Venezuela or tinanmen square 2.0

[C.K. Ocsevol-Evad]

What happened after that invasion? What is the population of the USA, number of guns, land size, size of cities. You also assume that in an event like this the entire US military would be against the people. How do you conduct MOUT in a city like Los Angeles, Atlanta, New York?

Of those numbers how many are going to kick in doors? Have you ever done MOUT training? You know what is one of the worst things ever is? Kicking in a door going street to street?

How do control the population in the USA? And, the size of the USA? How do you control Texas? That is one state?

Don't be stupid. An event like that in this country would make Iraq look like a picnic. You are talking taking down a depleted military. You don't even get to the occupation part.

I love the mititary. But, there is not military in the word that would want to try to occupy the USA.

You don’t understand. I’ve gone over this before.

Madison wrote out the intent for the 2nd. In his explanation, he detailed the specific numbers it would take for armed civilians to be able to stop a tyrannical government. He used numbers for both the army and a civilian militia. He was quite specific with those numbers. At no time did he claim that a federal army would have disloyal soldiers who would not fulfill their duties. Had he done that, it would have changed his entire argument for the 2nd Amendment. So your repeated claim that a chunk of the military would not fulfill their orders cannot be argued while also trying to argue in support of the intent of the 2nd.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Take that up with the writer of the Bill of Rights - James Madison. In Federalist No. 46, he discusses his reasoning for the 2nd Amendment. There, he has a thorough explanation for how many citizens/guns would be needed based on the population to be able to overtake the largest possible number in a federal army with the same population. At no time did he question if the federal military would be loyal. Had he questioned it, like you have, it would entirely change his argument of the need for guns for all.

I have no idea what this has to do with the modern history of Venezuela.

 

[i am herdman]

You don’t understand. I’ve gone over this before.

Madison wrote out the intent for the 2nd. In his explanation, he detailed the specific numbers it would take for armed civilians to be able to stop a tyrannical government. He used numbers for both the army and a civilian militia. He was quite specific with those numbers. At no time did he claim that a federal army would have disloyal soldiers who would not fulfill their duties. Had he done that, it would have changed his entire argument for the 2nd Amendment. So your repeated claim that a chunk of the military would not fulfill their orders cannot be argued while also trying to argue in support of the intent of the 2nd.

Okkkkk, but we are talking about what would happen in a mass insurrection in this country and originally it was about Venezuela and went off the rails.

 

[i am herdman]

They thought they could hide out below ground or in the hills somewhere and evade the U S military. How'd that work out for them. moron.

ok, great analogy.

 

[i am herdman]

I have no idea what this has to do with the modern history of Venezuela.

He and greed are off the deep end on this. They are so far out in left field they are sitting behind Bob Uecker.

 

[extragreen]

He and greed are off the deep end on this. They are so far out in left field they are sitting behind Bob Uecker.

You're being an idiot, as usual.
Pretend the Civil War is about to start.
Pretend it's 1861 in the South, and it's 2019 in the North. Then pretend the South has no military force.

 

[i am herdman]

You're being an idiot, as usual.
Pretend the Civil War is about to start.
Pretend it's 1861 in the South, and it's 2019 in the North. Then pretend the South has no military force.

If the South has no force how does the North have a force?

 

[extragreen]

If the South has no force how does the North have a force?

Remember me calling you an idiot? This is one of the reasons.^^^^

 

[i am herdman]

Remember me calling you an idiot? This is one of the reasons.^^^^

Being serious. Answer the question.

This conversation started out talking about a dictator starving his people and ruining a country. Then, his troops run over people with armored trucks. I know one thing, that happens in most places in the USA and Private Doe driving the armored truck is going to get a bullet to the head at some point. Then you and Yagsi went off the deep end.

So, how does the North have a force and the South doesn't?

 

[extragreen]

So, how does the North have a force and the South doesn't?

The following is an analogy of what it would be like if the 2A rights guys went up against the U S military....

Pretend the Civil War is about to start.
Pretend it's 1861 in the South, and it's 2019 in the North. Then pretend the South has no military force.

 

[i am herdman]

The following is an analogy of what it would be like if the 2A rights guys went up against the U S military....

Pretend the Civil War is about to start.
Pretend it's 1861 in the South, and it's 2019 in the North. Then pretend the South has no military force.

Wait, how do you get to pick 2019 North vs 1861 South?

 

[extragreen]

Wait, how do you get to pick 2019 North vs 1861 South?

It gives you an idea of what it would be like for the 2As rights people to go up against the military. The South has your rifles and handguns (1861) while the present day military (2019) with modern military weapons invades the South.
It took 4 years to defeat the South in a much fairer contest. How would the South fair under my analogy?

 

[i am herdman]

It gives you an idea of what it would be like for the 2As rights people to go up against the military. The South has your rifles and handguns (1861) while the present day military (2019) with modern military weapons invades the South.
It took 4 years to defeat the South in a much fairer contest. How would the South fair under my analogy?

And you are assuming every entire troop, commander, etc. in the entire US military is going to stay on your side and follow that order?

 

[i am herdman]

 

[extragreen]

And you are assuming every entire troop, commander, etc. in the entire US military is going to stay on your side and follow that order?

Your only hope that your 2A rights will protect America is if the armed forces fight each other. Otherwise the uprising is squelched rather quickly.

 

[i am herdman]

So, why are we in Afghanistan 18 years later?

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

Plentiful oil reserves can cause havoc.

 

[raleighherdfan]

So, why are we in Afghanistan 18 years later?

 

[extragreen]

So, why are we in Afghanistan 18 years later?

Because we only have 1% of our military capability there and militants come from other countries to oppose us.

 

[Dreh_Nagi_HC_IM]

Wait, how do you get to pick 2019 North vs 1861 South?

I think he's also suggesting the 2019 Golden State Warriors would be too much for George Mikan's 1949 Minneapolis Lakers squad. That greed is briliant. Sheer brilliance.

 

[i am herdman]

Because we only have 1% of our military capability there and militants come from other countries to oppose us.

What happened in Vietnam? We won every battle. Had far superior weapons(tanks, planes, Navy, etc).

 

[MarshallManiac]

I'm just sitting over here thinkin y'all are out of your blessed minds if you think that it's going to be a bunch of rednecks vs the US military if they ever did try to take away guns. The military would take a drastic hit with all of the soldiers that would quickly turn against the government just like they are doing in Venezuela.

 

[Dreh_Nagi_HC_IM]

It's basically the pro-Trumpers going up against the anti-Trumpers. We've seen that outcome before.