Yeah Socialism
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This is a really interesting article on what socialism is versus people's overbroad personal definitions of it:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors...ering-from-socialism-but-from-anti-marketism/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors...ering-from-socialism-but-from-anti-marketism/
So you are a socialist?
Sure, you would gladly keep working for the good of civilization. Many others would as well. Now. But would they jump through all these hoops and hurdles to get where we are now without any motivation? No way, no how.
The result? Lower quality everything. People would act like our jobs are hot potatoes. "I don't want that." Under socialism, there's no way I become what I am today. Would have never had the ambition for it.
Sure, you would gladly keep working for the good of civilization. Many others would as well. Now. But would they jump through all these hoops and hurdles to get where we are now without any motivation? No way, no how.
The result? Lower quality everything. People would act like our jobs are hot potatoes. "I don't want that." Under socialism, there's no way I become what I am today. Would have never had the ambition for it.
He killed the Reds because they were Communists (and Jews), not because they were socialists.
Rohm and the SA were Red Jews? A bunch of socialists and homosexuals, sure. And yes, I am glossing over the threat Rohm was to Hitler, but I was under the impression business leaders were none to keen to the SA kicking ass to support striking workers.
And they are socialists, and they're also other things that are causing this particular problem.
The Nordic countries have a definite socialist influence in their governments and seem to be doing alright. Full blown socialism no, and it would never work. Price controls, which are a separate thing, are worse though, in every instance I've ever seen them used. You have to go back to Diocletian to find a time it sort of didn't blow up horribly and that was mainly because everyone ignored them.
We already have that as well. Motivation to achieve is already compromised.
Bernie Sanders wants $15 an hour minimum wage. If that happens, then I have to seriously consider pursuing a job at Wal Mart or a grocery store in the hills somewhere.
There's a fine line between being proud to do more meaningful work and feeling stupid for sacrificing the way of life I really wanted pre-malaise.
Sweden is actually beginning to move away from its welfare state, partly to keep the immigrants from taking all their money, and also because they noticed the long term effects it has on production.
Here is an older video marking out the real situation in Sweden.
Here is an older video marking out the real situation in Sweden.
As has already been shown, when the govt sets artificial floors/ceilings for "min" wages the number of impoverished INCREASES over time. Those at the minimum level, (over time) get priced out of the initial perceived benefit of a higher minimum wage. In other words......they usually still end up on welfare because a "minimum" wage increase does not happen in a vacuum within the economy.
Are you not usually on here talking about how America sucks?? You were on here just 2 weeks ago talking about the fallacy of "our Freedom". You were insinuating that we really are not really "free". Now you claim we are a "success" because of socialist policy?????
Its interesting that you mention this. "Minimum Wage" would fall into a govt "price control" situation. The disruption within how goods and services are priced is a direction result of this artificial govt mandated "price" too.
While it does meet the strict definition of a price control, people don't generally treat the labor market like a free market. But if you want to count it then I guess all price controls don't fail.
Success on the government level sure. We still are the strongest in the world.
But you comparing my feelings on how America treats its citizens as sheep and Americas ability to keep its lights on and still being a presence in the world. Domestically this country has a shit ton of issues at all levels
You are right in one aspect of your comment. The hourly labor market isn't a free market. It hasn't been for decades because the govt tells employers what they have to minimally pay.
Suggesting minimum wage is a success is laughable. Are we not being told now that "minimum wage isn't enough"?? That, "workers making minimum wage cant survive." That the minimum wage needs to be higher because the current level "fails"??? I consider this a definite "fail". But that isn't a surprise to me. Govt mandated prices, no matter where the "price" is mandated, ultimately "fails" because it sets out to limit the market component of that good or service.
The refusal to address the motivation issue tells me all I need to know about how much these utopians really thought this through.
They just wish everybody was the same and we all lived on a golden cloud of happiness. Not reality. I'm just surprised an electrical engineer bought into it, but I guess that's what California dreamin' is all about.
They just wish everybody was the same and we all lived on a golden cloud of happiness. Not reality. I'm just surprised an electrical engineer bought into it, but I guess that's what California dreamin' is all about.
How am I contradicting myself?? Please explain yourself, this country has domestic issues that no other Major civilized country deals with
I'm surprised people are still wasting their time on well, you know. Ever since those pictures were on here, I just...
The horse is dead and buried.
The horse is dead and buried.
And what lead to Ferguson again?? Clearly your missing the issue. When 115 countries condemn how our police force work, the problem is bigger then Ferguson
A piece of crap thug the robbed a convenience store and tried to beat up a cop. And the media that ran with a FALSE narrative to push an agenda that they thought was legitimate
Funny thing is the shop owner has continuously stated that Michael Brown wasn't the guy who robbed him. And even after he had his hands up, the cop walked over and executed him.
But keep watching Fox News
But keep watching Fox News
I asked you to clarify yourself. Not start going off in "misdirectionville" with more asinine broad brush statements that can be refuted in 30 seconds..... (nevertheless I cant resist pointing out your errors)
Name the issues that no other "civilized" country deals with? Do you actually believe "race" isn't an issue across Europe? LMAO. They created racism and slavery and still remain some of the most racist, clannish mindsets I've ever encountered. You think Germany doesn't have "poor" people? You think England isn't full of citizen sheep walking around (they spend more time wondering what time the queen takes a shit than they do on how to become a productive society) waiting on their next govt benefit? Do we even need to talk about Japan,Spain, Italy, Greece, and most recently China's (human rights &) economic woes??? Damn, put down the weed, come out of your (mom's) basement and look around the world. (now back to the original discussion)
Claiming overall American Govt success while at the same time pointing to the failures to it's citizens needs greater clarification on your part. IMO the points you are making in justifying your opinion are contradictory. For instance, how can you denounce "socialist" domestic type policy, but then claim international policy success, while you also (usually) bitch and moan about the US on an international basis? If what I just explained and asked in this paragraph doesn't make sense...congratulations. Nothing coming from you usually does. That's why here is a great opportunity to clarify wtf you are talking about.
That's what all the witnesses say. But you know they took evidence from a white women who wasn't even there and was proven afterwards she wasn't there
The fact that the US has 5% of the worlds population and 25% of the worlds prison population is one
The fact our government thinks people can survive and raise a family on a $20K salary
The fact like we are one of it not the most violent country in the world that isn't at war
Drug abuse in this country is at an all-time high destroying the medical system and flooding hospitals with addicts.
Our educational system and this common core bullshit is destroying education within the youth.
Police Brutality is getting out of control.
Mental Health services is severely underfunded and it leaves the correctional system filled with people who have mental health issues and shouldn't be locked up with real criminals.
The fact that fast food companies like McDonalds are allowed to sell fake food.
The fact that the pharm companies have pretty much made this entire country addicted to drugs.
Do I need to continue with the DOMESTIC ISSUES IN THIS COUNTRY. I could care less what is going on in other countries. I don't live there
People are fighting for a minimum wage of $15/hr which equals to and without overtime a little under a 30K a year salary.
Actually ALL the witnesses didnt say that. Crawl out from your moms basement and educate yourself on what actually happened.
Flipping burgers and asking if you would like fries with that is not and should not be a career goal.
That I agree with but CEOs shouldn't be billionaires while the people that is really putting in the work only make peanuts
Maybe you should, because you might realize how stupid your long list of complaints is as it relates to how the world really is. Considering McDonalds a "domestic issue" is beyond unbelievable. You looking to blame someone else about education being destroyed and "dependency" in any form is hypocritical after hearing about your own personal life choices. The "most violent country in the world" may be the dumbest assumption I read in that list. Literally...the dumbest.
