herdftblfan said:

Eight years worth came from the stock market collapse?

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Yes. It took over 10 years for the market itself to recapture loses.

When Obama took office in Jan 2009 there were 12.561 jobs. In January 2013 when he started his second term there were 11.984. So Obama saw a decrease of almost 600,000 manufacturing jobs in his first term. When he left office in January 2017 there were 12.366. That means that over 8 years Obama lost almost 200,000 manufacturing jobs.

In what universe is that good? During the collapse in 2008 manufacturing jobs had already declined 1.2 million. In eight years Obama managed to leave us with 1.4 million fewer manufacturing jobs then we had in January 2008. No recovery in 8 years.

Before COVID Trump had added 600,000 manufacturing jobs in 3 years.

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herdftblfan said:

In fact, Obama clearly made historic and much more impressive gains than either of the other two.

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Using the chart provided, how do you define “gains?” Looks to me like they tanked and never even came close to recovering to pre-Obama levels.

Raoul Duke MU said:

He didn't SHOOT a reporter. Although if he had, the video would have been amazing.

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Semantics meant to protect democrats from consequences.

herdfan429 said:

Trump is facist nazi woman killer

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It really showed in his first term, right?

Only Trump can dismantle a government that has worked for nearly 250 years.

😂

herdftblfan said:

The numbers I provided are the numbers you provided.

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Good. My opinion holds true. I couldn't care less about 2020. It wasn't a point I was making. My point was manufacturing jobs thru june2022 were snap back jobs from pandemic and has largely been flat since that time. Especially when considering a sector of the economy with 12 million employees.

That changes EVERYTHING!

-CarlHungus- said:

Dumb question here - but I presume your starting point is not actually in Morgantown...because surely you can find craft beer in Morgantown?

I haven't lived in WV for nearly two decades, but in Kanawha City at the Kanawha City Piggly Wiggly they always had a really good craft beer section (by WV standards). ...not really on your way though...

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Heading on 68 west, but looking to stock up on beers to bring home. Figured someplace between Morgantown and 'nam would have a bunch at some sort of party store. I already knew Preston County doesn't carry anything but Natti light.

All of which shows that Trump’s China tariffs, which Biden was thankfully smart enough to keep, continue to have the desired effect on manufacturing jobs. Imagine where we would have been without the China virus or where we will be once we get the “Made in America” tax incentives in place after Trump wins in less than 2 weeks and gets back in office.

raleighherdfan said:

Just offering some context to your claim and demonstrating that the govt wasn't even recognizing the end of the pandemic until '23. My articles were countering your claim below.

The 2 articles outline the economy was still opening from '21-'22 and the govt not officially marking the end of pandemic until '23. No where did I suggest "jobs didn't return until '23". You made that up.

Anyone being objective and looking beyond the "numbers" you provided could honestly suggest manufacturing was "in full swing" in '21. It's an absurd, dishonest suggestion.

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The numbers I provided are the numbers you provided. I used the table that was used to generate the graph that you presented to claim that manufacturing jobs hadn't returned.

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES3000000001

Covid shutdowns began in March of 2020. Let's compare gains and losses versus March 2020.

• 2020 - 12,721 (numbers are in 000's)
• 2021 - 12,272 (449K jobs lost)
• 2022 - 12,717 (4K jobs lost vs. 2020, 445K YoY gain, virtually flat to pre-pandemic levels)
• 2023 - 12,932 (211K gained vs. 2020, 215K YoY gain)
• 2024 - 12,951 (230K gained vs. 2020, 19K YoY gain)
• If you want to go to the last full month of data which is July of 2024 you will see it is identical to March of 2024.

I fully admit two things:

1. Trump had some nice gains pre-pandemic.
2. YoY gains have flattened in 2024.

But I can also see that worst case scenario, using your data and your link, Biden has added 230K manufacturing jobs vs. Trump pre-pandemic numbers. I can also see that Trump was already losing YoY growth by Dec. of 2019 and had actually lost jobs YoY the first quarter of 2020, before Covid hit.

I would also note that until 2019 under Trump we had shown YoY growth every year since 2010. We have also never returned to 2008 levels when the housing market crashed.

And if you don't love March of 2020 as a comparison, look at February. Still the same pattern.

Really? I was going to vote for him, but not now.

raleighherdfan said:

Predicting the Herd will get blown out every single week???

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Reverse psychology

herdftblfan said:

If you weren't implying that the pandemic didn't end until 2023, what was the intent of this post?

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Just offering some context to your claim and demonstrating that the govt wasn't even recognizing the end of the pandemic until '23. My articles were countering your claim below.

herdftblfan said:

If you are claiming that in December of 2021 manufacturing wasn’t for the most part back in full swing, you are being willfully ignorant

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The 2 articles outline the economy was still opening from '21-'22 and the govt not officially marking the end of pandemic until '23. No where did I suggest "jobs didn't return until '23". You made that up.

Anyone being objective and looking beyond the "numbers" you provided couldn't honestly suggest manufacturing was "in full swing" in '21. It's an absurd, dishonest suggestion.

None of these dipsh!ts have any idea what fascism is.

i am herdman said:

If Trump wins this thing it will be the biggest comeback in history. His political enemies have thrown everything at him including the kitchen sink. Gone after him legally. Gone after his family. Non stop for years. Shot at him. You name it. They have done it.

He is about to pull this damn thing off. He is close.

What an incredible story of resiliency. What an American.

I am proud to have casted my vote for the man of the people. I hope he becomes my son's commander in chief again. He is a great American.

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Speaking of shot at him. Why do you suppose the DOJ put a stop to the investigation into the 2nd attempt to kill Trump? Florida is currently suing the DOJ over it.

Rock98Dog said:

Obama’s gains came from the rebound after the 2008 market collapse. Biden’s gains simply came from allowing people to return to jobs they already had but weren’t allowed to go do.

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Eight years worth came from the stock market collapse?

herdftblfan said:

"Under George W. Bush, there were about 4.5 million manufacturing jobs lost. Under Trump, it was about 178,000."

Now granted, he was up 400K before COVID but I'm not sure that's a bragging point when you compare it to the gains under both Obama and Biden.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/664993/private-sector-manufacturing-employment-in-the-us/

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Obama’s gains came from the rebound after the 2008 market collapse. Biden’s gains simply came from allowing people to return to jobs they already had but weren’t allowed to go do.

So she talks about raising children and making mistakes? She has never given birth, took over a couple teenagers part time, both are wierd as F, so she plays the parent card?

Also, she’s cool that her husband slaps bitches and screws the nanny. What a family woman.

raleighherdfan said:

The pandemic public health emergency wasn't ended until May 11, 2023.
https://archive.cdc.gov/www_cdc_gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/end-of-phe.html

From the center of budget policy and priorities:
From a jobs and growth standpoint, the economy was essentially healed by the end of 2023, and the groups that had experienced the largest losses in the recession had recouped a substantial share of their losses or erased them entirely.

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If you weren't implying that the pandemic didn't end until 2023, what was the intent of this post?