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Why Ollie's departure to the NCAA will leave a bigger mess than he left WVU

Laugh all you want now wvu...but really, the state of education in general, is beginning to sound ALOT like the Real Estate market crash (I've been saying this for months now).

Schools need to offset the costs of spending for coaches and sports, they increase their tuition annually, with much of the student fees going to the football and athletics departments. Those numbers are skyrocketing.
Include the cost of just GOING to a Big 10 school for example, it's roughly $40,000 a year.

Most degrees aren't going to make back the money spent, so students take out loans...with loads having a high interest rate at like 10% on top of what you owe...it's going to bankrupt many graduates, and several hundred thousand, aren't going to ever pay them off.
Sure, you'll have a billionaire once in a while, but they are few and far between...the job market still isn't as lucrative as it should be, and many expensive professional degrees are losing value because seasoned people in the field, are staying on board longer.
Also, you can't really do much with a history degree from ohio state...maybe write a book, but you're no Stephen King.

This is going to cause schools, who keep charging and spending, to eventually go completely under.

The major reason for the crash? Football.

Football has become such a conglomerate that schools are going to struggle to keep up. I think we're going to see about a dozen or so schools all over America, form their own super conference...probably 16 schools, who can afford to keep themselves afloat financially.

Sad reality is, wvu is NOT going to be part of that...osu, Michigan, Florida, Alabama, etc, they will be however.


I was listening to the post game show on the radio for the wvu bowl game. One of the questions brought up was,
"TCU is just outside of the CFP. How did they get in over us? We joined at the same time...yet they're a marquee team and we're struggling to make a bowl each season."
After my laughter at the reality that would become the answer shortly, one of the radio guys honestly said,
"I was down there with Holgorsen when we played one year. They just built new suites, and renovated the entire stadium. It looked amazing. They then told us that 'We had 5 TCU boosters give $17 million each to fund this project.' Let that sink in for a second...and TCU is in the highest concentration of millionaires in America. We have some great boosters, but nowhere NEAR the level they have in Ft. Worth."
They then went on to talk about, "Well our mentality has always been, 'Do more with less' which we've been able to do."

Funny, that mentality is exactly what is going to keep wvu from expanding at all, if ever, into anything relevant.

The sad reality for you wvu fans, is wvu is living in a dream world of relevancy. Sure, the upset will happen in the Big-12...but we all saw that happen EVERYWHERE ELSE! Even in our conference. Nothing makes wvu "special" because they upset 1 team in the top 10...if so, then Texas A&M fans would be wondering why they're not in the playoff because they upset Auburn. Oh wait, it's because they're living in REALITY and know they're not supposed to go anywhere with their garbage record.

Wvu fans are going to realize eventually, that they fit in the Big 12 as much as 2 left shoes. Seriously.
Once Ollie Luck expands the NCAA horizon to paying players, kiss ANY relevance goodbye.

The worst part of it all, for wvu fans, is they're going to be on the SAME level as Marshall...

I can't wait.
 
Originally posted by Herdstruck:
Laugh all you want now wvu...but really, the state of education in general, is beginning to sound ALOT like the Real Estate market crash (I've been saying this for months now).

Schools need to offset the costs of spending for coaches and sports, they increase their tuition annually, with much of the student fees going to the football and athletics departments. Those numbers are skyrocketing.
Include the cost of just GOING to a Big 10 school for example, it's roughly $40,000 a year.

Most degrees aren't going to make back the money spent, so students take out loans...with loads having a high interest rate at like 10% on top of what you owe...it's going to bankrupt many graduates, and several hundred thousand, aren't going to ever pay them off.
Sure, you'll have a billionaire once in a while, but they are few and far between...the job market still isn't as lucrative as it should be, and many expensive professional degrees are losing value because seasoned people in the field, are staying on board longer.
Also, you can't really do much with a history degree from ohio state...maybe write a book, but you're no Stephen King.

This is going to cause schools, who keep charging and spending, to eventually go completely under.

The major reason for the crash? Football.

Football has become such a conglomerate that schools are going to struggle to keep up. I think we're going to see about a dozen or so schools all over America, form their own super conference...probably 16 schools, who can afford to keep themselves afloat financially.

Sad reality is, wvu is NOT going to be part of that...osu, Michigan, Florida, Alabama, etc, they will be however.


I was listening to the post game show on the radio for the wvu bowl game. One of the questions brought up was,
"TCU is just outside of the CFP. How did they get in over us? We joined at the same time...yet they're a marquee team and we're struggling to make a bowl each season."
After my laughter at the reality that would become the answer shortly, one of the radio guys honestly said,
"I was down there with Holgorsen when we played one year. They just built new suites, and renovated the entire stadium. It looked amazing. They then told us that 'We had 5 TCU boosters give $17 million each to fund this project.' Let that sink in for a second...and TCU is in the highest concentration of millionaires in America. We have some great boosters, but nowhere NEAR the level they have in Ft. Worth."
They then went on to talk about, "Well our mentality has always been, 'Do more with less' which we've been able to do."

Funny, that mentality is exactly what is going to keep wvu from expanding at all, if ever, into anything relevant.

The sad reality for you wvu fans, is wvu is living in a dream world of relevancy. Sure, the upset will happen in the Big-12...but we all saw that happen EVERYWHERE ELSE! Even in our conference. Nothing makes wvu "special" because they upset 1 team in the top 10...if so, then Texas A&M fans would be wondering why they're not in the playoff because they upset Auburn. Oh wait, it's because they're living in REALITY and know they're not supposed to go anywhere with their garbage record.

Wvu fans are going to realize eventually, that they fit in the Big 12 as much as 2 left shoes. Seriously.
Once Ollie Luck expands the NCAA horizon to paying players, kiss ANY relevance goodbye.

The worst part of it all, for wvu fans, is they're going to be on the SAME level as Marshall...

I can't wait.
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Wow. Just wow.
 
obama makes $400,000 a year or so in base salary...and I'd say he's a pretty big failure.
 
Please, tell me what wvu is doing to improve their situation??

(Try not to sound like last year...'We're getting all our players now' or 'We needed some time to adjust' or my favorite, 'The Big 12 isn't ready for us next season because everything is going to click.')
 
Salient points herd struck.

To recap this is where we are:

Kids not playing football graduating with huge debt.

Kids playing football and graduating with NO debt.

Ollie , et.al. Getting ready to tell all of us kids that play football not only need a free degree that saved them over a 100,000.00 to start their lives but we need to pay them. He then begins setting up his cronies at the expense of American college education and the basic college football fan...I.e. me and you.

Cancer. Ollie Luck is a cancer and he will do to the NCAA exactly what he did to WVU. Like a locust, he will land, eat everything in site, then fly away leaving nothing but an empty shell.

Oh one last thing. Dshoe, it wasn't us that started the were the flagship rhetoric. It was Ollie. He alone began the separatist movement to the delight of the eerbilly nation. Worse the eerbilly nation all mimicked his words AND small minded separatist thinking. It HAS and DOES cost a very poor state valuable jobs and opportunities and most importantly revenue that could be used as capital public spending to stimulate growth.

Therefore any inflammatory remarks from this poster and any other Marshall fan and for that matter tax paying West Virginian are justified. Eerbilly nation, if the shoe fits own it!!!!
 
IMAtravelEER as well as several other wvu trolls on this board...as well as 60% of wvu's in-state "fans" have 1 thing in common...

We never graduated or attended wvu.


I predict Ollie is going to try to reform paying players and make the elite schools like Texas and ohio state, move further away from everyone.

It's going to separate the Power 5 conferences as well. Iowa State and Kansas are going to struggle paying players like Texas and osu do...with even lesser results. Teams like ISU, KU, Vandy, Oregon State, most of the ACC, Purdue, Idniana, etc, all the lower-level cellar dwellers are going to really question if they want to be a part of the elite newfound division of college football, or if they want to go down a level where financial commitments aren't as steep.
This includes wvu...who by all realism, isn't going to be able to keep afloat. If their fans can at least admit they don't have the finances of Texas or ohio state or Florida, etc, then the coping abilities will be improved when it all comes down.

Thing is, ollie isn't looking out for wvu's interests, he's concerned about the bigger picture because he's now under pressure from REAL programs to make sure they're on top, this includes stomping on wvu.

Some schools would even risk cutting into their academic budgets to keep up with athletics...something that they'd NEVER actually do, because their faculty would be pissed off beyond belief and I don't think it's even legal. It'd make them re-consider being a major sports powerhouse or an academic institution.

With the amount of money rising for colleges to keep ahead, many will lower themselves down to the level of college sports that we are currently in. It'll still be governed by the NCAA (the new elite division is governed by the AD's of the schools in it) who will treat it like the Wild West..."pay athletes X amount, tops. Whatever. We don't care."
Revenue won't be as lucrative because the teams still in it, aren't as marketable.

The elite division will soon come under heavy fire from everywhere...they'll eventually be sued by the IRS for tax evasion because they'll lose their Tax Exempt state since their only motivation was "more autonomy" and by "more autonomy" they really meant, "we're so greedy Bernie Madoff is even amazed" and they'd have a very hard time defending their stance of "educating young minds" since their entire motivation to begin with, was about money and sports.
Their own faculty will also be critical of their motivations, because the social element will shift towards "it's all about sports at _______ college/university" which is a tag the educators aren't going to want.
They'll force the issue with school presidents which will, in turn, make them step down on their commitment to athletics and more stability in education.

This is going to happen to many schools, the motivation being, a farcical belief of "we can keep up with anyone."

The link is to Mark Cuban's comments about how schools are going the way of the Real Estate market crash...something I've spoken about before.
He doesn't mention WHAT is going to cause this to happen, or already is...(hint: it has to do with sports) because sports are creating rising costs of tuition alone, with guaranteed student loans, and well...the rest is history.

RIP wvu's wishes to be a big time program



Mark Cuban's take on education
 
I used to only worry about the Mountaineer message board but now I vist the Marshall board just as much because you guys spend as much time talking about WVU as WVU fans do.

I guess if you mean by the mess of

Getting us in a P5 conference/ which you are not
Getting WVU 30 million annually from revenue/ which you don't
Getting a brand new baseball stadium built in Morgantown for WVU baseball/ which you don't have
Building BOTH football and basketball programs that can compete at the highest level/ which you don't have

and so on and so on...

That's a mess I don't care to tidy up
 
Wrong. You must not troll titm if you think MU fans talk about your uspam as much as your hilljack brethren talk about MU. hilljacks were totally obsessed with MU football because they had no hope for their own except a couple of moral victories which were losses. Thanks for dropping by. We have no use for, nor care about your opinion.
 
Oliver Luck's Legacy:

Began his WVU career under coach Frank Cignetti.
Frank Cignetti fired.

Played four seasons of Mountaineer Football.
Eers had a losing record in those four years.

Quarterbacked the West Virginia Mountaineers.
Threw more interceptions than touchdowns.

Drafted by the Houston Oilers.
Houston Oilers never recovered and no longer exist.

Quarterbacked in the Astrodome.
Astrodome never recovered and is now a vacant tombstone.

Ran for Congress in West Virginia's Second District.
Soundly defeated in spite of ethics violations that involved the Mountaineer Athletics Club and Second District seat was eliminated following redistricting.

General Manager of Frankfurt Galaxy.
Frankfurt Galaxy never recovered and no longer exist.

General Manager of Rhein Fire.
Rhein Fire never recovered and no longer exists.

President of World League of American Football/NFL Europe.
League never recovered and no longer exists.

CEO of Houston Sports Authority managing operation of Enron Field.
Enron no longer exists and Houston Sports Authority paid the defunct company $2 million to regain naming rights.

President of Houston Dynamo, a Major League Soccer team.
Luck changed the name of the team from the Houston 1836, named after Texas Independence, to the Houston Dynamo, named after the Soviet KGB.

Member of Board of Governors of West Virginia University.
Loved the school so much he sent his children to Stanford.

Athletic Director at West Virginia University, a Big East member school.
Big East never recovered and no longer exists.

Athletic Director at West Virginia University.
Football team placed on two years probation. NCAA penalized WVU's "failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance."

Fired Bill Stewart.
Bill Stewart dead.

Hired Dana Holgorsen.
Holgorsen is an embarrassing drunk who lost more this season than Stewart ever did.

Began beer sales at football games.
Drunken Mountaineer fans assaulted an expecting mother.

Joined Big 12.
Losing seasons in football and basketball. Owes Big East millions.

Cancelled football series with Marshall.
In the first season after the Coal Bowl ended, the Mountaineers didn't sell out a single football game.

Third-tier media rights.
"Blatant and unlawful actions" transformed the "process into a sham." Subjected West Virginia University to a multi-million dollar lawsuit and cost the school millions when the rights had to be re-bid.

Interviewed for A.D. job at Texas. Luck used road trip at TCU to interview with the Longhorns the week before the Mountaineers played Texas. After using him as a distraction, Texas dumped him and hired the guy they really wanted. West Virginia didn't win another game that season.

College Football Playoff Selection Committee.
Represented the Big 12 on the Committee. The Big 12 was the only P5 conference not to have a team selected to the playoff.

Everything Oliver Luck touches turns to shit.

This post was edited on 1/2 10:12 PM by Jule Huffman is my real father
 
I hate it when people use pure cold hard facts to prove their point when I worked so hard at proving mine without any!

Delete this post! LOL!

Like I said, hes a locust. He lands, eats everything in site to improve his position and then flys away leaving a rotting empty shell.

College Football is about to go in the dumpster.

One of the funniest things I like to think about is, what if Luck had done the simple right hire for WVU and hired Doc? Where would we be now and where would WVU be?

They pay a guy 11 million to hold himself on the sidelines and act like he's a genius. We pay a guy to rebuild a shambled program and in his last half of his tenure win 19 of his last 20 and act like a football coach that knows what a great football coach sweatshirt looks like! Not an LA Raiders wanna be.

In 5 years the P5 will have an attorney representing each high school player that has a shot at playing in the P5. Lucks going to ruin college football just like he did every other endeavor JF just mentioned. SLIME.
 
So what you are saying is if I did not attend WVU means I have no right to be a fan and state my point of view? Really? I attended the school of protecting FREEDOM OF SPEECH called the U.S. Army. Also, My being raised in West Virginia allows me to comment on the State Universities. So, Call me what you wish but I will "cruise" the message boards of my choice and if doing so causes you to pop a vein, Then I suggest you have your Local "Doctor's Care" number saved on your cell phone's speed dial. Peace Out!
 
I would have loved to have Oliver Luck as an AD. Sorry, but when stuff like this is said, it shows insecurity and lack of growing up.

We need should want to get bigger and grow, otherwise we get left with the trash. He did good for WVU at a pivotal time when he was needed.

I am not bashing Hamrick, I think he has done good as well, but we are foolish if you do not think a lot of good can come with a named person who has contacts with all the right people.

Failure is a subjective word, and if what he brought to WVU is failure, then I want some. West Virginians struggle with change. We do not like it. However, the college football and all sports landscape is changing yearly, and we better adapt or get shoveled under some dirt. He did good for them.

In my opinion, just talking about him shows them that he was good for them. Why even mention him unless there is jealousy and/or insecurities of our own?
 
You have a right to be a fan of anyone you wish.. just makes sense that since you never went there, that you have a slightly misguided, illogical view of what you are really speaking to, and in all likelihood are very ignorant to what WPU means to the residents of West Virginia and who actually attends and benefits most from the State University... hint... it isn't the majority of West Virginians who pay the taxes to keep the state running... just ask the over 50% of West Virginians that depend on a government check monthly to live!! The state government is inept/corrupt and WPU is run by those same inept/corrupt politicians... most likely educated at WPU... I think maybe the US should go down to 49 states and have pieces of WV absorbed into viable states that could take on the excess waste of land and people that reside in the hills... maybe then things would change for the better as politicians with a clue could get the most out of the slice they inherit...
 
"Your right to speak freely does not imply upon others a duty to take what you have to say seriously" - Hubert Humphrey (US Senator, 1948-1964, 1970-1978; Vice-President 1964-1968)

You sir have every right to spew your uninformed, ignorant, and, fundamentally stupid opinions. Just as others, have every right to point out, first, that your opinions are uninformed, ignorant, and, fundamentally stupid. And also to point out that your actual relationship with WVU is exactly the same as it is with WV State, WV Tech, the WV State Prison, the WV State Police Academy, the WV Coronor's offiec, the WV Department of Highways, or any thing else that has the same words as on your driver's license. Which is to say, none, really.
 
Alrighty then, I see you went and took the time to look up Hubert Humphrey quotes on me
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Herd Nation, Be well
 
I think he sacrificed wvu's ability to compete, just to stay relevant in an already unstable conference.

The more pure element of all WVIans who seem to associate themselves with wvu, is one thing...WINNING.

It's not money. Wvu is all about money, which any school should be. But the common fan only cares if they win, because it's about the only thing they can emotionally relate to.
Nobody in the state is ever going to see the $30 million wvu gets in annual revenue handed to them by the Big-12.

Problem is...

Wvu doesn't have the ability to generate enough revenue for that $30 million to really have any effect on themselves in a positive manner.

Wvu is a janitor and the Big 12 is a Ferrari. The janitor just won a Ferrari in a contest.
Problem is, the insurance on said Ferrari is too high and the price of premium gas with low MPG, make that car, unaffordable for janitor to own.

So the lovely car just sits in the front yard, eventually going to rust and turn to crap. The janitor merely keeps it out there to show off to his peers about "how much better he is" but is unable to tell anyone what it's like to drive said car because he's too broke to do it.

Wvu is doing the same thing...they are essentially unable to enjoy their time in the Big 12 because of all the financial commitments the conference brings (paying a coach a competitive salary, facilities, travel, paying your players under the table, etc) and just brag about the "looks" of themselves with a Big-12 logo without actually knowing what positive experiences in said conference are like. Sort of like leaving your Ferrari in the front yard.

I can see why luck put wvu in the big 12 but he should've been honest. It was about the money and not about wanting to actually win anything. Wvu is about 100 years behind the Big-12 as it is. They will never win enough to be anything in that conference. The conference has been in a down year for a while, and STILL, wvu couldn't capitalize on it, even with the best team they've had in ages, couldn't do anything.
Now they're stuck with it and are just too stubborn to admit "this conference is no fun!"

Now they can only sit there and associate themselves through the success of everyone else in the Big 12; Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, etc.,like the janitor going to a Ferrari club, listening to everyone else's awesome stories, taking them back to their little world, and spreading them around like it was reality happening to him.

I love hearing wvu fans talk about themselves...because it used to be,
"We dominated everyone we played...Rutgers, Pitt, UConn, Cincy, etc"

To this...

"We play Texas, Oklahoma, Baylor...we're not afraid to play these guys and we play them tough, every year!"

Not one peep about winning, which is all any wvu fan really wants but cant/will never have.
 
Now let's really make the eerbilly nation wince and throw in some what IFs and Ollie, oh the great and powerful Ollie, made moves FOR WVU that AREN'T self serving. Rather theyre public serving, fan serving, state serving, and player serving and lets run the numbers shall we?

First off rather than go begging to the SEC the ACC and the Bi 12 what would have happenied if Ollie said, appears the Big East is dead. However we don't want to pay exit fees, we don't want to live on a plane, we don't want to have student athletes on the road. We are going to go with the AAC and join UCF ECU Cinnci Navy etc and form a conference worthy of P5 inclusion. Think about it, with WVU in the mix, and a lot of lobbying that might have happened. Logistically it's much better and finally competition wise it's who they've been playing all along. They stay a 10-2 team under the drunk and likewise keep a fan base selling the stadium out. Moreover your student athletes get a chance to study rather than live on a plane or a bus.

2ndly, what if rather than acting like a complete horses ass he doesn't go with negative marshall rhetoric. Instead he goes statewide and says, we've ran the numbers for the STATE of WV , and it's crazy fiscally, logistically and competition wise NOT to play Marshall. Here's our offer, home and home every other year, with all monies staying in state. We understand the risk of playing Marshall every year as indeed we will sometimes lose to them, but it's good for the state of WV and that's what WVU stands for. (wow what a great PR sale, instead of 2 drunks and one horses ass you all look like benevolent geniuses, your fan base even grows more, rather than people like the most even hardcore like my uncle saying I really hate Holgerson)

3rdly, consider now if Luck goes to the NCAA and says this P5 thing on paying players is unsustainable for many schools and really a free college degree should be enough don't you think? Instead we ask the NCAA to stay the course, NOT adopt player payments and likewise reduce the amount of travel and overnights players have thus increasing the likelihood that they will GRADUTE with a degree they can use lifelong, not get some 2,000.00 check that won't last them a month and at the same time reduce the chance of them graduating due to too many other distractions. He then dovetails THAT statement with , it's why we're going AAC its better for our student athletes.


NO NO NO, he didn't do any of those visionary things did he....why becuase he served HIMSELF at the expense of the state of WV the expense of college players and the expense of ruining college football for good.

He is a self serving cancer. He used the eerbilly nation and they bought his wizard of Ollie rhetoric hook line and sinker! Here's the problem, they're much worse off becuase of him and it's only going to get worse.
 
Here are the numbers from last year. We made over 4 million. We only got a 75% share of the conference revenue. Once we receive a full share we will be in the top 30 schools in the country in terms of budget. We are 4th in our conference. The top 2 FB teams have smaller budgets than us. We are in great shape financially. It will only get better. Dropping an extra 1 to 2 million on the athletes won't make a bit of difference to us.

This post was edited on 1/6 9:11 PM by mjs4wvu

USA today
 
Dear Eerbilly, can you read?

Payment escalation won't stop, the process of paying players will go exactly the way pro did. Up and up and up.

Which is exactly what Ollie wants. A pro college league he can manage and bankrupt whilst he and his cronies make millions off the players contracts.

Who gets to foot that bill? ESPN ? No.

You an me, the college football fan.

It won't stop at a million per institution.
 
I wish you guys could step back and see just how stupid you look with all your "Ollie Luck is the devil" rhetoric. Please don't stop however, it is the source of endless entertainment. I'm sure that his goal on life is to manage and bankrupt a college league so he and his cronies can make millions off players contracts. What the hell does that even mean? Also, 4 out of 10 is not near the bottom.
 
mjs... you need to look in the mirror and see how blind, naive and ignorant you are to the landscape of college football... it should be an NFL developmental league and stop the charade of "student-athlete" because we all know that 90% of them are not full fledged students!
 
mjs thinks 6th of ten isn't mid to bottom, dream on. Those two teams you tied for fourth beat you, that is why you are listed sixth. You poor ignorant hilljacks came in with TX and OK going thru a down time and you are blind enough to believe that is the norm and puff your chests out.
 
I'm very aware of the landscape of college athletics. They actually are not students at all and therefore shouldn't be treated as such. It's ridiculous to force kids to go to college for 3 years in order to play a violent contact sport. Nobody else on the planet links sports and college the way we do. Why shouldn't we pay for the full cost of attendance when we pay coaches 5 million a year? When I said we were 4th I was referring to the athletic budget that I LINKED below my first post.
 
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