When did FB change from support the team to entertainment only?

[Herd-nificent]

It's hard for an old timer to understand this concept. IMO you go to games, donate whatever amount you can afford, wear green and white and be loyal to the team.

Now "what's in it for me" seems to have replaced the old standard.

 

[korun]

Sorry man but to blindly follow something because it’s just what you have always done is never good. I don’t think anyone looks at it as”what’s in it for me” as this doesnt really make sense to me. Football is entertainment. While it would suck if we woke up tomorrow and football no longer existed, but we would survive. It’s a game. We are paying for a product and the product is terrible. If Monty’s pizza was the pizza you ate with your parents as a kid and then as an adult it start showing up burnt or undercooked every single order, then you would stop buying it. To me, I love Marshall, but it’s no difference than Monty’s. I consume it and will not support it when it gets to the point that every time you order it, it’s a crappy product. It might be hard to hear, but this doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. I will never blindly support my almamater due to the football program. Education, yes. Sports that mean nothing, no.

 

[exHerdSID]

I don't think he said "blindly follow" but you may have interpreted it that way. He wasn't advocating a blind allegiance but seemed to be trying to define the conditions for supporting the football program. I would agree with you that it is entertainment only, and people should support it if they enjoy it.
I would expand on his premise with the idea that a positive entertainment value does not only come from winning. For many, many years, people supported the Herd without those wins.
I also don't think that someone should blindly support their alma mater, either, if they disagree with how the university is being run or how they are offering their educational package.
All of that said, I do think it is OK to disagree with certain elements of how a football program or AD is being run. In some ways, that is more like supporting the program, because you care enough to be concerned.
The reaction and upset over play-calling should not be interpreted as a lack of support by the department, rather a strong show of support. I think this is how I reacted to Yuracheck's comments. Always support the players that have followed the requirements of being part of the team and program, disagree with the coaches if you want to, but caring whether we have a winning record or not, or winning championships is not related to supporting the players.
Happy Thanksgiving!

 

[Herd1972]

Sorry man but to blindly follow something because it’s just what you have always done is never good. I don’t think anyone looks at it as”what’s in it for me” as this doesnt really make sense to me. Football is entertainment. While it would suck if we woke up tomorrow and football no longer existed, but we would survive. It’s a game. We are paying for a product and the product is terrible. If Monty’s pizza was the pizza you ate with your parents as a kid and then as an adult it start showing up burnt or undercooked every single order, then you would stop buying it. To me, I love Marshall, but it’s no difference than Monty’s. I consume it and will not support it when it gets to the point that every time you order it, it’s a crappy product. It might be hard to hear, but this doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. I will never blindly support my almamater due to the football program. Education, yes. Sports that mean nothing, no.

So student athletes do not deserve our support and encouragement in both athletics and education? This is how most of them improve their lives exponentially.
They are representing my alma mater and I intend to support them in all areas. They may not win all of their games, but they are winners for getting an education through their athletic abilities. I hope you never have a son or daughter play for a losing team. Would you show up and support them anyway? Even if you didn't like the product and felt entertained? And how is showing respect for young people that are working hard equal to buying a good or bad pizza?

 

[korun]

It’s a sport that is done for fun. Sorry to have a different thought and feeling than you.

 

[Herd1972]

It’s a sport that is done for fun. Sorry to have a different thought and feeling than you.

No need to apologize, but you did not answer my questions.

 

[All4TheHerd]

I think people need to look at how they are presenting their diasgareements with their alma mater.
Its one thing to disagree with coaches and express those dislikes.
Its an entirely different thing to say "boycott MU football, show the AD we want change" because that puts the people who are genuinely trying to do well, in the same boat.
I don't always like Legg's playcalling and don't agree with Doc's ultra conservative playcalling when he has shown this season, he is capable of really pummeling opponents.
But I won't take my disagreements beyond something that will affect what others, like the players, are working hard to do.
Not to mention, the fans need a realistic expectation of the team and MU in general.
It was mentioned in another thread about Kevin Sumlin being on the hot seat despite the decent record.
Well, yeah, they can afford to do that. Pretty much everyone in the SEC can. C-USA cannot...nor can we.
If a repeat of 2016 happened then yes, thats grounds to fire the staff, but not when things are turning around, regardless if you agree with the process or not.
One also has to accept that we are not Bama and we will make a mistake here or there...get over it.
The mere fact Yurachek sent out that tweet and apparently Rakeem Cato has expressed his own thoughts on the matter, shows the fans need to be more clear about themselves, if its enough for players to tweet about it, its a problem.

 

[AllEers6]

How would the program have got back on its feet in the late 70's and early 80's if it was about entertainment. The losing may have driven fans away to the point a program was no longer fielded if it was just about entertainment. At some point it is about supporting a University you have pride in. If this team had a losing record I would at least listen to our fans complain but this team still has a chance to win 9 games. Im sorry but that is a fan base that is spoiled

 

[AllEers6]

Sorry man but to blindly follow something because it’s just what you have always done is never good. I don’t think anyone looks at it as”what’s in it for me” as this doesnt really make sense to me. Football is entertainment. While it would suck if we woke up tomorrow and football no longer existed, but we would survive. It’s a game. We are paying for a product and the product is terrible. If Monty’s pizza was the pizza you ate with your parents as a kid and then as an adult it start showing up burnt or undercooked every single order, then you would stop buying it. To me, I love Marshall, but it’s no difference than Monty’s. I consume it and will not support it when it gets to the point that every time you order it, it’s a crappy product. It might be hard to hear, but this doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. I will never blindly support my almamater due to the football program. Education, yes. Sports that mean nothing, no.

What message does this send to a potential new coach? Wow, you can never please the fans at that school so Im not coaching there. To please them you have to win and entertain.

 

[All4TheHerd]

How would the program have got back on its feet in the late 70's and early 80's if it was about entertainment. The losing may have driven fans away to the point a program was no longer fielded if it was just about entertainment. At some point it is about supporting a University you have pride in. If this team had a losing record I would at least listen to our fans complain but this team still has a chance to win 9 games. Im sorry but that is a fan base that is spoiled

Sadly, its the evolution of the college sport in general.
It used to be about fielding a team for the passion of the game and support for school pride.
Now its all about money.

 

[Herd-nificent]

Sadly I also believe that for a few "fans" their self image is tied to being able to "walk real loud and talk real proud" about the Herd.

 

[jocktalker]

Sadly I also believe that for a few "fans" their self image is tied to being able to "walk real loud and talk real proud" about the Herd.

So very true!

 

[i am herdman]

It's hard for an old timer to understand this concept. IMO you go to games, donate whatever amount you can afford, wear green and white and be loyal to the team.

Now "what's in it for me" seems to have replaced the old standard.

when coaches started making all the big money, all the fancy uniforms for each game and big large scoreboards with tv and instant replay. Indoor practice facilities, Nike contracts, and tv contracts.

When coaches even at small schools are making $800,000 a year and then on the other end the coach at Alabama makes $11 million. Either way that is good money for both of them. So, it turned into a big time money game and entertainment industry.

D1 football is nothing more than minor league football for the NFL.

Donating what you can and going to the games is for youth football and maybe high school and cheering no matter what for the old team is for those levels. Well the boys tried hard is not the saying for D1 football. Maybe for Pop Warner but not this stuff.

College football at the D1 level is entertainment. 85 guys getting a free college deal and coaches making millions did that in. Even at Marshall is the coach fails he walks away with a 5 year deal when he make 3 to 4 million or so over the life of his contract.

Unfortunately, this turned into a business.

 

[BleedsGreen33]

What message does this send to a potential new coach? Wow, you can never please the fans at that school so Im not coaching there. To please them you have to win and entertain.

That is true of any job. Pretty hypocritical post coming from an eer fan. You know the school amd fans that ran off Bill Stewart off because 9-3 wasn't good enough and not beating opponents by enough.

Should we support our players? Yes. However what is being demonized in this thread is exactly what goes on every where when the same stuff happens.

The problem is when it happens at a school like Marshall it's whole lot more noticable as our faithful fans number about 15-20k instead of 30-40k so when the casual fan stops coming it looks really bad.

 

[AllEers6]

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That is true of any job. Pretty hypocritical post coming from an eer fan. You know the school amd fans that ran off Bill Stewart off because 9-3 wasn't good enough and not beating opponents by enough.

Should we support our players? Yes. However what is being demonized in this thread is exactly what goes on every where when the same stuff happens.

The problem is when it happens at a school like Marshall it's whole lot more noticable as our faithful fans number about 15-20k instead of 30-40k so when the casual fan stops coming it looks really bad.

I have degrees from both school and no what happened to Stew was not right but it should not justify another school from doing the same

 

[sistersville]

Change your name from koron to koran because most everything you wrote is false

 

[BleedsGreen33]

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I have degrees from both school and no what happened to Stew was not right but it should not justify another school from doing the same

To a large degree FBS college football has gotten out of control. Like Alabama for example. They are at the top. No amount of money is going to take them higher than they already are, but they still push for more and more.

There should be a cap on spending and get back to what CFB was all about in the first place. Instead it's turned into a corrupt money making system that in reality only services about 10-15 schools. Wvery one else is being sold a bill of goods while the networks and conference commissioners rake it in.