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Why Ollie's departure to the NCAA will leave a bigger mess than he left WVU

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There's a cancer that just left the state of W.V. That cancer was Ollie Luck.

A self serving attorney that dismantled the WVU program, cost the state 1000s of jobs and set himself up as the Czar of the entire state.
He leaves WVU much like every other endeavor he took over. In debt, in managerial shambles, with two drunks for his two biggest sports. Rather than
Being a visionary and promoting an in state game between Marshall and WVU, Luck took it upon himself to try and stop any competition between the two instate schools. He cost 100s of jobs by doing so and the state easily lost a million in IN STATE taxable revenue by his self serving actions. But that wasn't enough for Luck, as he also began a campaign of smear tactics against Marshall to belittle our program.

As time went by his miracle hire Dana Holdmyself began to sour on the fan base. On Oct 12th in west Texas Tommy Tuberville exposed Dana's brilliant offense by simply telling his backers to "stay home". Since that fateful day almost 3 years ago, the Eerbilly program became the new homecoming queen school for the Big 12.

Meanwhile in Huntington around the exact same time, a Doc Holliday squad was beginning to make some noise. 3 years later, we have 3 bowl WINS and a new state of the art IAF even WVU is trying to figure out how can we do that and get the state to pay it and claim were still self supporting. With each Marshall success the negative rhetoric spewing from Lucks jaws increased. He knew the writing on the wall was now started and he had to exit ASAP. He went to Texas where they gave him a once over, recalled him bankrupting the Houston team he ran and said thanks but no thanks.

The worst part in all this was not only the economic loss Luck created, it was the rift he created that the eerbilly base quickly mimicked, and the eerbilly nation having no idea he was using wvu as another stepping stone and getting out while the getting was good. Meanwhile Holgersons teams floundered and his OC also seeing the writing on the wall also used WVU as a stepping stone to go to a low level SEC football school.

But here's the real WORST part about Lucks rapid unannounced move to the NCAA. It's attorneys do one thing very well. They help OTHER attorneys make money while also serving themselves too by getting in between two parties. The two parties now? It's me and you college football fan.

Look for Luck to begin the process of pushing player payments ASAP. What does that do you ask? Well it will begin the bidding war, a war where the monies will grow larger and larger. What next? Then comes college football ATTORNEY agents. Yes this will lead to a second PRO league with attorney agents making millions off the machine Luck will try to install. In the end those actions will leave college football exactly where WVU is now. Ruined, broke, and destroyed. Like every other endeavor Luck has joined, it ends in disaster...and this my friends is the real reason why we at Marshall should mourn Lucks leaving a shambled WVU, he will do the same to college football and ruin the game so many of us love.
 
Gheez, You sound like a bitter old man that things did not go as you had wished. Welcome to planet Earth my friend. You speak like you are all knowing about Oliver Luck when I would venture to say this post is solely speculation on your part. What is worse is you took the time to type that rant. Hope it made you feel better. Yes, I read your board. Have for years. I like to read what is going on with the other WV in-state university. I do not have the "us versus them" mentality. Also, That is why Rivals has links to other message boards. Peace Out!
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imstraveleer, trolling the outfit that means nothing. It doesn't matter I can't read, what do you expect from a uspam hilljack.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Ollie Luck ends up in prison like Bernie Madoff.
 
Really? USPAM? Hilljack? Is that the best reply you can come up with? I said nothing to degrade Marshall University. By, The way, I live in South Carolina and was lucky enough to find a great job in the IT field. Slow day here today so I thought I would cruise a few sites. I was born and raised in the Great State of WV and Bleed Gold and Blue. I pull for Marshall when I have an opportunity to catch a game. I am going to go out on a limb and say you probably have some "Hilljack" in your family tree. So I would not throw that term around as an insult. You just may get a call from a relative that may not be to happy about it. Nuff said....
 
I really have not followed Luck and WVU to the detail to say if any of that is correct. however that last set of statements about players being paid I could definantly see that happening. Player agents and more and more money being spent which would screw up college football completely and see that senario as very possible once players start getting money in addition to their schollys
 
hilljack is for you elitist hillbillys that troll the Marshall boards. What you call cruising is trolling. You are typical hilljack troll. There is nothing positive about uspam football so you come over here. How do you have a career in IT? You cannot read and follow directions. Read the top of this board clueless. hilljack trolls have no life, that is why they come where they are not wanted. Herdnation provides a place for you and you don't even use it. You are not wanted, not needed, not welcomed. Go someplace else to bleed your blue and baby shit yellow. Do not come on here trolling and spout about how you support MU. If that were the case you would have been here doing so without troll cruising.
 
hilljack

1)hilljack

From the southern region of the Midwest (see Southern Ohio, Northern Kentucky, Western Pennsylvania and the better part of West Virginia). Hilljacks have a penchant for sleeveless t-shirts, Blackfoot and Molly Hatchet and low-end regional beer. Family gatherings come in the form of cookouts and all of them culminate in drunken brawls and multiple arrests. Young hilljack chicks are usually very attractive but undergo a metamorphosis sometime after they have their third kid before the age of twenty.

2)hilljack

A poor, lower-class, white trash person who believes he/she is better or of a higher class than a hillbilly. Tends to make fun of hillbillies or hicks believing that he /she is not one.
 
Originally posted by ThatNehlenFeelin:
like how MU needs WVU to continue to exist?
We have only been around since 1837. Go sit on a green pickle.
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This post was edited on 12/31 4:52 PM by i am herdman
 
There you go with those names again. "Elitist". Must have pushed the right button. You have a Great New Years! You will probably be the life of the party whoever you are. Come on down to the West Side of Charleston the next time I am in town and we will discuss sports of our great institutions . Your GPS will guide you there....
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It has been leaked that under operation "Deflect our failure" campaign the WVU admin has promised wvu fans that for every 10 negative post on a Marshall story they will receive $5 more in welfare supplements. It was also noted that with each snide remark a 1% discount will be given to the poster at their favorite Walmart. This has brought out an unusual amount of trolls.
.BUT as with everything the WVU admin promises...they can not deliver and again the hilljacks will be left disappointed and quoting their favorite montra..."Wait 'til next year"
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That post was so far off I feel like I lost brain cells by reading it.There is no mess or debt in the WVU athletic department. Revenues are way up and,18 months after paying a large exit fee for leaving the BE early,WVU showed a $5million profit.Not only are conference/tv revenues way up, he ditched MSN and dramaticly increased our radio revenues. This money is paying for extensive stadium and facility upgrades. The only negative that any Mountaineer fan sees is that we don't win as often in football, but we are in a way better conference. Which is a trade we were, and are still, in favor of. That is a trade that every one of you would make too, if you are honest with yourself. Oliver Luck was hired to do one thing for WVU and that was to get us out of the BE.He sold us to the Big12, out-hustling Louisville and others in the process. And his term is considered a major success by all except for a few who liked Bill Stewart and still hold that against Ollie. The fact that we are not playing football in the AAC, is all we need to make his tenure here a positive thing in the history of WVU atathletics.
 
He said in his first interview when hired by the NCAA he is going to push through players getting paid. It is definately coming.
 
Originally posted by Herd In the Plains:

hilljack is for you elitist hillbillys that troll the Marshall boards. What you call cruising is trolling. You are typical hilljack troll. There is nothing positive about uspam football so you come over here. How do you have a career in IT? You cannot read and follow directions. Read the top of this board clueless. hilljack trolls have no life, that is why they come where they are not wanted. Herdnation provides a place for you and you don't even use it. You are not wanted, not needed, not welcomed. Go someplace else to bleed your blue and baby shit yellow. Do not come on here trolling and spout about how you support MU. If that were the case you would have been here doing so without troll cruising.
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Funniest comment I've ever read.
 
Good Lord you're insane! Absolutely insane. Please tell me you don't actually believe the things you're saying? If you're trolling I give you kudos my friend because that's the best I've ever read.

If you're not trolling then you need to seek help right away.
 
Originally posted by TheGreenhouseEffect:
There's a cancer that just left the state of W.V. That cancer was Ollie Luck.

A self serving attorney that dismantled the WVU program, cost the state 1000s of jobs and set himself up as the Czar of the entire state.
He leaves WVU much like every other endeavor he took over. In debt, in managerial shambles, with two drunks for his two biggest sports. Rather than
Being a visionary and promoting an in state game between Marshall and WVU, Luck took it upon himself to try and stop any competition between the two instate schools. He cost 100s of jobs by doing so and the state easily lost a million in IN STATE taxable revenue by his self serving actions. But that wasn't enough for Luck, as he also began a campaign of smear tactics against Marshall to belittle our program.

As time went by his miracle hire Dana Holdmyself began to sour on the fan base. On Oct 12th in west Texas Tommy Tuberville exposed Dana's brilliant offense by simply telling his backers to "stay home". Since that fateful day almost 3 years ago, the Eerbilly program became the new homecoming queen school for the Big 12.

Meanwhile in Huntington around the exact same time, a Doc Holliday squad was beginning to make some noise. 3 years later, we have 3 bowl WINS and a new state of the art IAF even WVU is trying to figure out how can we do that and get the state to pay it and claim were still self supporting. With each Marshall success the negative rhetoric spewing from Lucks jaws increased. He knew the writing on the wall was now started and he had to exit ASAP. He went to Texas where they gave him a once over, recalled him bankrupting the Houston team he ran and said thanks but no thanks.

The worst part in all this was not only the economic loss Luck created, it was the rift he created that the eerbilly base quickly mimicked, and the eerbilly nation having no idea he was using wvu as another stepping stone and getting out while the getting was good. Meanwhile Holgersons teams floundered and his OC also seeing the writing on the wall also used WVU as a stepping stone to go to a low level SEC football school.

But here's the real WORST part about Lucks rapid unannounced move to the NCAA. It's attorneys do one thing very well. They help OTHER attorneys make money while also serving themselves too by getting in between two parties. The two parties now? It's me and you college football fan.

Look for Luck to begin the process of pushing player payments ASAP. What does that do you ask? Well it will begin the bidding war, a war where the monies will grow larger and larger. What next? Then comes college football ATTORNEY agents. Yes this will lead to a second PRO league with attorney agents making millions off the machine Luck will try to install. In the end those actions will leave college football exactly where WVU is now. Ruined, broke, and destroyed. Like every other endeavor Luck has joined, it ends in disaster...and this my friends is the real reason why we at Marshall should mourn Lucks leaving a shambled WVU, he will do the same to college football and ruin the game so many of us love.
Textbook case of insanity.

This post was edited on 12/31 7:04 PM by Manleyeer
 
I was probably kicking ass and getting it kicked on the West Side before you ever were in the plan. Are you even old enough to have gone to the great Stonewall Jackson High School?
 
I love threads like this. Brings out all the eer stalkers who usually just read the board every single day of their life, but never post.
 
Sure educated me Banker. I had no idea we meant so much to so many hilljacks without a life. Sure get their panties in a wad! Please remember, they do not troll, they cruise. Poor guys want to talk like they all have a 1970 Chevelle SS, and they may, but it is a clone with a 4 cylinder.
 
Originally posted by banker6796:
I love threads like this. Brings out all the eer stalkers who usually just read the board every single day of their life, but never post.
hook line and sinker...



what a bunch of fish......................
 
Hilljacks are summa cum gradiates of Wirt County of Elizabeth and three/quarters of them have a prize coon dog that has cuckholded half of Doddridge County. Let's gooooooooooooooo Mountaineers! I'm a double first cousin to Jed Drennen!
 
Eerbilly trolls, come to grips with reality.

Huggins is a drunk.

Holdmyself is a fake.

Ollie used you as a stepping stone.

He's an attorney that sees the opportunity to make himself and his fellow attorneys milliions ( as a paid consultant) whilst still holding an office at the NCAA. Corruptly I might add.

He alone will spearhead player payments to start the college agent revolution.

I see pharm D students now graduating with 90,000.00 in college student loans, yet for Ollie that matters not. He's all about Ollie. In his
Path desertion and destruction always lie. Players DO NOT NEED FURTHER COMPENSATION THAN A COLLEGE DEGREE!!!!!

He is a CANCER.

He will ruin college football.

Eerbilly nation, hear me now, all the crap he fed you to say to Marshall was just that...crap! You were stupid enough to buy it, and now the sociopath that sold it to you, is GONE from your institution. He used you and paved his way to a better place for him. In the meantime he cost the state millions of dollars and 100s of jobs. He is a CANCER. Everything surrounding him in time dies.

Don't believe me? Look at your football teams record of late.

Lets change the course of WV history now, sign a 20 year home and home and begin again to rebuild from a corrupt Czars reign.
 
A 20-year home-and-home series with WVU will happen just about the time when hell freezes over and pigs fly ... (no, probably not that soon). Forget all the Ollie conspiracies, etc. Marshall can gripe, complain, taunt, whatever - WVU isn't ever going to agree to a long-term OOC series with Marshall, or any other non-P5 schools, for that matter. And while the Pruett taunts, chicken suits and billboards didn't help matters any, this is really jjust comes down to money and status. Money to the schools, and (in the near future) money to the players. College football really will become P-5s and "others".

If the CFB Committee proved nothing else, it made clear to P5's that they schedule G-5 teams at their own peril, in terms of meaningful playoff and bowl opportunities. And it makes no business sense for WVU to play in Huntington, even if the other reasons weren't already such significant impediments to such a series. WVU would probably agree to a 3 for 1 with Marshall, and possibly a 2 for 1 if the dates happen to fit their needs perfectly, but no way they ever agree to a continuous series with Marshall. They have MD, and would like to resume a yearly series with Pitt and VaTech; otherwise, it will be the typical 1 for 1 with SEC teams, etc., and they have no trouble getting those arranged. future G-5 teams, for WVU, will be mainly "bought" one-offs. Reality.
 
OK, here goes.

Luck (who is NOT an attorney, he has a law degree, he has never practiced law ever and if he ever even took the Bar exam, never passed it) was bad for WVU. This was not unforeseeable, as ever endeavor he has ever participated in was a failure. Selling soccer to Texans, real football to Germans, cup of coffee in NFL, the aforementioned spending 3 years getting a law degree and not being a lawyer, playing to no real effect at mid-major WVU, not getting picked by Notre Dame (where he wanted to go). So on. A career of failure. A life of failure.

Now, did he damage WVU in his all-to-brief tenure? Certainly. For 30 years the Spamtard was told a Big Lie. That WVU football was "the big time". The various versions of the Lambert Least/Big Least were the same as what goes on in True Major conferences. And here comes the Great Realignment. Now, as it did in the two past realignments, the smart play for WVU was to cower and stand pat. The lap dog media would have played along and the Spamtard would have bought it. Rather, he actually took WVU into a True Major conference (albeit the lowest of the five, but still...) where it cannot compete. Not now, not ever. Never. Never ever. Never. This was a mistake. In some alternate universe, WVU just won the American and the Spamies all have their panties in an uproar that they deserved the bid over Boise State. (BTW, how many teams turned the Big 2, Little 8 down before they got to WVU? 10? 20? who knows)

Then he totally bungled the IMG deal. The IMG deal (which contrary to Spamtard mythology is pretty standard across the sport and for less money than most every other deal with P5 leagues) would have gone to IMG honestly. He had to interfere in a game his team was going to win anyway. And, in doing so, pissed off Raese and thus has WVU games on vaginal formatted radio stations no body listens to and half the state cannot even receive.

He did, eventually, get the Pre-Revolution state legislature, in its final year, to pay for a baseball park out of 100% state taxpayer money. All 19 WVU baseball fans thank him.

Now he moves on to the NCAA. Paying the players means AAA NFL. You really think ESPN needs WVU in its AAA NFL? Laugh. WVU loses money at sports, now. (yes, it does, look at the state budget, it is right in there) OK, Spamtards, have it your way. Despite all the FACTS, WVU really makes money now.
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WV is among the smallest states with "P5" football. Paying the players means, at best, WVU is now the Oakland A's of this coming AAA NFL, if that. And, in reality, ESPN needs no more than 30 to 40 big time teams. They don't need WVU. They don't want WVU. They want AAA NFC South Texas at AAA AFC North Ohio State followed by AAA NFC South Florida State at AAA AFC South Alabama on a random Saturday in October 2025. WVU really cannot afford to pay its players, AT ALL, but, certainly it cannot afford to pay its players one-twentieth want USC or Florida or Georgia or, yes, I said it, Illinois can. And, having done in Texas A&M, Nebraska, et al, in putting together its Big 2, Little 8 Longhorn Network league, you really think Texas will think for 30 seconds before doing in WVU when ESPN tells it what the next plan is.

So in 2020 or 25, WVU is, with Marshall, in the second division. And then the real meltdown begins. Living in a delusional world where you are going to win the Rose Bowl, next year (which never comes) and Johnny Twostar is going to win the Heisman (but never does) is a sad world. But living in a world where you hope to make the I-AA playoffs and maybe even beat Indiana in the first round, before falling to Syracuse. The fairweather WVU fanbase will fall away, even more than it already has.
 
In short SamC is saying this Eerbilly Nation.

"be careful what you ask for as you may surely get it"

I see a realignment, realignment coming in the next 4 years or so. Colleges will not be able to afford the mess Ollie is about the create in Indianapolis.

All the travel costs, the increasing salaries, pressures to win( which causes further corruption) will create a fiscal nightmare of epic proportions.

Then one day someone in NYC wil call up Pitt Cinci WVU Marshall Navy East Carolina etc etc and ask, are you guys tired of living in a bus and paying some executives wages in the conference office in Dallas? If so I have a much better financial model that will still make you just as much money with 75% less travel and a logistical fan base that can actually make an away game. (this action will infuriate a corrupt Ollie trying to keep the money train flowing, along with his buddies in the executive chairs at conference offices that now have millions to lose, look for million dollar lawsuits to follow)


Bottom line, SamC is right. You have a nice school, nice facilites etc. But you aren't Texas, Florida, Georgia, or Tennessee. Your about to get used a second time by Ollie, only this iime it will be even wor$e.

Wake up WVU. Start thinking progressively for the school you love and the state you reside in.
 
Old snark, new year.

Some of the "spamite" and similar stuff used to occasionally make me giggle a bit - but that was about, oh, 5-6 years ago. Time for a new script. It's just not funny anymore, and blaming the world's ills on WVU, Luck, Morgan Town, etc., does nothing to advance Marshall. It just looks pathetic. I'm no WVU fan, but I'm no MU homer either. Guess that comes with a little age and perspective. But geez, guys, can't we give the Ollie bashing a rest? He's not the source of all that ails Marshall. Neither is WVU. They do what they believe is in the best interest of their university, same as MU does.

Spending your time wishing and hoping for WVU's failure does nothing to help Marshall achieve success. If and when it is in their best interest to schedule a football game against Marshall, they will, under terms they think help them. And if the terms don't also benefit Marshall, we won't agree. Until that happens, they won't play -- and in the new landscape (post-CFB Committee scenario), WVU has much less incentive to schedule a home and home series with any G-5 program. Those games hurt a P-5's SOS and their bowl opportunities. (Just ask Baylor.) That's the new reality. They are a P-5; we're not. The rules have changed. They are dealing with that, just as Marshall is. They are fortunate to be better positioned for that "new reality," and they have Oliver Luck (and Dr. Clements, with plenty of help from then-OSU President Gee) to thank for managing to get them a place at the adult table.

I have no idea whether Luck ever passed, or even took, a state Bar exam. I do know he was a two-time Academic All-American and a Rhodes finalist, then managed to graduate from law school at the U of Texas while holding down a job with the Oilers in the NFL. If he can do all that, questioning his intellect and claiming his life has been a "failure" is just plain ridiculous. (I should know - back in '83 I passed Bar exams in 2 different states in the same week. So I know what it entails. It wasn't easy, but the 3-year grind to graduate from a good law school is much tougher than passing the exam afterwards; so if he could accomplish that, he's qualifies as a "lawyer" as far as I'm concerned.). I wish him well at the NCAA.
 
I know more than a few lawyers of questionable intellect. Anyway....

I agree with Sam. The day of reckoning is coming, and it will end college football as we know it. WVU will be left behind, as will MU. MU will be fine with this, WVU fans will shit their pants. This is not me wishing harm on WVU, it is the economics of the future. Money has already damn near ruined college football, you actually think the situation will get better? Hardly.
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Originally posted by SquireJack:
Old snark, new year.

Some of the "spamite" and similar stuff used to occasionally make me giggle a bit - but that was about, oh, 5-6 years ago. Time for a new script. It's just not funny anymore, and blaming the world's ills on WVU, Luck, Morgan Town, etc., does nothing to advance Marshall. It just looks pathetic. I'm no WVU fan, but I'm no MU homer either. Guess that comes with a little age and perspective. But geez, guys, can't we give the Ollie bashing a rest? He's not the source of all that ails Marshall. Neither is WVU. They do what they believe is in the best interest of their university, same as MU does.

Spending your time wishing and hoping for WVU's failure does nothing to help Marshall achieve success. If and when it is in their best interest to schedule a football game against Marshall, they will, under terms they think help them. And if the terms don't also benefit Marshall, we won't agree. Until that happens, they won't play -- and in the new landscape (post-CFB Committee scenario), WVU has much less incentive to schedule a home and home series with any G-5 program. Those games hurt a P-5's SOS and their bowl opportunities. (Just ask Baylor.) That's the new reality. They are a P-5; we're not. The rules have changed. They are dealing with that, just as Marshall is. They are fortunate to be better positioned for that "new reality," and they have Oliver Luck (and Dr. Clements, with plenty of help from then-OSU President Gee) to thank for managing to get them a place at the adult table.

I have no idea whether Luck ever passed, or even took, a state Bar exam. I do know he was a two-time Academic All-American and a Rhodes finalist, then managed to graduate from law school at the U of Texas while holding down a job with the Oilers in the NFL. If he can do all that, questioning his intellect and claiming his life has been a "failure" is just plain ridiculous. (I should know - back in '83 I passed Bar exams in 2 different states in the same week. So I know what it entails. It wasn't easy, but the 3-year grind to graduate from a good law school is much tougher than passing the exam afterwards; so if he could accomplish that, he's qualifies as a "lawyer" as far as I'm concerned.). I wish him well at the NCAA.
excellent perspective!

People come and people go, its the institutions that last and evolve, the people only leave a marks, some small, some indelible. Our fans don't enhance Marshall and their cause by constantly engaging in name calling and demonizing. Whether its, Luck, Huggins or Dana Holgerson, these guys are simply doing what they are hired to do and looking out for what they believe is best for their employer and in the case of Luck and Huggins, their Alma Mater. I know all three, was with Huggins at his home right after Thanksgiving, great coach and a good friend! I don't agree with his perspective on MU, but I understand his motivation, its all about what he perceives is best for WVU, just like Danny's perspective is a world through Green glasses, and that is just as it should be.
 
'In the end those actions will leave college football exactly where WVU is now. Ruined, broke, and destroyed."
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IMATravelEER posted on 1/1/2015...


Graduated The Wall in 1977 Left 1980 for Army which I retired 2001
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Great resume and thank you for your service. If you could drop the wvu, probably an outstanding person.
 
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