier. My comment - "ain't religion grand" - was a general statement incriminating all religions. They all have, both in their past and currently, awful beliefs and associations. These things are indoctrinated in each religion at the most fundamental core; their religious texts.

You took my statement and wanted to only focus on one part of what would make religions bad . . . violence. Now, does Islam have a monopoly on car bombs this decade? Sure, I will give them that. But then you went on to talk about genital mutilation. Must we talk about what religion(s) has a monopoly on circumcision, which is also genital mutilation? Want to talk about what religion mandates their religious leaders to suck the penis of a boy who just had a circumcision? Want to talk about what religion has grown men marrying young girls? We could be here all night talking about all of the awful things all major religions believe and allow.

So, yes, ain't religion grand?

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

If I posted that then there would be a few on this board that would go nuts.

They are damn savages and we put it up with it is why. The problem is they want to come here and not change and their loyalty is entirely to that religion and not our way of life or country.
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The sheer hypocrisy of your comment and in the original post is dumbfounding. How is this any different than circumcision? In this procedure, they scrape membrane off of the female's genitals as part of a religious ritual. In circumcision, they cut skin off of a male's genitals.

Both of you owe an explanation of how it is different.

 

[-CarlHungus-]

I'm no expert on genital mutilation, and I might be wrong here....

But it's my understanding that a common type of female genital mutilation removes the clitoris to the extent that a woman cannot achieve a clitoral orgasm and/or have a very high rate of dyspaneuria. Much more than just "scraping membranes." This is very different than male circumcision, in which a male can still achieve orgasm after circumcision.

You're correct that both are rooted in religious based surgeries and in the modern era of cleanliness male circumcision has minimal health benefits, but the surgeries have drastically different functional outcomes.

 

[big_country90]

Ahhh, ain't Islam grand?!

Yes, it is.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

But it's my understanding that a common type of female genital mutilation removes the clitoris to the extent that a woman cannot achieve a clitoral orgasm and/or have a very high rate of dyspaneuria. Much more than just "scraping membranes." This is very different than male circumcision, in which a male can still achieve orgasm after circumcision.

You're correct that both are rooted in religious based surgeries and in the modern era of cleanliness male circumcision has minimal health benefits, but the surgeries have drastically different functional outcomes.

Look at what you're arguing. You are arguing that FGM is different than circumcision because guys can still achieve orgasm after circumcision. So, the issue for you isn't if we are mutilating children's bodies, causing them pain, etc., but instead, it's whether they can still achieve orgasm later on in life. Unbelievable.

I also suggest you look at those who have been circumcised having decreased sexual sensitivity. So, how is this any different than your protesting of FGM based on sexual pleasure decreases?

Further, you may want to check out Africa. In many areas there, FGM is done by Christians. It is more of a cultural issue than a religious one in many regions.

Face it- your stance against FGM is based on it being foreign to your culture. The fact that you have no problem allowing the same damn thing to boys based on it being acceptable in the culture you were raised is yet another example of sheer hypocrisy shown on this board.

Religion- ain't it grand (and that doesn't exclude the hypocritical Christians on here).

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

I'm no expert on genital mutilation,
.

Nor am I, but I have murdered some pussy in my day.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

Yes, it is.

You're free to chime in and try to justify how any of these other beliefs and accepted actions by other religions is better. Of course, then you'd have to ask your father, then you'd be forced to change your position on it years later.

Face it: the major religions are fvcked up fairy-tales which have caused millions of deaths, destruction, and stunted human growth.

 

[-CarlHungus-]

I don't care who is doing the FGM...it is more disfiguring and with higher complications and functional deficits than that of male circs.

I have struggled with the male circ debate and think you have legit points, but a WHO type 1b and up FGM isn't in the same medical ball park as a male circumcision and it's not even close.

They both may be morally/ethically wrong, but the end results aren't even close. At all.

We all have our own line we draw. Maybe I'm a hypocrite for not speaking out against male circ, but while the motivation or ritual may be rooted in same fallacy, I think FGM is more devastating...so I chose to post about it instead of sleeping.

Enjoy the weekend, friends. I do enjoy you sick Godless pieces of trash.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

I don't care who is doing the FGM...

Clearly you do care, as you placed blame on the Muslims who do it while failing to acknowledge that it is standard for Christians to do it in other parts of the world.

.it is more disfiguring and with higher complications and functional deficits than that of male circs.

I have struggled with the male circ debate and think you have legit points, but a WHO type 1b and up FGM isn't in the same medical ball park as a male circumcision and it's not even close.

As I said before, you are basing your acceptance on one and disgust of the other on the fact that one doesn't diminish the pleasure of sex to the extent that the other one does.

It's severe hypocrisy.

My circumcised crank and I will enjoy the weekend.

 

[Dreh_Nagi_HC_IM]

 

[sistersville]

Ahhh, ain't religion grand?!

You mean aint a false religion grand. Islam means peace. I doubt those drs were true to that faith. Kinda like a so called christian killing a abortion dr.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

They both may be morally/ethically wrong, but the end results aren't even close. At all.

I don't think the end results would figure into a legal argument. It's an interesting debate on prior restraint of religion. I certainly think FGM should be banned. The Jews however are going to howl on circumcision, and I think we would have to include both in any legislation.

 

[herdfan429]

Is there a medical case to be made for female circumscision?

 

[GK4Herd]

I think you have to take into consideration the real reason FGM is performed in many cultures. It is used to control the sexuality of women and assure that they remain subordinate to men. It is performed on children to assure they remain virgins and when they are married, faithful to their husbands. This is a byproduct of the cultural belief that women should be subjugated to men.

As far as circumcision is concerned, although I agree with rifle that it unnecessarily inflicts pain on children, I agree with CH there are far more life long implications in FGM than circumcision. I'm not sure why it is even being argued. I don't think CH is saying that the pain suffered at the time of the circumcision doesn't exist. But I'd sure as hell feel better about my daughter having my grandson circumcised (she did) than I would about my daughters or granddaughters (if I had one) being subjected to FGM.

 

[i am herdman]

Look at what you're arguing. You are arguing that FGM is different than circumcision because guys can still achieve orgasm after circumcision. So, the issue for you isn't if we are mutilating children's bodies, causing them pain, etc., but instead, it's whether they can still achieve orgasm later on in life. Unbelievable.

I also suggest you look at those who have been circumcised having decreased sexual sensitivity. So, how is this any different than your protesting of FGM based on sexual pleasure decreases?

Further, you may want to check out Africa. In many areas there, FGM is done by Christians. It is more of a cultural issue than a religious one in many regions.

Face it- your stance against FGM is based on it being foreign to your culture. The fact that you have no problem allowing the same damn thing to boys based on it being acceptable in the culture you were raised is yet another example of sheer hypocrisy shown on this board.

Religion- ain't it grand (and that doesn't exclude the hypocritical Christians on here).

Are you crazy just to the point of wanting to argue? They mutilate the genitals of women(removing of the clit) so the women cannot achieve sexual stimulation. That is not an accepted medical practice anywhere I have ever heard of.

Removing of the foreskin on the penis was/is done by medical professionals and is/was an accepted practice for hygiene. I know a guy who had to have his done later on in life in his 50's because the foreskin was causing him some issues. A surgeon had to do it and he said it was so painful he wanted to die.

I am not a medical doctor but I don't know that I have ever heard of a woman having her clit removed after 50 or at all.

They are doing this because Muslim's treat women like dogs. Look, I like a good sandwich to be made or some biscuits and gravy but removing sex organs is horrendous. Comparing it to circumcision is ludicrous.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

But I'd sure as hell feel better about my daughter having my grandson circumcised (she did) than I would about my daughters or granddaughters (if I had one) being subjected to FGM.

Why do you feel better about it?

After circumcision, sexual sensitivity/sensation is reduced. Sex is still pleasurable. After FGM, sexual sensitivity/sensation is reduced. Sex is still pleasurable.

So, it comes down to which reduces sexual sensitivity/sensation more? That is way too big of a gray area for my conscience.

In truth, you feel better about it because circumcision is a long established cultural method you are accustomed to while FGM is not.

And, no, Herdman - the hygiene part is basically bullsh!t as an excuse for circumcision.

 

[i am herdman]

Why do you feel better about it?

After circumcision, sexual sensitivity/sensation is reduced. Sex is still pleasurable. After FGM, sexual sensitivity/sensation is reduced. Sex is still pleasurable.

So, it comes down to which reduces sexual sensitivity/sensation more? That is way too big of a gray area for my conscience.

In truth, you feel better about it because circumcision is a long established cultural method you are accustomed to while FGM is not.

And, no, Herdman - the hygiene part is basically bullsh!t as an excuse for circumcision.

Well trained medical professionals did it and do it. If a baby girl is born and you said hey remove her clitoris would they do it?

 

[i am herdman]

Nor am I, but I have murdered some pussy in my day.

I have seen child birth. As, I told a young buck at work one time. you might think you are tearing that thing up but you can't hurt it. Trust me.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

Well trained medical professionals did it and do it. If a baby girl is born and you said hey remove her clitoris would they do it?

In the article posted, the medical procedure was done in a medical office by a doctor.

 

[i am herdman]

In the article posted, the medical procedure was done in a medical office by a doctor.

Ok, but isn't there a trial over it?

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

Ok, but isn't there a trial over it?

Which is exactly my point. One religious/cultural custom (mutilating the foreskin on a penis) is legal while another religious/cultural custom (scraping membrane off of a girl's genitalia) is considered illegal.

See how fvcked up it is? Without the religious protection, if you were to cut a child with the severity of what happens during circumcision, you would be going to jail.

 

[ARandomHerdFan]

No. I'd like to snarky post and run.

 

[sistersville]

I know 60 minutes done a piece on this and it was punishment for something the woman did or did not do.For a man to get cut it is not to punish them. Comparing the two is so stupid.

 

[sistersville]

No clit no pleasure unless you hit her g spot. In muslim countires that is totally forbidden. In gay america sodomy is just normal as apple pie.. Its as normal as a hog with a wristwatch. Good job for you fever. You could be a sniffer. To sniff out those muslims men who might have committed sodomy.