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Why Doc's Gotta Go

herdalicious

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After yesterday's game (and the game before that) (and the game before that), fans have been quick to call for Doc's job. I would entreaty folks not to judge Coach Holliday on these few losses, and rather look at his entire body of work. Therein you will find the most valid reason for Marshall to cut ties.

Looking back at 11 years, the only thing I can say conclusively about the coaching accumen of John "Doc" Holliday is that he cannot build a lasting structure, even within the context of his own tenure. He came in at the turn of the decade and took over a program that had been mired in five years of absolute failure, that had only a minimal uptick in momentum after beating Ohio U in a bowl game. He had a QB in Brian Anderson that is probably a fantastic Tax Accountant or something. (Maybe even a great Dad too at this point, so if you're reading this Brian, I love you buddy.)

Marshall took its lumps as the Holliday program was built, and after a rocky first three years, Junior Rakeem Cato lead Marshall to its most successful campaign in years in 2013, and things were headed in the right direction. The following year we tore through C-USA on our way to a title, and down on the field that cold, wet, rainy December day, I truly believed we were back to our old form.

It lasted a year and a half.

In 2017, we started the rebuild of the rebuild, bringing in the talented if mercurial Isaiah Green, and building a strong defense that would prove to be the best in the league. Each year we seemed to build a little bit more and a little more, and headed into 2020 we had every reason to think a senior-laden team would make major waves in CFB. We had the best schedule we'd had in forever, it was the 50th anniversary of the plane crash, and all the stars were aligning.

Then that old bastard Undisclosed Reasons came back to bite us, and our three-year starter at QB was no more. Next up, a pandemic ravaged our schedule, but that would actually seem to be a salve, since we were breaking in a Freshman QB. It looked like things were still golden, going 7-0 against some of the best and brightest teams the bottom 10% of FBS has to offer, but then the wheels came off.

Turns out, Doc Holliday's Marshall v2.0 had only lasted three years after all, we really were rebuilding, and v2.5 would last all of seven games before imploding.

Doc's a mad scientist that can get the formula almost right, but then it boils over and explodes, spraying broken glass and little burned chunks of viscera everywhere. Poor ol' Janitor Joe has to get out there with his mop and start cleaning, and we start the process of rebuilding the lab again. Again. Again.

Thesis: There is no reason whatsoever to believe a coach who can't build a stable program under his own guidance would be able to build such a program that could be handed off to someone else. If we bring him back, it only delays the next rebuild, and we have no way of knowing what will be dripping from the rafters of the laboratory for Joe to mop up when its over.

(Appendix: Prayer to Yahweh, God of Abraham - Please God please let all this subterfuge and chicanery have been the result of Doc's paranoia, and not a cover for a deep regimen of cheating that will get us penalized back to the stone age when he leaves, Amen)
 
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That’s a spot on OP. A guy who has had control for this many years, and is suppose to be a recruiting guru, doesn’t have the lack of continuity Marshall has unless it’s because you are losing guys early to the NFL every year.

Doc fell into the Pruett trap, got lazy recruiting, too many props, too many low character guys. Both had many fine young men, but the bad apples are toxic.
 
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I wouldn't object to hiring rifle as the next coach. I imagine it would be fun to give the coach hell after a loss, only to have the coach log on and give you hell back.

We could even have a post game segment on Pullman, live with the coach*

* start time all predicted on when he was finished tea bagging the cheerleaders.

I would imagine the people's moderator, herdman, would do a fantastic job hosting that event every week, and the off season would also consist of many special events, like coach rifle, live from bush gardens.
 
I wouldn't object to hiring rifle as the next coach. I imagine it would be fun to give the coach hell after a loss, only to have the coach log on and give you hell back.

We could even have a post game segment on Pullman, live with the coach*

* start time all predicted on when he was finished tea bagging the cheerleaders.

I would imagine the people's moderator, herdman, would do a fantastic job hosting that event every week, and the off season would also consist of many special events, like coach rifle, live from bush gardens.
Jack of all trade’s that rifle is. Between his extravagant corporate career and his professional fighting of the teenagers from his apartment complex, I’m not so sure we could be lucky enough to land him.
 
Marshall’s Doc Holliday, who just wrapped up his 11th season leading the Thundering Herd, is coaching in the final year of his deal as well. Holliday’s contract is set to expire June 30th, 2021. Which means it is certainly possible that the 63 year old Holliday could have coached his last game with the program over the weekend with their loss to Buffalo in the Camellia Bowl. It’s equally as likely that Doc has “more in the tank” and considering the success they’ve had, Marshall inks him to an extension.

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I would bet good money if Snyder played Docs schedules in CUSA 3.0 he would have similar records. Jmho
I'd bet my entire salary Snyder would still struggle to post a winning season. Dude had Ahmad Bradshaw and couldn't post a single winning season.
 
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I'd bet my entire salary Snyder would still struggle to post a winning season. Dude had Ahmad Bradshaw and couldn't post a single winning season.

Well, Snyder had probation, way harder OOC money games and way harder CUSA 2.0 and had one winning season in 5 years. Doc started in that same boat and only had one winning season in his first 3’seasons. CUSA fell apart and he got a watered down OOC schedule and his record got better.

For the record, I didn’t think Snyder was a good coach. He probably put in a third of the effort Doc does, he would be just as likely to be drinking Grey Goose and playing slots at Rivals as working on game plans, but the results really aren’t that different when adjusted for competition.
 
Well, Snyder had probation, way harder OOC money games and way harder CUSA 2.0 and had one winning season in 5 years. Doc started in that same boat and only had one winning season in his first 3’seasons. CUSA fell apart and he got a watered down OOC schedule and his record got better.

For the record, I didn’t think Snyder was a good coach. He probably put in a third of the effort Doc does, he would be just as likely to be drinking Grey Goose and playing slots at Rivals as working on game plans, but the results really aren’t that different when adjusted for competition.
That may be so, but Snyder made in game decisions that make Doc look like Bill Walsh.
 
What, you not a fan of the double reverse in your own end zone?
And why cover a TE inside the 5, that position is just a glorified lineman.
Now Skinner, you listen, & you listen good: Under no circumstances are you to throw the ball!! Take a knee.......(next snap) crowd: BOOOOOOOO !!!
 
I'd bet my entire salary Snyder would still struggle to post a winning season. Dude had Ahmad Bradshaw and couldn't post a single winning season.
He wasn’t good and in over his head; but the teams he played were a hell of a lot better as a whole than what we play now. Jmo
 
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He wasn’t good and in over his head; but the teams he played were a hell of a lot better as a whole than what we play now. Jmo
That may be, but Snyder would struggle as a HS coach. Some people just aren't made to be HC. He's a decent to good at times position coach and DC, but he doesn't possess the skillset to be the HC.
 
That may be, but Snyder would struggle as a HS coach. Some people just aren't made to be HC. He's a decent to good at times position coach and DC, but he doesn't possess the skillset to be the HC.
Certainly agree with that. Thank the Gibson’s and KO for that.

Many coordinators aren’t cut to be HC’s.
 
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Certainly agree with that. Thank the Gibson’s and KO for that.

Many coordinators aren’t cut to be HC’s.
I will never forget them going live on air during one of our games on ESPN with that lists of coaches that started out with losing seasons (Lou Holtz, Frank Beamer, Tom Landry) saying they thought Snyder was the next one to follow that pattern. I have never laughed so hard.

Everyone should have been fired that night.

And by the way. IMO hiring Brad Lambert is the equivalent of hiring Rick Minter. That's who fans wanted after the Pizza Bowl. A safe pick with a mediocre coach because the fans liked him personally.

If "he's a nice guy" starts out or is included in anyone's hire justification that candidate should be immediately dismissed.
 
I will never forget them going live on air during one of our games on ESPN with that lists of coaches that started out with losing seasons (Lou Holtz, Frank Beamer, Tom Landry) saying they thought Snyder was the next one to follow that pattern. I have never laughed so hard.

Everyone should have been fired that night.

I remember that vividly. So embarrassing.
 
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I will never forget them going live on air during one of our games on ESPN with that lists of coaches that started out with losing seasons (Lou Holtz, Frank Beamer, Tom Landry) saying they thought Snyder was the next one to follow that pattern. I have never laughed so hard.

Everyone should have been fired that night.

And by the way. IMO hiring Brad Lambert is the equivalent of hiring Rick Minter. That's who fans wanted after the Pizza Bowl. A safe pick with a mediocre coach because the fans liked him personally.

If "he's a nice guy" starts out or is included in anyone's hire justification that candidate should be immediately dismissed.
NO ONE wants Brad lambert
 
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