Why are we bad at basketball????
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we also relied too heavily on JUCO transfers for too many years. This was TH's fault but his recruiting strategy was terrible. I could understand using that for one or two years maybe. but he relied on JUCO's the entire time he was here. You can't build a program that way.
We may be the worst D1 (out of 300 and some) basketball team in America. We are the worst shooting college basketball team i have ever seen. It's sad.
We may be the worst D1 (out of 300 and some) basketball team in America. We are the worst shooting college basketball team i have ever seen. It's sad.
There is no commitment to the program. Hell, look at the last coach and the ones before him and then look at the process of hiring the new coach. It is almost a joke.
1 - Tom Herrion
2 - You are some 2 star kid and looking for a spot. MU offers this: bus to CRW (or even CMH), split up among multiple puddle jumpers, cool your heals in CLT or ATL or DCA or wherever, hope to all end up in the right town, bus an hour to stumptown U, play, motel, bus two hours to backwater U, play, bus an hour to some airport for the reverse). Academics? Some team in some other conference offers a league that is 250 mile, top to bottom and side to side, another offers a functional airport in the city it is in, another even has charters. You make the decision.
3 - Tom Herrion
4 - You are some 2 star kid looking for a spot. MU offers this: a 35 year old arena that was an act of architectural and political malpractice when built and has not been cleaned in 20 years; banners in the rafters the last significant one of which is from 15 years before you were born, a coach that talks about the good ole day that were 25 years before that, and playing before a sea of empty seats, the filled ones mostly being used by people in their golden years. Every game is 1000 students, unless school is out, and the same 3000 old people. Some other school offers a recent history and names you have heard of. You make the decision.
5 - Tom Herrion
6 - You are some 2 star kid looking for a spot, and you ask about TV: MU offers this: well, some of our games are on this American Sports Network, which isn't really a network, its kind of on the dot two channels in some places, some time. Maybe 4 or 5 games, and then we are on CBS, well CBSSN for 2 or 3 games, and then the rest is on this internet deal that is unwatchable. Some other league offers 20 games on ESPN3, 10 on a real channel. You make the decision.
7 - Tom Herrion
8 - Tom Herrion
MU basketball has to, to be competitive, get the $$ to fund charter flights, get 75% of our games on TV, and get the HC in some kind of presentable shape. Otherwise, we are just going through the motions.
2 - You are some 2 star kid and looking for a spot. MU offers this: bus to CRW (or even CMH), split up among multiple puddle jumpers, cool your heals in CLT or ATL or DCA or wherever, hope to all end up in the right town, bus an hour to stumptown U, play, motel, bus two hours to backwater U, play, bus an hour to some airport for the reverse). Academics? Some team in some other conference offers a league that is 250 mile, top to bottom and side to side, another offers a functional airport in the city it is in, another even has charters. You make the decision.
3 - Tom Herrion
4 - You are some 2 star kid looking for a spot. MU offers this: a 35 year old arena that was an act of architectural and political malpractice when built and has not been cleaned in 20 years; banners in the rafters the last significant one of which is from 15 years before you were born, a coach that talks about the good ole day that were 25 years before that, and playing before a sea of empty seats, the filled ones mostly being used by people in their golden years. Every game is 1000 students, unless school is out, and the same 3000 old people. Some other school offers a recent history and names you have heard of. You make the decision.
5 - Tom Herrion
6 - You are some 2 star kid looking for a spot, and you ask about TV: MU offers this: well, some of our games are on this American Sports Network, which isn't really a network, its kind of on the dot two channels in some places, some time. Maybe 4 or 5 games, and then we are on CBS, well CBSSN for 2 or 3 games, and then the rest is on this internet deal that is unwatchable. Some other league offers 20 games on ESPN3, 10 on a real channel. You make the decision.
7 - Tom Herrion
8 - Tom Herrion
MU basketball has to, to be competitive, get the $$ to fund charter flights, get 75% of our games on TV, and get the HC in some kind of presentable shape. Otherwise, we are just going through the motions.
Where are all the guys who applauded while canty, Brantley and Thomas left?
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You've mentioned this before, and it just isn't relevant in recruiting kids. A kid may ask if the team flies to most games, but he isn't asking if they have a layover or not. He isn't asking if denton, Texas has an airport to fly into or if they fly into Dallas and bus 40 minutes to denton.
Sure, some teams have charters, but most of Marshall's peers aren't chartering to the majority of their games. Marshall isn't Memphis in basketball.
There is commitment to the program. We haven't had a decent national search for a coach in ......forever. There were some good coaches out there and we ignored them.
That's because Danny's bunch is too busy shooting 30% from the floor. I feel like we don't have to worry about his players getting into trouble because they know they don't belong at this level so they aren't going to make waves haha
A coaching staff of John Wooden, Mike Kryzewski, Phil Jackson and Pat Rielly would have no chance with the guys we are running out there this year.
The bigger question is, how do we remedy that problem.
Step 1. Sell recruits on playing time.
Step 2. Land 4-5 legit D1 players over the next two years.
Step 3. Slowly build back to respectability.
The bigger question is, how do we remedy that problem.
Step 1. Sell recruits on playing time.
Step 2. Land 4-5 legit D1 players over the next two years.
Step 3. Slowly build back to respectability.
Because we have decided to be a "football school" that plays basketball. (sort of). Very hard for small schools to afford the financial and other commitment needed to be relevant in both sports, especially coming out of a perpetual "one-bid" league. Not much pizazz to sell to recruits. While I get tired of reading SamC's typical vitriol-filled diatribe about WVU as the college version of the anti-Christ, most of the points in this thread are spot-on.
My question has always been: Why did we choose to focus seemingly exclusively on football? I lived through the crash and realize what it meant (a friend's older brother was on the team and perished that day). So that's understandable and certainly part of the reason why. But it was 40 years ago.
It's so much easier for Marshall-type universities to be good in basketball that it just seems to me like we should have made a greater push toward the hardwood over the past 25 years instead. In C-USA , even our best football teams (like this year) are barely a blip on the national radarr. I mean, who besides our own fans will remember or care about winning the Boca Bowl three years from now? Nobody. Those games don't raise your program.
But get through C-USA with a conference title (which should be reasonably possible now, with Memphis gone), and basketball affords smaller programs a "fair chance" to become a Butler, Gonzaga, Villanova, etc. You can make a name for your school, nationally, that way. Football just doesn't provide that kind of chance for us, and it's just going to get worse with the P5 split that everyone knows is coming.
Then again, I'm a big college basketball fan (football too; both sports really), so maybe it matters more to me. I just don't think the funding (donors) or fan support exists to be relevant in both. So be happy being a "football school" in a mid-major league, or shift the resources more toward Basketball.
My question has always been: Why did we choose to focus seemingly exclusively on football? I lived through the crash and realize what it meant (a friend's older brother was on the team and perished that day). So that's understandable and certainly part of the reason why. But it was 40 years ago.
It's so much easier for Marshall-type universities to be good in basketball that it just seems to me like we should have made a greater push toward the hardwood over the past 25 years instead. In C-USA , even our best football teams (like this year) are barely a blip on the national radarr. I mean, who besides our own fans will remember or care about winning the Boca Bowl three years from now? Nobody. Those games don't raise your program.
But get through C-USA with a conference title (which should be reasonably possible now, with Memphis gone), and basketball affords smaller programs a "fair chance" to become a Butler, Gonzaga, Villanova, etc. You can make a name for your school, nationally, that way. Football just doesn't provide that kind of chance for us, and it's just going to get worse with the P5 split that everyone knows is coming.
Then again, I'm a big college basketball fan (football too; both sports really), so maybe it matters more to me. I just don't think the funding (donors) or fan support exists to be relevant in both. So be happy being a "football school" in a mid-major league, or shift the resources more toward Basketball.
Bad hiring is at the top of the list of why MU basketball is no longer relevant.
The last hire who put together a program was Huck. It would be hard to find a trio better than Skip Henderson, Rodney Holden and Tom Curry. It was the day of 10,000 fans at the Henderson Center, conference titles and NCAA tourney appearances.
Things really fell apart when Dwight Freeman was given the head coaching job. MU was still a good job back then, and MU gave it to a very young and inexperienced assistant. Within a short period of time, the Henderson Center went from pretty full to nearly empty as the losses piled up.
Billy Donovan was hired to replace Freeman. It was an outstanding hire, but MU could not keep him for a significant length of time. He departed after two seasons and even took MU's best player with him.
Greg White seemed to be the right guy. Talent was pretty good when Greg had the job. Unfortunately, his better teams, no matter how high the squad was seeded, were back from the MAC tourney after just one game.
Ron Jirsa was a proven failure as a head coach. Yet, MU hired him.
The lack of coaching continuity, losing seasons, aging Henderson Center, indifference by MU brass to the success or failure of the program, rise of football and decline of basketball boosters add up to a sinking ship.
D'Antoni needs to get out and bring in a solid recruiting class- now! Here is the class Bob Zuffelato brought in back in 1980. This was his first real recruiting class.
David Wade 6'6" wing player from Huntington High. Averaged 19 points and 14 boards at Fork Union.
Laverne Evans 6'4" wing player out of Lockport, New York. Leading scorer in state of New York. 34.4 points per game and 16 rebounds.
Sam Henry 6' guard out of Daytona Beach Mainland High. Averaged 18 points and 18 assists in high school.
It's time for D'antoni to deliver the goods like Zuffelato did. No reason it can't be done especially with Huntington Prep in town.
This post was edited on 1/11 12:13 AM by marshallmba
The last hire who put together a program was Huck. It would be hard to find a trio better than Skip Henderson, Rodney Holden and Tom Curry. It was the day of 10,000 fans at the Henderson Center, conference titles and NCAA tourney appearances.
Things really fell apart when Dwight Freeman was given the head coaching job. MU was still a good job back then, and MU gave it to a very young and inexperienced assistant. Within a short period of time, the Henderson Center went from pretty full to nearly empty as the losses piled up.
Billy Donovan was hired to replace Freeman. It was an outstanding hire, but MU could not keep him for a significant length of time. He departed after two seasons and even took MU's best player with him.
Greg White seemed to be the right guy. Talent was pretty good when Greg had the job. Unfortunately, his better teams, no matter how high the squad was seeded, were back from the MAC tourney after just one game.
Ron Jirsa was a proven failure as a head coach. Yet, MU hired him.
The lack of coaching continuity, losing seasons, aging Henderson Center, indifference by MU brass to the success or failure of the program, rise of football and decline of basketball boosters add up to a sinking ship.
D'Antoni needs to get out and bring in a solid recruiting class- now! Here is the class Bob Zuffelato brought in back in 1980. This was his first real recruiting class.
David Wade 6'6" wing player from Huntington High. Averaged 19 points and 14 boards at Fork Union.
Laverne Evans 6'4" wing player out of Lockport, New York. Leading scorer in state of New York. 34.4 points per game and 16 rebounds.
Sam Henry 6' guard out of Daytona Beach Mainland High. Averaged 18 points and 18 assists in high school.
It's time for D'antoni to deliver the goods like Zuffelato did. No reason it can't be done especially with Huntington Prep in town.
This post was edited on 1/11 12:13 AM by marshallmba
I applauded and I'm still applauding.. Sure in the short term it has left the cupboard awfully thin but you can't get to where I (and I think everyone on this board) wants the basketball team to be with guys like that.. You can win some games with them but you can't win when it matters with those types of players.. They were cancers. Good riddance.
Loop isn't a D1 starter.. I think everyone knows that.. but he's played his ass off this season and proved his scholarship and roster spot are warranted.. Like I said he shouldn't be a starter but he's shown the shooting skills and the scoring ability to play a certain role off the bench.. We are just so bad this year he is having to play outside of that role.. But he shooting 43% from 3 after tonight.. That's pretty good.
It's really simple : football equals more money. Even at our level. If we shifted funding towards basketball then we could become relevant in basketball but we would fall off in football. While football brings in a lot of money, it also costs a lot of money. So if you choose to be a basketball school at our size your Football program REALLY suffers. Look at UAB. A lot of schools our size that are basketball heavy schools either have pathetic football programs or no program at all. I would rather have a great football program and a mediocre basketball program. The key, as has been stated is hiring... gotta do better.
I realize that we have had a long history of being a basketball school but it is recent history that is relevant. We are a football school, people across America think of marshall as a football school. They think of pennington, Leftwhich, the movie... our basketball history is irrelevant nationally speaking.
Honestly our football program is stronger historically than our basketball program historically.
I have been a Marshall hoops fan since 1956. It is now and always has been my favorite Marshall sport. With that said, how can we say we are/were a basketball school when we have yet to win a single NCAA tournament game?
Huck's teams made the NCAA tourney three times in the 1980s. MU has not been back since 1987!!! That's nearly three decades of futility.
Our younger fans should see what the Henderson Center looked like when 10,000 fans jammed the place and watched the Herd in action. Here is a clip placed on youtube by Don Turney. Turney, known for his great dunks, was later drafted by the NBA. The basketball season is 1984-1985.
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Our younger fans should see what the Henderson Center looked like when 10,000 fans jammed the place and watched the Herd in action. Here is a clip placed on youtube by Don Turney. Turney, known for his great dunks, was later drafted by the NBA. The basketball season is 1984-1985.
marshallhoopsvideo1
Back in the day when our fans were not disguised as empty seats! Henderson Center held over 10,000 in those days.
Herd averaged 8,541 fans that season. Huck's crew averaged 8.916 fans at the Henderson Center in 1985-1986.
People like a winner!
Average attendance was as low as 3,544 in 2006-2007.
This post was edited on 1/10 11:36 PM by marshallmba
muhoopsvideo3
Herd averaged 8,541 fans that season. Huck's crew averaged 8.916 fans at the Henderson Center in 1985-1986.
People like a winner!
Average attendance was as low as 3,544 in 2006-2007.
This post was edited on 1/10 11:36 PM by marshallmba
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I'LL say this. The team was coming back and begged the fans to get on their feet and the fans did not help, nor the stupid person playing the music! The fans just sat on their hands. Pathetic! It's like going to a minor league baseball game...stupid music while fans drink their beer and the game is a pastime. That's how the music person treats this game. The cheerleaders were no help. The CK band was in world of its own..... I appreciate them being there, but they don't have a clue and the Ath. Dept has absolutely no coordination. if you want to be big time , you have to act big time. It's embarrassing for our coach and our team who give their all! The MUBB experience is Jr. High.
Hamrick could enhance the basketball experience by putting a winner on the court. By winner, I mean conference championships.
And I want to say Zuffelato produced that great recruiting class less than a year into the job. Those three kids he recruited were huge contributors as freshmen! One recruit was even drafted by the NBA.
I don't have enough years left on this planet to watch retired high school coaches learn how to coach at this level. This isn't going to work out unless he recruits at a high level and that needs to start now!
And I want to say Zuffelato produced that great recruiting class less than a year into the job. Those three kids he recruited were huge contributors as freshmen! One recruit was even drafted by the NBA.
I don't have enough years left on this planet to watch retired high school coaches learn how to coach at this level. This isn't going to work out unless he recruits at a high level and that needs to start now!
Haha making the tournament 3 times in a decade and somehow thats our basketball legacy??
The reason smaller schools can compete is because they dont have football...or they arent on the top level of football.
In case you havent noticed...football costs a ton of money just to maintain...more coaches...more players...venues are larger...etc.
How did Butler do in their bowl game? Gonzaga? How did the CFP group omit Creighton from the top 25?
Whats that? They arent D1? Ohhh! No wonder they have the ability to win in basketball.
Thats where their resources go!
Marshall has NEVER had a major basketball presence...ever.
If 3 NCAA tournament appearances and zero wins is the bar for us then we are pitiful at best.
I think DD isnt in a good situation...however he is in year 1...and yes, we are going to suck before we get better.
But even with Herrion...Marshall showed they could compete in both football and basketball and narrowly won CUSA in both...not bad if you ask me.
But to act insulted at how bad we are right now is a laughable sadness...because we have always been pretty bad before.
But rest assured...I think Dan is going to turn it around and Dan can do it in quicker time.
Also...how many accounts can extragreenherdmanjack have?
To answer what he is saying...
Marshall is getting with the program of college sports. Money.
If it were about winning...wvu would never have left the old Big East. We wouldnt have conference expansion and players would enjoy the benefits of a goddamn free education.
Basketball is popular because it maintains the old perspective of sports...anyone can compete at the highest level.
But even the good basketball schools with legendary coaches...had to sit and watch their entire team switch conferences for their less than stellar football team. Case in point Syracuse. Jim Boeheim was pissed about leaving...and he supposedly runs that school.
Some even stupidly wanted to go back down to D1AA like a yellowbelly retard and focus on basketball.
If that happened...we would lose Doc. We would have zero money. We also would have a lesser fanbase because we stepped backwards out of the prime spotlight for a lesser gig at a less attractive time.
Basketball is always going to take a backseat to football...because the idea of fairness is overtaken by greed all the time.
But Marshall can do it...they can actually raise the bar in basketball...its not like it has been raised very high in the past.
The reason smaller schools can compete is because they dont have football...or they arent on the top level of football.
In case you havent noticed...football costs a ton of money just to maintain...more coaches...more players...venues are larger...etc.
How did Butler do in their bowl game? Gonzaga? How did the CFP group omit Creighton from the top 25?
Whats that? They arent D1? Ohhh! No wonder they have the ability to win in basketball.
Thats where their resources go!
Marshall has NEVER had a major basketball presence...ever.
If 3 NCAA tournament appearances and zero wins is the bar for us then we are pitiful at best.
I think DD isnt in a good situation...however he is in year 1...and yes, we are going to suck before we get better.
But even with Herrion...Marshall showed they could compete in both football and basketball and narrowly won CUSA in both...not bad if you ask me.
But to act insulted at how bad we are right now is a laughable sadness...because we have always been pretty bad before.
But rest assured...I think Dan is going to turn it around and Dan can do it in quicker time.
Also...how many accounts can extragreenherdmanjack have?
To answer what he is saying...
Marshall is getting with the program of college sports. Money.
If it were about winning...wvu would never have left the old Big East. We wouldnt have conference expansion and players would enjoy the benefits of a goddamn free education.
Basketball is popular because it maintains the old perspective of sports...anyone can compete at the highest level.
But even the good basketball schools with legendary coaches...had to sit and watch their entire team switch conferences for their less than stellar football team. Case in point Syracuse. Jim Boeheim was pissed about leaving...and he supposedly runs that school.
Some even stupidly wanted to go back down to D1AA like a yellowbelly retard and focus on basketball.
If that happened...we would lose Doc. We would have zero money. We also would have a lesser fanbase because we stepped backwards out of the prime spotlight for a lesser gig at a less attractive time.
Basketball is always going to take a backseat to football...because the idea of fairness is overtaken by greed all the time.
But Marshall can do it...they can actually raise the bar in basketball...its not like it has been raised very high in the past.
Herd was very good at both basketball and football in the late 1980s. It does not have to be one or the other.
With the way athletic departments are run now, it pretty much does have to be one or the other. That doesn't mean we can't have 2 (or more) very good teams at once. It just means that for the time being, we have to choose which program to throw the biggest part of our budget behind.
Dollars don't always equal wins. Smart hires do. If you have a good AD you will be competitive no matter how large your budget is. Look at the A's in baseball, their payroll is ridiculously small compared to the Yankees, but the Yankees sat home this year and the A's were a playoff team. We just have to be smart with who we hire as a coach and we can be competitive in multiple sports. The problem is we have to be smarter and more innovative than bigger athletic departments, because we have many more challenges than they do.
I agree the basketball atmosphere is a joke. Overall I feel that our athletic department is a joke.
Dollars don't always equal wins. Smart hires do. If you have a good AD you will be competitive no matter how large your budget is. Look at the A's in baseball, their payroll is ridiculously small compared to the Yankees, but the Yankees sat home this year and the A's were a playoff team. We just have to be smart with who we hire as a coach and we can be competitive in multiple sports. The problem is we have to be smarter and more innovative than bigger athletic departments, because we have many more challenges than they do.
I agree the basketball atmosphere is a joke. Overall I feel that our athletic department is a joke.
Tom Herrion did to us what he did to College of Charleston when he was head coach there. First of all Hamrick should have never hired him.
It comes down to bad coaching hires plain and simple. There were much better candidates available and we chose guys who should have never been given the job. You pass on Gregg Marshall not once but twice? and instead get guys like Jirsa and Jones followed by Herrion and then Dan D'Antoni. Very questionable hiring for sure. Now I do hope D'Antoni is successful and he may prove to be in a couple of years but just being honest, nobody else in the country would have hired him as head coach.
I know many of the younger posters on this board have no memory of the Huckabay era at MU. I found this video from his early days as a MU head coach. There is also a segment in the video with Don Turney.
Marshall University and our entire area sure misses Ashland Oil.
Inside Marshall Basketball with Rick Huckabay
Marshall University and our entire area sure misses Ashland Oil.
Inside Marshall Basketball with Rick Huckabay
An exciting part of the Stu Aberdeen era was the pre-game circus. Greg White was certainly the star of the Herd's warm-ups.
In this video White shows the young kids how to handle the rock!
This post was edited on 1/11 8:44 PM by marshallmba
Greg White video
In this video White shows the young kids how to handle the rock!
This post was edited on 1/11 8:44 PM by marshallmba
Greg White video
I don't think anyone here expects that MU has to be a "national power" in basketball. But we have a right to expect that Marshall should be a competent, competitive and representative basketball program worthy of conference and national respect. A team that competes annually for the top echelon in the conference and that is competitive against the non conference teams we play, including the occasional "power" teams.
We have to look no farther than some of our fellow CUSA teams. Both Western KY and LA Tech have quality and competitive football AND basketball programs. Their BB teams are able to reach the post season on a somewhat regular basis and they have good national reputations. Just hope that MU can attain the same.
That said, I am afraid his record indicates that Mike Hamrick considers basketball as little more than an afterthought. His record overall, not just at MU, is not good when it comes to selecting basketball head coaches. He chose Herrion's brother, Bill, as head coach at ECU, which was unsuccessful and apparently that relationship was a significant factor in selecting Tom as head man at MU (despite as we remember many messages from College of Charleston fans warning us about how Tom ran that program into the ground). I'm afraid Hamrick often takes the easy way out, or the "cheapest" alternative, when it comes to selecting basketball head coaches. Hopefully, Danny D will work out, and that we will give him ample time to prove himself and his program at MU. Just hope Hamrick will give him a fighting chance by providing at least adequate resources, funds, etc., for recruiting and other program needs necessary to develop the kind of program we all desire.
We have to look no farther than some of our fellow CUSA teams. Both Western KY and LA Tech have quality and competitive football AND basketball programs. Their BB teams are able to reach the post season on a somewhat regular basis and they have good national reputations. Just hope that MU can attain the same.
That said, I am afraid his record indicates that Mike Hamrick considers basketball as little more than an afterthought. His record overall, not just at MU, is not good when it comes to selecting basketball head coaches. He chose Herrion's brother, Bill, as head coach at ECU, which was unsuccessful and apparently that relationship was a significant factor in selecting Tom as head man at MU (despite as we remember many messages from College of Charleston fans warning us about how Tom ran that program into the ground). I'm afraid Hamrick often takes the easy way out, or the "cheapest" alternative, when it comes to selecting basketball head coaches. Hopefully, Danny D will work out, and that we will give him ample time to prove himself and his program at MU. Just hope Hamrick will give him a fighting chance by providing at least adequate resources, funds, etc., for recruiting and other program needs necessary to develop the kind of program we all desire.
gregg marshall was only possibly available to us once, not twice. at the time he was a good, but far from sure thing hire. he had gotten worse every year (if i recall correctly) at winthrop. it wasn't until after that opportunity to hire him when we hired jirsa did he really turn it on there and win like 25+ for the next several years, by the time we were done with jirsa we had no shot at marshall.
This post was edited on 1/12 9:06 AM by herdit44
RESEARCH herdit44...before you expound. Permit me to CORRECT you!
Greg Marshall served Marshall University as an assistant coach from 1996-98. Greg earned his first head job at Winthrop (Rock Hill, SC) in 1998. He coached the Eagles until 2007 [9 years] where he directed the basketball program to seven Big South Conference tournament championships and seven (7) trips to the NCAA tournament.
Marshall's last tournament team defeated Notre Dame, for Winthrop's first-ever first-round NCAA tournament victory.
When Greg departed Winthrop for Wichita State following the 2006-07 season, he was the winningest coach in Big South history with 194 victories.
Hardly a 25% winning record as you claimed & posted.
Greg Marshall was inducted in Winthrop's Hall of Fame in 2013.
Marshall recruited players to Winthrop & Wichita State and he created the term..."Play Angry", [/I] a mantra for success to play with PASSION.
While at Winthrop, Greg urged professors to "teach angry" and for Eagle/Shockers fans to turn out & CHEER ANGRY.
His coaching style mirrors Dan's quite a bit since they are close friends. During Dan's introduction as The Herd's new basketball coach.....D'Antoni said...."If they (Wichita State) can go to the Final Four...why not MARSHALL UNIVERSITY!"
I BELIEVE in Dan's ability and I hope to live to see him recruit players that will take The HERD to the Final Four.
Gary (HerdZilla22) Sweeney in Charlotte
Greg Marshall served Marshall University as an assistant coach from 1996-98. Greg earned his first head job at Winthrop (Rock Hill, SC) in 1998. He coached the Eagles until 2007 [9 years] where he directed the basketball program to seven Big South Conference tournament championships and seven (7) trips to the NCAA tournament.
Marshall's last tournament team defeated Notre Dame, for Winthrop's first-ever first-round NCAA tournament victory.
When Greg departed Winthrop for Wichita State following the 2006-07 season, he was the winningest coach in Big South history with 194 victories.
Hardly a 25% winning record as you claimed & posted.
Greg Marshall was inducted in Winthrop's Hall of Fame in 2013.
Marshall recruited players to Winthrop & Wichita State and he created the term..."Play Angry", [/I] a mantra for success to play with PASSION.
While at Winthrop, Greg urged professors to "teach angry" and for Eagle/Shockers fans to turn out & CHEER ANGRY.
His coaching style mirrors Dan's quite a bit since they are close friends. During Dan's introduction as The Herd's new basketball coach.....D'Antoni said...."If they (Wichita State) can go to the Final Four...why not MARSHALL UNIVERSITY!"
I BELIEVE in Dan's ability and I hope to live to see him recruit players that will take The HERD to the Final Four.
Gary (HerdZilla22) Sweeney in Charlotte
Another simple minded person...
I recall it wasn't too long ago where everyone on this board was worried Herrion was going to be leaving elsewhere.
He had us at the highest point we'd been in...well...a really long time.
I'm not trying to defend what his overall body of work was, but for a time, he was on the upside and he DID have us at a pretty high level in our conference.
Hamrick hired him because Donnie sucked. Hamrick didn't like Donnie. Hamrick hired Tom. Tom beat a ranked wvu and had us at 5-0 over a tough Cincy team as well at one point. He also was better than Donnie.
Also, you think Marshall would rather transition to a basketball school?
Do you really think that is going to happen? Considering our history is entirely rooted in football to begin with?
Hell no! The same with Alabama or Auburn or really any of the SEC who isn't Florida or Kentucky...or any of the major football schools. Some occasionally do produce good basketball teams...but the real good ones, have found an identity of one or the other.
Hamrick doesn't take the easy way out...he really has no other option when it comes to money. He can't afford to pay a coach a competitive salary...we struggle to pay the football coaches anything because of fickle idiots on here who refuse to go to bowl games (by the way, nobody ponied up the dough like I did and sent the Big Green a check of protest...did they? Cheap bastards). If they donated a dollar for every complaint thread on here, we would have a million dollar head coach.
So what makes you think Hamrick's going to have any finances for a basketball coach?
I would almost venture to say Dan D'Antoni is doing this basically for free...because if he were any younger and had a shred of success, he'd be tossed offers left and right.
Why else do WV people seem to work out as coaches and outsiders don't? Because they only really know how dirt poor the state is and how cheap the fans are.
Oh, and nice job judging Hamrick on this season alone...as well as WKU and LT.
WKU has won 8 games only twice going back to 2008 I believe in football. They beat us. Good job. They won't win the conference and they didn't win it this season. It took a miracle dropped pass for them to get to 8 wins this season with an aging 10 year of eligibility QB now.
LT? I don't know much of their history in either basketball or football...we beat them in football. We will likely lose in basketball but whatever, we could win C-USA and waste their winning season.
If Danny D doesn't work out, you guys will complain to Hamrick more than ever...yet, Hamrick brought back one of Marshall's...something you idiots always seem to obsess over "why can't Chad come back and coach?" "Why can't we hire Mike D?!! We need Huck again! Huck's Herd and their underachieving success in a crap-tastic conference 30 years ago!" "Why not keep the Veterans Field House up? It was packed!!!"
"Why can't we ever expand our crowds at football or basketball??"
Hamrick went out and got, probably, the best person for coaching this team in a very long time. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out, but I won't blame Hamrick one bit for it.
I recall it wasn't too long ago where everyone on this board was worried Herrion was going to be leaving elsewhere.
He had us at the highest point we'd been in...well...a really long time.
I'm not trying to defend what his overall body of work was, but for a time, he was on the upside and he DID have us at a pretty high level in our conference.
Hamrick hired him because Donnie sucked. Hamrick didn't like Donnie. Hamrick hired Tom. Tom beat a ranked wvu and had us at 5-0 over a tough Cincy team as well at one point. He also was better than Donnie.
Also, you think Marshall would rather transition to a basketball school?
Do you really think that is going to happen? Considering our history is entirely rooted in football to begin with?
Hell no! The same with Alabama or Auburn or really any of the SEC who isn't Florida or Kentucky...or any of the major football schools. Some occasionally do produce good basketball teams...but the real good ones, have found an identity of one or the other.
Hamrick doesn't take the easy way out...he really has no other option when it comes to money. He can't afford to pay a coach a competitive salary...we struggle to pay the football coaches anything because of fickle idiots on here who refuse to go to bowl games (by the way, nobody ponied up the dough like I did and sent the Big Green a check of protest...did they? Cheap bastards). If they donated a dollar for every complaint thread on here, we would have a million dollar head coach.
So what makes you think Hamrick's going to have any finances for a basketball coach?
I would almost venture to say Dan D'Antoni is doing this basically for free...because if he were any younger and had a shred of success, he'd be tossed offers left and right.
Why else do WV people seem to work out as coaches and outsiders don't? Because they only really know how dirt poor the state is and how cheap the fans are.
Oh, and nice job judging Hamrick on this season alone...as well as WKU and LT.
WKU has won 8 games only twice going back to 2008 I believe in football. They beat us. Good job. They won't win the conference and they didn't win it this season. It took a miracle dropped pass for them to get to 8 wins this season with an aging 10 year of eligibility QB now.
LT? I don't know much of their history in either basketball or football...we beat them in football. We will likely lose in basketball but whatever, we could win C-USA and waste their winning season.
If Danny D doesn't work out, you guys will complain to Hamrick more than ever...yet, Hamrick brought back one of Marshall's...something you idiots always seem to obsess over "why can't Chad come back and coach?" "Why can't we hire Mike D?!! We need Huck again! Huck's Herd and their underachieving success in a crap-tastic conference 30 years ago!" "Why not keep the Veterans Field House up? It was packed!!!"
"Why can't we ever expand our crowds at football or basketball??"
Hamrick went out and got, probably, the best person for coaching this team in a very long time. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out, but I won't blame Hamrick one bit for it.
Huck's Herd and their underachieving success in a crap-tastic conference 30 years ago!"
If you mean 4 Conference Championships, 3 Conference Tournament Championships, 3 trips to the NCAA Tournament, 1 NIT, and wins over WVU (4), TCU, Cincinnati, Clemson, and Baylor.......
Than yeah, I'd take it!
If you mean 4 Conference Championships, 3 Conference Tournament Championships, 3 trips to the NCAA Tournament, 1 NIT, and wins over WVU (4), TCU, Cincinnati, Clemson, and Baylor.......
Than yeah, I'd take it!
And don't forget Huck recruited the school's top two all-time scorers and produced multiple NBA draft picks!
I would take that in a minute!!!!
I would take that in a minute!!!!
I like Dan, he's an MU legend; but if anyone thinks this was the best coach we could hire, I got some beach front property in Harts to sell you real cheap. This was a high risk/reward hire by Mike. He isn't paying him squat and he hopes DD can turn us into a winner in 3-4 years. Which it will take every bit of that. jmo.
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