Wells

[i am herdman]

Wells is a poor mans' Brett Favre. From my limited paying attention this season thus far(other than the entire Navy game) and from what I gather, we need some running backs who can break long runs and get churning the clock when need be. That takes the pressure of the qb gun slinger. Not really even about churning the clock for long periods of time but, churning the clock to take pressure off. Our running game appears to be lacking.

 

[Chris McLaughlin]

Wells is a poor mans' Brett Favre.

Good comp.

I agree with those who say Grant needs to value the ball more BUT the kid is a gunslinger. He's going to take chances and he's going to throw INTs. That's just how he's wired. People are just going to have to accept it because I 100% believe he's our starting QB for at least two more years.

If he could eliminate throws like the INT to Willie Johnson against ECU; we'd really have something. I think he will.

 

[Chris McLaughlin]

from what I gather, we need some running backs who can break long runs and get churning the clock when need be.

We have something special in Ali. He's just now starting to play instead of over-thinking things.

I'd be surprised if he doesn't take off big time.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

We have something special in Ali. He's just now starting to play instead of over-thinking things.

I'd be surprised if he doesn't take off big time.

If he does, I hope he doesn't get visions of the big time and enter the portal after this season.

 

[redsfan5590]

Wells is Jimmy Skinner. That's his ceiling. Not Graham Gochneaur but not Pennington either. It's more than just his "trying to fit balls into tight windows", its the fact that he can't consistently make a lot of throws. There was no window on that interception Saturday night. He just underthrew the receiver by 5 yards. He tried to spike the ball on 4th and 1... He routinely overthrows receivers (points to a mechanical problem that wasn't fixed after last season).

This isn't a middle school kid, at this point fixing mechanics is not easy. He has a problem with the way he throws the ball and it causes him to have inaccuracy at times. This is the best offensive line he will play with at Marshall (most likely) if he can't take this level of protection and make something of it, then he's not going to get better IMO.

 

[raleighherdfan]

He’s played a lot more games at this point than BL. He should be ahead.

Yes. But he was running a Doc Holiday controlled offense.

 

[raleighherdfan]

The points made about Leftwitch are relevant to his 1st year, not 2nd, which is where Wells is right now.

Leftwich also had a full year sitting on the bench learning a system that worked before he played. Cant say that about Wells.

 

[raleighherdfan]

Wells is Jimmy Skinner.

 

[raleighherdfan]

we need some running backs who can break long runs and get churning the clock when need be.

Did you watch the game friday night?

 

[Chris McLaughlin]

Wells is Jimmy Skinner. That's his ceiling.

Holy hell. We’ve officially jumped the shark with the Grant Wells criticism.

And with that: I leave this thread to y’all.

 

[raleighherdfan]

Holy hell. We’ve officially jumped the shark with the Grant Wells criticism.

And with that: I leave this thread to y’all.

I'm not even sure which game(s) some "fans" are even watching at this point.

 

[i am herdman]

Leftwich also had a full year sitting on the bench learning a system that worked before he played. Cant say that about Wells.

Leftwich was on a better team around better players and had a Hall of Fame coach also. Grant Wells has a phenomenal arm, a cannon. As state by Chris, he is a gun slinger.

Jimmy Skinner? Holy Hell. That is not even remotely accurate. Damn If Pennington had Wells arm(assuming he never got hurt) he would have a Gold Jacket in Canton, Ohio. Am I saying Wells is a Pennington? No, but damn he has a cannon though. Got a Big League arm.

 

[ru4_mu2]

I'm not even sure which game(s) some "fans" are even watching at this point.

Just a hint, it wasn't the one "Friday" night. lol
But, I agree. Was puzzled by that comment. Ali had 189 yards rushing....

 

[redsfan5590]

Holy hell. We’ve officially jumped the shark with the Grant Wells criticism.

And with that: I leave this thread to y’all.

I'm just not sure what you're watching with him that gives you any confidence in him at all whatsoever. He is a completely average QB who regularly makes poor decisions and has mechanical issues in his throwing motion. But sure... he's great.

 

[raleighherdfan]

Leftwich was on a better team around better players and had a Hall of Fame coach also. Grant Wells has a phenomenal arm, a cannon. As state by Chris, he is a gun slinger.

Jimmy Skinner? Holy Hell. That is not even remotely accurate. Damn If Pennington had Wells arm(assuming he never got hurt) he would have a Gold Jacket in Canton, Ohio. Am I saying Wells is a Pennington? No, but damn he has a cannon though. Got a Big League arm.

Yeah. I’m not down at all on Wells or this team at this point. It’s asinine to be so.
We witnessed a complete implosion of an entire program at the end of last season. Zero trust and massive confusion by all (except for the biggest Doc sycophants)

Expecting any coach to walk into that environment and right the ship with 1 spring and 3 games in is simply ridiculous. The same people that seemed to give Doc multiple seasons and excuses want to already implode. It’s silly.

 

[raleighherdfan]

Just a hint, it wasn't the one "Friday" night. lol
But, I agree. Was puzzled by that comment. Ali had 189 yards rushing....

My bad. I was also at the soccer game. It was a long weekend. 😉

 

[redsfan5590]

Leftwich was on a better team around better players and had a Hall of Fame coach also. Grant Wells has a phenomenal arm, a cannon. As state by Chris, he is a gun slinger.

Jimmy Skinner? Holy Hell. That is not even remotely accurate. Damn If Pennington had Wells arm(assuming he never got hurt) he would have a Gold Jacket in Canton, Ohio. Am I saying Wells is a Pennington? No, but damn he has a cannon though. Got a Big League arm.

LOL... ok you can have the kid who struggles to read a basic defense or have awareness of safety coverage, or over throws every third receiver, or makes poor decisions, or... TRIES TO DOWN THE BALL ON 4TH DOWN. Hall of fame arm. lol might be the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life. Maybe the Arena League Hall of Fame.

 

[GoHerdMarshallYes]

Yes. But he was running a Doc Holiday controlled offense.

I was going to ask, how much of a difference for Wells is it between Doc and Huff's coaching style and how they want their offense run?

If Huff is letting Cramsey go all out, its likely being reflected on Wells' throwing. He can throw, but perhaps in his previous season, wasn't allowed to do that the way he wanted until now.

 

[i am herdman]

Yeah. I’m not down at all on Wells or this team at this point. It’s asinine to be so.
We witnessed a complete implosion of an entire program at the end of last season. Zero trust and massive confusion by all (except for the biggest Doc sycophants)

Expecting any coach to walk into that environment and right the ship with 1 spring and 3 games in is simply ridiculous. The same people that seemed to give Doc multiple seasons and excuses want to already implode. It’s silly.

I think we are further ahead that what I thought. Just being honest. Doc lost that team and half the team hated the other half of the team. Did we choke? Yep, but really we play ECU 10 times we win most of the time. We will get better.

 

[i am herdman]

LOL... ok you can have the kid who struggles to read a basic defense or have awareness of safety coverage, or over throws every third receiver, or makes poor decisions, or... TRIES TO DOWN THE BALL ON 4TH DOWN. Hall of fame arm. lol might be the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life. Maybe the Arena League Hall of Fame.

I didn't say he didn't make mistakes. I said he was a gunslinger. Does he need to learn to control it ? yes.

Are you doubting his arm? Seriously?

 

[raleighherdfan]

I think we are further ahead that what I thought. Just being honest. Doc lost that team and half the team hated the other half of the team. Did we choke? Yep, but really we play ECU 10 times we win most of the time. We will get better.

It was a definite 4th qtr choke Saturday. But we can’t put it all on Wells. The defensive scheme needed to adjust in the 4 th qtr and didn’t.
We were 3-4 plays from having 50 pts on the board. That’s not a Wells “problem”. We’re running a passing game which consistently wants to throw the ball 40+ yds down the field. That’s a completely different offense than we’ve had under Doc. I’m going to be patient.

 

[i am herdman]

It was a definite 4th qtr choke Saturday. But we can’t put it all on Wells. The defensive scheme needed to adjust in the 4 th qtr and didn’t.
We were 3-4 plays from having 50 pts on the board. That’s not a Wells “problem”. We’re running a passing game which consistently wants to throw the ball 40+ yds down the field. That’s a completely different offense than we’ve had under Doc. I’m going to be patient.

I was honestly thinking a split between ECU and App State would be good. I thought ECU was our best chance at home. Oh well, time to move on.

 

[redsfan5590]

I didn't say he didn't make mistakes. I said he was a gunslinger. Does he need to learn to control it ? yes.

Are you doubting his arm? Seriously?

Yes, I very much doubt his arm. Can he throw it hard? Sure. Does that matter if your mechanics prevent you from consistently delivering the ball accurately to your receivers? And then your decision making is lacking in addition to that....

 

[redsfan5590]

We were 3-4 plays from having 50 pts on the board. That’s not a Wells “problem”. We’re running a passing game which consistently wants to throw the ball 40+ yds down the field. That’s a completely different offense than we’ve had under Doc. I’m going to be patient.

The Wells "problem" is that he doesn't read safeties well and doesn't check down, so if the play's "A" route is a deep ball that's most likely what he throwing. If it's an underneath route he's overthrowing the receiver 30% of the time. So it limits the passing game severely.

 

[raleighherdfan]

I'm just not sure what you're watching with him that gives you any confidence in him at all whatsoever. He is a completely average QB who regularly makes poor decisions and has mechanical issues in his throwing motion. But sure... he's great.

Comparing Skinner to Wells was….well…. Laughable.

 

[raleighherdfan]

The Wells "problem" is that he doesn't read safeties well and doesn't check down, so if the play's "A" route is a deep ball that's most likely what he throwing. If it's an underneath route he's overthrowing the receiver 30% of the time. So it limits the passing game severely.

All of this points to having not been coached effectively and learning a new offensive scheme. He also makes some throws that Skinner would not have been capable of making. Seriously. Comparing Wells to Skinner was a stupid take.

 

[redsfan5590]

All of this points to having not been coached effectively and learning a new offensive scheme. He also makes some throws that Skinner would not have been capable of making. Seriously. Comparing Wells to Skinner was a stupid take.

Alright I apologize for criticizing your guy by calling his ceiling “average”. I didn’t realize that not over throwing your receivers consistently was due to not knowing the scheme. I forgot in the last scheme it routinely called for the QB to over throw his receivers as part of the game plan. And to try and spike the ball on 4th down.

 

[raleighherdfan]

Alright I apologize for criticizing your guy by calling his ceiling “average”. I didn’t realize that not over throwing your receivers consistently was due to not knowing the scheme. I forgot in the last scheme it routinely called for the QB to over throw his receivers as part of the game plan. And to try and spike the ball on 4th down.

He's not exactly "my guy". I just believe the kid will get better under a system that demonstrates coaching will actually work with him to get better. I dont believe that was the case last season.

I also pointed out this beyond just scheme......"All of this points to having not been coached effectively". This comment was directly related to mechanics and over throws.

Yes. I believe he will get better. Yes, I still believe your comparison of Wells to Skinner was stupid.

 

[redsfan5590]

He's not exactly "my guy". I just believe the kid will get better under a system that demonstrates coaching will actually work with him to get better. I dont believe that was the case last season.

I also pointed out this beyond just scheme......"All of this points to having not been coached effectively". This comment was directly related to mechanics and over throws.

Yes. I believe he will get better. Yes, I still believe your comparison of Wells to Skinner was stupid.

hey… agree to disagree. Maybe Skinner was an over reach. My point is his ceiling is average. I hope I’m wrong. But he’s maddening to watch, and I hope he learns how to read coverage. That’s all.

 

[ThunderDrunk304]

Good comp.

I agree with those who say Grant needs to value the ball more BUT the kid is a gunslinger. He's going to take chances and he's going to throw INTs. That's just how he's wired. People are just going to have to accept it because I 100% believe he's our starting QB for at least two more years.

If he could eliminate throws like the INT to Willie Johnson against ECU; we'd really have something. I think he will.

I think a more recent comparison for Wells is Zach Wilson. Maybe not as high of a ceiling but similar playing style

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

It was a definite 4th qtr choke Saturday. But we can’t put it all on Wells. The defensive scheme needed to adjust in the 4 th qtr and didn’t.
We were 3-4 plays from having 50 pts on the board. That’s not a Wells “problem”. We’re running a passing game which consistently wants to throw the ball 40+ yds down the field. That’s a completely different offense than we’ve had under Doc. I’m going to be patient.

I can't fathom why some aren't all over our DB's and their atrocious play. My golly, it didn't get any worse than during Q4 of the ECU game. Not looking for the ball, guys wide open, not closing well.

Appy will eat their lunch if they don't step up.

 

[raleighherdfan]

I can't fathom why some aren't all over our DB's and their atrocious play. My golly, it didn't get any worse than during Q4 of the ECU game. Not looking for the ball, guys wide open, not closing well.

IMO. It's not all on the DBs. The defensive scheme overall we were playing in the 4th had a lot to do with it. Appeared to be more zone type defense allowing underneath completions off QB 2 step drops. When we went man to man, our coverage appeared much better. ECU made some good catches during tight m2m coverage. The tight end for ECU was a big target and mismatch on our guys when he got open too. We failed to adjust and account for him. The defensive dead ball personal foul on the one scoring drive was a big penalty. That was an extra 15 yds on top of the play.

I expect our team to get better and better this season. I'm not seeing frustration from players on the field or sidelines. I'm not seeing hands on hips and hung heads. I see them starting to learn and believe in a process of what it means to be a team that executes effectively. Regardless of the talent we face on the remaining schedule, we have some kids capable of big plays and improving performance. We have some really good wins ahead of us.

 

[SuperAnjario]

This is one of the worst threads I've seen on a message board. Kudos to some of you for showing how stupid our fans are.

Wells has a chance to be our next star. Amazed that so many can't see it and want to blame him for a defensive meltdown.

 

[raleighherdfan]

I was going to ask, how much of a difference for Wells is it between Doc and Huff's coaching style and how they want their offense run?

If Huff is letting Cramsey go all out, its likely being reflected on Wells' throwing. He can throw, but perhaps in his previous season, wasn't allowed to do that the way he wanted until now.

The same fans bitching about Wells now, were bitching last season about an offense that ran 2 straight runs up the middle and a 1 yd swing/screen pass every series. It's a totally different offense we are running from last year. I'm going to give a kid more than 3 live games to adjust.

 

[redsfan5590]

This is one of the worst threads I've seen on a message board. Kudos to some of you for showing how stupid our fans are.

Wells has a chance to be our next star. Amazed that so many can't see it and want to blame him for a defensive meltdown.

When we set Wells up to be the next Pennington or Leftwhich, when what he had shown his ceiling to be is Stan Hill or other average QBs we’ve had, that sets the kid up for failure.

Marshall fans comparing him to hall of gamers and first round draft picks are doing no favors for a kid who struggles with the rudimentary aspects of his position. Is he done developing? No. Can he become a good QB? Sure. But right now he’s still struggling mightily with aspects of the game that have hurt us, and will hurt his chances. It’s crazy to me that we’re ready to crown him.

 

[raleighherdfan]

When we set Wells up to be the next Pennington or Leftwhich, when what he had shown his ceiling to be is Stan Hill or other average QBs we’ve had, that sets the kid up for failure

It’s crazy to me that we’re ready to crown him.

Stan was actually an above avg QB, that unfortunately suffered an injury and was never the same after.

Who put the Pennington Leftwich crown on him? Answer: the same fan that now insinuates that he is failing at his job???

 

[Marine03]

Stan was actually an above avg QB, that unfortunately suffered an injury and was never the same after.

Who put the Pennington Leftwich crown on him? Answer: the same fan that now insinuates that he is failing at his job???

Hill > Wells.
And I have no idea why anyone puts Wells, BL, CP in a sentence together. The Skinner comparison is a bit harsh, Wells is better than that

 

[redsfan5590]

Stan was actually an above avg QB, that unfortunately suffered an injury and was never the same after.

Who put the Pennington Leftwich crown on him? Answer: the same fan that now insinuates that he is failing at his job???

In this thread we have thrown out: (paraphrasing) 'hall of fame arm', comparisons to BL and CP, "a poor mans Brett Favre", and Zack Wilson the #2 pick in the draft a year ago.

For a guy who last year fell apart at the end of the year, and then so far this year has thrown more interceptions than touchdowns including a game ending INT, after trying to spike the ball on 4th down, and has issues in his mechanics that haven't improved since last year.

Again, the kid is not the worst QB in my lifetime, and chances are he won't be the worst QB from here on out. But let's all take a beat and stop with the comparisons to Favre, Wilson, CP, and BL. Root for the kid and let him be Grant Wells. If that's all he turns out to be great. When we set expectations too high it only hurts the kid.

 

[raleighherdfan]

Root for the kid and let him be Grant Wells.

In this thread we have thrown out: (paraphrasing) 'hall of fame arm', comparisons to BL and CP, "a poor mans Brett Favre", and Zack Wilson the #2 pick in the draft a year ago.

Were you not the one comparing him to Skinner??

No one in this thread has put him at the level of Byron or Chad. Period. There are components of his game that if he can eliminate errors and improve could make him a very, very good QB.

Denying he has an arm with the strength to make professional level throws demonstrates not many are watching him. (That doesn't mean he's a professional level QB or will make the league)

We've also had posters point out correctly that not all the passes dropped or intercepted were completely on Wells which some of you continue to ignore.

When we set expectations too high it only hurts the kid.

It's comments and pitiful comparisons like you make that "hurt the kid"....(skinner)

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

When we set Wells up to be the next Pennington or Leftwhich, when what he had shown his ceiling to be is Stan Hill or other average QBs we’ve had, that sets the kid up for failure.

Marshall fans comparing him to hall of gamers and first round draft picks are doing no favors for a kid who struggles with the rudimentary aspects of his position. Is he done developing? No. Can he become a good QB? Sure. But right now he’s still struggling mightily with aspects of the game that have hurt us, and will hurt his chances. It’s crazy to me that we’re ready to crown him.

So we go with Zban? Is that the solution? If so, that’s hilarious