Snyder’s team went 7-6 that year. His resignation before the bowl game doesn’t change that.
It took Doc four years to improve on Marshall’s record since Snyder’s last year. And that was only accomplished after the schedule became far easier.
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Snyder’s team went 7-6 that year. His resignation before the bowl game doesn’t change that.
It took Doc four years to improve on Marshall’s record since Snyder’s last year. And that was only accomplished after the schedule became far easier.
Doc matched Snyder's final 7-6 record (Actually 6 -6. He didn't coach the bowl game win over OU.) in his 2nd season, not his 3rd or 4th.
Same way as Doc. Neither one was ever head coach material. At least Snyder could do a respectable job coaching defense.
Snyder would have matched and probably exceeded Doc's title game appearances. He should have been in title game his last year but blew some games we as fans think we should have could have won. That was when CUSA was decent. I think Snyder would have done well in this watered down league or in any case better than Doc.
What about Snyder’s five years of failure, where he won FOUR conference games against teams with winning records, three of those being 6-5 or the like, gives you the idea that given five or ten more years he would not continue to fail at every try?
He was a failure and a fool. Our lying POS AD kept him because he went along to get along. Together they destroyed what had been built up over 20 years.
In an alternate world where MS is still coach, MU football is 2-10 every year and on the verge of shutting down.
He was a failure and a fool. Our lying POS AD kept him because he went along to get along. Together they destroyed what had been built up over 20 years.
In an alternate world where MS is still coach, MU football is 2-10 every year and on the verge of shutting down.
The point is that Doc had a very similar first three years as Snyder’s last three. The point is that it took Doc four years to better Snyder’s last year, and that was only, not coincidentally, when C-USA became far easier.
For those attacking Snyder, you must hold Doc accountable also, as he performed at the same level as Snyder for three years. His performance only improved while getting a far easier schedule.
Had Snyder faced the same C-USA that Doc has for nine years, Snyder would have at least one conference championship, too.
Incorrect.
The failure’s last failed year was 09. He won 6 games, not coaching the bowl after finally being fired so the rebuilding of what he destroyed could begin.
In 09 MU beat I-AA Southern Illinois; 7-6 MACer BUGS; 2-10 Memphis; 3-9 Tulane; 5-7 UAB; and 8-5 SMU, which was the best record of any I-A team the failure ever beat. The team was blown out by Virginia Tech and WVU; and by 4-8 UTEP in the failure’s last game. Talk about a cupcake schedule. I-AA, 7-6, 2-10, 3-9, 5-7 and that super team at 8-5.
It is possible to argue that Doc first, 5-7, year was better. Took WVU to overtime, and in every game except 12-1 Sugar Bowl champion Ohio State (which ended up on probation). Certainly his second, not fourth, year was better, at 7-5, with 2 of the wins coming against teams now in your vaunted AAC, and one now in the ACC. He beat a bowl bound Louisville (who beat WVU in the hole) and the conference champion a 12-2 USM, who beat ACC member Virginia.
Snyder was a failure, pure and simple. Doc has built back what he destroyed. Snyder would have never won any thing more than he did, which was churn out losing season after losing season, occasionally beating other losing teams.
To be fair...regardless of what was known or not, Snyder did resign prior to the bowl game.
Not incorrect. It was his team that went 7-6. Had they lost the game, that would have been on him, also.
He beat two teams with a winning record that season, and you claim it was a cupcake schedule. The SOS that year was 89th. Want to compare Doc's SOS?
2010: 96th (5-7)
It's also possible to argue that you're sane, logical, and intelligent, yet nobody is going to buy that argument.
Let me get this straight: Your claim is that going 5-7 with an easier schedule is better than going 7-6 with a harder schedule? Jesus, Samantha. You don't shy away from making absurdly stupid arguments to continue your Hamrick/Doc slobberfest.
You claim that the 2009 schedule was a cupcake even though it was a harder schedule by every single ranking. That team finished with wins over three teams with winning records, while Doc's 2010 team finished with a win over one team with a winning record.
2009 had a harder schedule, a better record, three times as many wins as over winning teams, yet you claim the 2010 year was better. Clueless.
No, that team went 7-6, Samantha.
You mean the year they lost to Ohio by 37, lost to Houston (AAC!!!!!!!!!) by 35, lost to Tulsa (AAC!!!!!!!!!!) by 42, lost to wvu by 21, lost to VA Tech by 20, and lost to UCF (AAC!!!!!!!!!!!) by 10? Yeah, great year, Samantha.
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In all fairness the program was struggling from being on probation
Difficult time for all involved
How so. I can do math, and I can understand football. The mental defective who just “obliterated” me can do neither. To argue that a failed failure of a coach, who never had a winning season and never beat a I-A team better than 8-5 is anything but a failure is just a mental defective trying to troll this board.
Which is supposed to be your job to prevent.
Mentally healthy adults know that simply saying “not” is not a take. MS never had a winning season, and never beat a I-A better than 8-5.
Oh, TWO TEAMS. Well excuse the f*** out of me.
In the real world, a world you know nothing about, beating teams with winning records is the coach’s job. A job MS failed at, totally.
I’m not the person here who is mentally ill. You are. The mods tolerate you, but that does not make you well.
6-6. F I R E D before bowl game. But if you want to argue MS, then coaching at ECU, won a bowl game he was not at, OK. 7-6. That is called FAILURE.
In your sad mental state, you cannot refute reason and common sense. So you take the Lord’s name in vain, and then call me a girl.
Calling people a girl ceased to be a comeback in 3rd grade.
Please get help.
My fault in life is I have too much faith in the human condition. While most people, on this board, as well as in your sad empty life, simply dismiss you as a troll and a failure, I truly believe that with treatment, you could resume, or perhaps for the first time become, being a useful, mentally well, member of society. With a job, and a lifestyle that does not involve trolling obscure internet boards on subjects you don’t even have an interest in, to bother your betters.
Please, get help. There is a better life.
But my "not incorrect" comment wasn't about Snyder having a winning season (which he did have, which is yet another fallacy of yours) or never beating an FBS better than 8-5.
My "not incorrect" comment was regarding yet another lie by you claiming that Snyder's team didn't go 7-6. It absolutely did, regardless if he had left before that bowl game. It was still his team, his recruiting, his staff, etc.
In the context of the discussion, it is important. You tried claiming that a season which had an easier schedule, a worse record, and fewer wins against winning teams was better. It's simply baffling how one would attempt to make such a seriously stupid argument.
But on top of that, you argued against yourself with the same criteria in the same post. For the 2009 season, you claim it was bad because of the games (wvu and VA Tech) Snyder's team was blown out. Then, while trying to argue that the 2010 team was better (regardless of a worse record with an easier schedule and fewer wins against winning teams), you avoid the fact that Marshall was blown out by far worse margins in far more games (lost to Ohio by 37, lost to Houston by 35, lost to Tulsa by 42, lost to wvu by 21, lost to VA Tech by 20, and lost to UCF by 10).
Year to year, you change you criteria of how you grade the seasons based on who the coach was, not the true merits of each team. You flip-flop on what criteria is or isn't important in ranking each season to fit your bias, and it makes you look dumber than usual.
So 7-6 with a bowl win is failure according to you. What does that mean for a current Marshall coach who has "failed" half of his seasons while facing easier schedules than Snyder?
Do you see how you can't have it both ways, Samantha?
You think that is your fault in life? I'm quite sure River Park can identify far more serious faults with you.
Want to compare lives?
He is neither a failure or a fool....You however are and show it consistently. Mark had many negatives as a coach but I can promise you one thing, he cared more about Marshall in one season than Doc has in 10 years.....Mark's biggest struggle as a first time head coach was that he got the job late thus had to keep most of the current assistants (even ones that went against him) and had to overhaul some of the team members that felt they were above rules. However, the kids who played for Mark loved his passion and his desire to see them become successful. Doc cant say the same. Was Mark a good HC at Marshall, no he wasnt however Doc is not better. The one thing though that Doc has that Mark didnt was an AD who supports him. MH didnt support Mark from day one and it was know immediately.....
4-7 FAILURE
5-7 FAILURE
3-9 FAILURE
4-8 FAILURE
6-6 FAILURE
Never finished above 4th in division, never coached in a bowl game, never had a signature win, blown out multiple times per year, lost to a I-AA at home, best I-A win ever was a over a 8-5 team, alienated the fan base, destroyed all that had been built.
His main negative as a coach being he did not know how to do it.
My aunt Sally cares about Marshall too. And I’m pretty certain she would fail as hard as MS did.
MH was hired in the summer of 09, replacing the incompetent liar KOM. It was too late to fire MS for the 09 season, so MH told this failure that 16-31 was unacceptable, as any qualified AD would have done. MS then went out and went 6-6, 5-6 vs. I-A, with three assreaming blowouts.
What, exactly, should MH have done to “support” this failure during the 5 months he theoretically supervised him?
I'm guessing the kid with the keyboard in this thread told you that line to use, huh? Based on both of your personalities and lack of intelligence exhibited, I envision GoHerdYesMarshall (I still shake my head when I read/type that name) being a skinny 13 year old with a pot belly and you being a goofy 70 year old trying to decide between wearing your Winston Cup t-shirt or "Greatest Grandpa Alive" t-shirt to the flea market this weekend.
Even if half the honky bullsh*t you just posted were true (none of it is), it must suck to have a 13 yr old under your skin so much you have to come here to a board full of non children, to talk about it.
My mocking of you isn’t a result of you being “under my skin.” If you hadn’t noticed, I mock a lot of people who continually say stupid things. You’re just the latest one.
Now, go off on some horrible attempt of a jab about porn stars on my social media or how my dad is more successful and doesn’t accept me.
Ok...
Considering you haven't directly countered anything I have said except a few vague statements, its quite obvious you feel you'll never amount to what your family expects you to be.
Why else distance yourself? NY has opportunity as well as FL. Probably because you need to escape your family. While your mom painstakingly drives down to see you each year, likely questioning why for several hours, and your dad hesitating to paying your rent so you can try to make something of yourself but fall short. While claiming a high life and not wanting to waste your time on people you deem dumb...but apparently waste your time on people you deem dumb because why else are you here?
While some folks who were on the team the same time you were (they think you're an asshole BTW), would attest that I'm not 13 yrs old, I am younger than you and I also have more hair.
But of course accumulation of material things like porn accounts and spam satisfies your pseudo accomplished life then so be it. Also pretending to know Taylor Swift must've been a good selling point to dad...until he called you out on it as did everyone else...then it kinda blew up in your face.
This thread is the perfect example of what I am about to explain, and I end up having to explain this to all people.
Read this thread. Where did I take a jab at you? I didn't. Yet you're the one who took a jab at me for no reason. Now, when I return that jab to you in another thread, morons like you who don't remember that will think I am the bully; that I am the one going around mocking people. In reality, I am just responding to the jab that you threw first.
The same thing holds true for the child with the child's user name. I mock him after he took the first jab in another thread. Same with Samantha. I've had to explain this many times before, and you just proved my point with your actions in this thread.
Rifle is just too stoopid to realize he is walking right into the trap. Time to spring it:
Who does this sound like?
“I am the most knowledgeable, best looking, reasonable & likable guy in the room. Some people would call me a stable genius. But if you take a swing at me, if you punch me, you will find that I am the best counter-puncher in the business.”
Donald J Trump
It’s got to be k i l l I n g him to be compared to the greatest thorn in liberals sides......ever. He just sounds cornered right now. What is the # for the crisis hot line? There are people standing by to take your call......you’re reaping what you have been sowing these last several years. Couldn’t be happening to a shittier human!
Who does this sound like?
“I am the most knowledgeable, best looking, reasonable & likable guy in the room. Some people would call me a stable genius. But if you take a swing at me, if you punch me, you will find that I am the best counter-puncher in the business.”
Donald J Trump
It’s got to be k i l l I n g him to be compared to the greatest thorn in liberals sides......ever. He just sounds cornered right now. What is the # for the crisis hot line? There are people standing by to take your call......you’re reaping what you have been sowing these last several years. Couldn’t be happening to a shittier human!
I’m trying to figure out what you get out of visiting this site. You most certainly do not support Marshall, at least not anymore. You belittle the university and football program every chance you get.
Additionally, you repeat this justification so much you miss things. You said the same thing to me awhile back so I took the time to look back through that thread and sure enough it was you that started the insults. You might honestly believe you’re always justified on here, but the truth is you’re a total narcissist that enjoys insulting and tearing down others.
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Strange. I flew across the country a few weeks ago to watch Marshall play in Idaho. I must have forgotten that I don’t support them.
Yes, belittling the numerous aspects the university fails saves me from crying about the reality of the school. I choose to laugh about its failures, not accept it, and speak out about it instead of painting a flowery picture to mask the bullshit.
You’re right. In the rare instances that a moron with a pro-wvu user name comes on here to discuss the Herd, I will take unsolicited shots at him. If you can’t understand why that is, it’s safe to blame it on your wvu education.
You are completely pathetic. This board is your life. You have to come here to belittle others in an attempt to prop yourself up. It must be to compensate for your failed attempt at a coaching career.
WVU - he is border-line insane. Don’t waste any more time on him. Believe me, I know it is hard to resist, but he feeds off the negative attention. I just ignore.
As I have offered others, I’m more than willing to compare lives any time. But you probably don’t want to this week. Even by my already high standards, this last week has been more phenomenal than usual.
With no coaching connections, I became a full-time D1 head coach after just one year. Every single one of my starters who completed their eligibility ended up signing an NFL or CFL contract. That includes three QBs (though one was when I was QC for that position and not the full time coach), three receivers, and an OLB (soon to be two OLBs).
I led two FCS classes to top 25 recruiting rankings and a third to a #9 national ranking.
I’m sure you’re an expert on things that have failed, but you’re wrong on this one.
With all that skill and all those accomplishments, I’m sure Saban, Dabo, or Kirby will be calling you soon with a job offer.
You are a D1 Full time Head Coach? I guessing by the way Doc coaches, is he part-time?
What D1 school are you the Head Coach for?
