Virginia Tech
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Will they eat the buy out, that’s always the question. Bud Foster is retiring so a shake up is gonna happen.
They’ll be back, I have a lot of admiration for their school and athletics.
I wonder if they will. It was Beamer and Foster that made VT into what we know them as. Now neither one will be there. I know Fuente only had one stop prior, but he did make Memphis relevant.
What is VT Football?
I really thought Fuentes was a good hire when they stole him from Memphis. Boy was I wrong.
It makes one wonder what he had at Memphis that he doesn’t have at VT, because simply put, he had better football teams at Memphis straight up than he does at VT. In the grand scheme (or hierarchy, but P5 is a scheme), that just doesn’t make sense.
VT is a lot like WVU in that they are both mid-top tier football programs that can go south quick if the wrong hire is made, and it can take years to dig back out.
It's culture. VT players and coaches were very use to a certain way and it was successful for them for a long time. You come in and tell them they need to do everything different from day one, they aren't going to respond well. Keeping Bud Foster, even though he was a great coach, was a huge mistake. I'm sure many players were looking to him as the real leader of the team and if he wasn't reinforcing everything the new coach was doing that's automatic division.
Coaching VT is much different than coaching Memphis. When you go into an unsuccessful program it's a lot easier to get players to buy in. They know what they've been doing hasn't been working.
That's the art of management, you have to be able to recognize the situation and adjust your approach accordingly. It's my guess that Fuentes went in to VT the same way he came in to Memphis because it worked there.
Coaching VT is much different than coaching Memphis. When you go into an unsuccessful program it's a lot easier to get players to buy in. They know what they've been doing hasn't been working.
That's the art of management, you have to be able to recognize the situation and adjust your approach accordingly. It's my guess that Fuentes went in to VT the same way he came in to Memphis because it worked there.
Pretty much all of this.
JF hasn’t turned a blind eye to Bud’s “tactics” that FB sanctioned for years.
I agree. Fuente from Memphis and what he did while there was amazing.
Just hasn't made VT into what their fans thought he could...despite what they have.
The real complicated part was that Bud Fostet turned down the HC job when Beamer made it know he was retiring.
Everyone expected him to take over and it would have been a good transition.
Instead, they take a complete outsider with a totally different philosophy (as you said).
It hasn't worked out but who is really to blame?
VPI made a classic bad coaching hire. This joker had two good years in the joke AAC, beating one year Austin Peay, Middle, Cincinnati, SMU, Tulsa, Temple, Tulane, USF, and UConn; and the next Missouri State, Kansas, BUGS, Cincy, USF, Ole Miss (his ONE quality win), Tulsa, Tulane, and SMU, and they thought that success at that low level could translate to a different part of the country at a True Major level.
It cannot. VPI is learning that, Nebraska is learning that, Maryland learned that. Success in the AAC does not translate into success in the big time.
Going forward, VPI has a bad MIami, I-AA Rhode Island, lost to Appy UNC, lost to the Citadel Georgia Tech, and over-rated UVA. Six wins = bowl. Getting rid of this guy will take courage and cash.
Virginia Tech really needs to make the right hire or risk irrelevancy.
It cannot. VPI is learning that, Nebraska is learning that, Maryland learned that. Success in the AAC does not translate into success in the big time.
Going forward, VPI has a bad MIami, I-AA Rhode Island, lost to Appy UNC, lost to the Citadel Georgia Tech, and over-rated UVA. Six wins = bowl. Getting rid of this guy will take courage and cash.
Virginia Tech really needs to make the right hire or risk irrelevancy.
Who cares about Virginia Tech? This is the Marshall board and we need to be concerned about the future of our own programs.
How did the joke AAC team look in Huntington this past weekend. Either they are really good and we really suck or both.
Maryland hired Randy Edsall when UCONN was playing in the Big East. If you're counting him against the AAC then you have to give the AAC credit for Brian Kelly at Notre Dame.
And what about Matt Ruhle? He has done a very good job at Baylor. Why'd you leave him off the list?
Also, I'll bet you a $50 BG donation that Scott Frost has Nebraska back to being relevant by 2021. The mess he had to clean up from the Mike Riley debacle was unreal.
I don’t understand. If the discussion Virginia Tech and the bad coaching hire it made. It made that hire based on the incorrect idea that beating the joke cupcake teams in the AAC can translate to the P5. It cannot.
If you want to have a discussion of CUSA coaches moving up and how they have turned out, start that thread.
Right now all we know is that AAC success = big time failure.
Fever /2.0 will take that bet
If you define “relevant” as “makes the playoffs” sure. Matter of fact, I will cut it to “makes the Big 10 championship game”. The BG could use the $$. Nebraska made a bad hire, based on a few years at a lower level.
A far lower level.
A far lower level.
honestly a bad hire can tank any program. Look at Alabama or better yet Nebraska.
True. Alabama made a series of bad decisions in the 90s and 00s. Nebraska is the only better example of why saying “9 and 3 is not acceptable” is ignorant than the school whose ignorant AD actually said it. Same can be said, over time, about lots of programs in different eras, in basketball and football.
The difference is the ability to get back. The bluer the blood, the easier it is to get back. MU clearly made a totally bad hire, with Marcum and Snyder, who destroyed what had been built, and we are still not fully back. The question for VPI, an ag-tech college in the middle of nowhere in the mountains far from most of Virginia’s population and followed by the kind of people the current Virginia government hates, is are they closer to Marshall or closer to Alabama.
Nebraska could be terrible for the next decade and they'd still sell out their stadium.
Their fans are a totally different kind of hardcore and its insane.
However, theu were going down that path when they fired Bo Pelini for "not winning more."
However, it took quite a bit of losing to (hopefully) have found someone to get them there.
Can anyone in the G5 endure that?
Anyone wanna go back to Southern Miss when Fedora left?
0-12 Johnson hired...then fired.
1-11 Monken hired
3-9
9-5 Monken bolts for the NFL
7-6 Hopson is hired
8-5
6-5
Just enough to win...not enough by MU's standards (none of them won C-USA titles...nor did they have stellar win/loss records).
Why?
Not enough loyalty to the program itself and a bigger focus on themselves (which is fine, NCAA sports are a dog eat dog world) but MU fans would lose their minds at that 7 year span.
This is why I am on the fence about Doc. Is he where I want or most of us want to be? No. His press conference today really rubbed me the wrong way. However really bad years are an outlier during his tenure. For the most part unless the wheel come off like 2016 we are penciled in 8 wins and a bowl win. I'm still convinced if Litton doesn't get a concussion against Akron, 2016 is an entirely different season. Heck just in that game alone. He was starting to find a rhythm until his brain got scrambled. Then it looked like he went blind. We have to start Morrell and the rest is history. If Litton doesn't leave early I think 2018 would have been a special season. Players like Brady suffered because we were breaking in a new QB. I think SR Litton and SR Brady would have been an amazing combo.
Now getting rid of Doc is in itself a risky proposition. It's highly possible we end up with a retread or another Snyder. Taking factors like our location, salaries and Hamrick being the one making the hire into account we could hit rock bottom real fast.
I would want Hamrick to go find some young coach that plays an aggressive Mike Leach/Lincoln Riley type of offense. Much to what we say in 2012-2014 under Cato. Also believes in defense. I'm scared to death that if we let Doc go that Hamrick would just hire someone like Brad Lambert or actually hire Lambert. What would be the point.
If we're going to move on we better have someone like Brohm coming in. Hamrick makes another buddy hire and Marshall football is dead.
You’re even more delusional than I thought if you think Scott Frost is a bad head coach.
All Snyder did was pour gasoline on a grease fire.
The program was already going downhill 2001, 2002 and 2003 recruiting classes are still some of the worst in Program history.
With all that talent, how did Snyder manage to lose so often?
Are you denying he put more of his recruits in the pros than Doc?
With that said, he was a poor X&O coach who played a much tougher schedule than Doc.
very simple. He played a MUCH tougher schedule than we play now. No way I am advocating that Snyder was a great coach, in fact rather mediocre, but the CUSA we joined in 2005 was far tougher than the one in 2019
Snyder’s schedules were more difficult. He played more P5’s and the version of CUSA he faced is now the AAC. Much better teams than the current CUSA.
BTW. AAC is 6-0 this year against CUSA- according to the HD.
Snyder, and his lying enabler Marcum, destroyed everything that had been built by multiple coaches over two decades. His entire list of I-A wins are:
05 - 5-6 SMU; 5-6 UAB; 2-9 Tulane
06 - 3-9 UAB; 2-10 Memphis; 4-8 Tulane; 5-7 UTEP
07 - 3-9 Rice; 8-5 ECU; 2-10 UAB
08 - 6-7 Memphis; 7-6 Southern MIss; 8-5 Houston
09 - 7-6 BUGS; 2-10 Memphis; 3-9 Tulane; 5-7 UAB; 8-5 SMU.
He was not “mediocre”. He was a total incompetent who had no business having the job he had. He was a failure and a fool. He destroyed our program on the field and his lying buddy Marcum destroyed the relationship with the fan base. Both are among the worst people to ever be associated with this university in any capacity.
05 - 5-6 SMU; 5-6 UAB; 2-9 Tulane
06 - 3-9 UAB; 2-10 Memphis; 4-8 Tulane; 5-7 UTEP
07 - 3-9 Rice; 8-5 ECU; 2-10 UAB
08 - 6-7 Memphis; 7-6 Southern MIss; 8-5 Houston
09 - 7-6 BUGS; 2-10 Memphis; 3-9 Tulane; 5-7 UAB; 8-5 SMU.
He was not “mediocre”. He was a total incompetent who had no business having the job he had. He was a failure and a fool. He destroyed our program on the field and his lying buddy Marcum destroyed the relationship with the fan base. Both are among the worst people to ever be associated with this university in any capacity.
It’s absurd to claim that Snyder was so awful yet defend Doc, considering that it took Doc three to four years to match Snyder’s last year as HC.
And that matching only happened after C-USA became much, much weaker with teams leaving/being added.
But being absurd and foolish never stopped you from posting.
Doc’s first year, with the Snyder players, was better than anything Snyder ever did, and every year since, save one, has been better than that. Snyder was a total incompetent. Show me the signature win from the FACTUAL list I posted.
The internet equal of yelling “NO” really loudly is not the same thing as having a take. Adults know that.
The internet equal of yelling “NO” really loudly is not the same thing as having a take. Adults know that.
Snyder in year 5:
6-6 and 4th in CUSA East.
Doc in year 2:
7-6 and 2nd in CUSA East.
No. In fact the opposite. Snyder had more NFL caliber players.
One of his problems was he struggled in conference. His best seasons were .500 in conference that included UAB and others who weren't much of anything at the time.
