2010 team with this years schedule

[ohio herd]

Was watching replay of the wvu game today. It dawned on me how much talent was on that team left by Mark Snyder. Vinny Curry, Lee Smith, Aaron Dobson, Omar Brown, Darryl Robertsand Mario Harvey all 6 future NFL players.. We played 2 ranked teams in Ohio State and WVU. The C-USA line up was solid. We played ECU and UCF.I really think that team would have rolled through this years schedule with ease, It looks like after 8 years we are not moving forward.Say what you will but We don't have any better talent on this team than we did then.

 

[Marine03]

Was watching replay of the wvu game today. It dawned on me how much talent was on that team left by Mark Snyder. Vinny Curry, Lee Smith, Aaron Dobson, Omar Brown, Darryl Robertsand Mario Harvey all 6 future NFL players.. We played 2 ranked teams in Ohio State and WVU. The C-USA line up was solid. We played ECU and UCF.I really think that team would have rolled through this years schedule with ease, It looks like after 8 years we are not moving forward.Say what you will but We don't have any better talent on this team than we did then.

Been sayin it for awhile now. It’s hard to convince some on this site (@Josh Stowers) of this. Doc inherited a wealth of talent, and a bowl team

 

[joeyb184]

What is crazier is those guys were here under Snyder. Doc is a recruiting guru supposedly and we have only had 3 guys go pro under him in Darryl Roberts, Gator Hoskins, and Neville Hewitt. I know others (tindal, cato, johnson, etc.) also got on a team for tryouts/preseason but aren't listed as marshall players that played in the NFL. That 2010 team also had Omar Brown, Gator Hoskins, Antavious Wilson, Rashad Jackson, Alex Bazzie. They were not all superstars but they were good players that still conteibuted regularly on a stacked team with 6 (hoskins, brown, harvey, curry, smith, dobson) NFL players.

 

[goherdorgohome2]

I think Snyder was left a big plate of crap from Pruett and it just took awhile to find the groove...we switched conferences plus Pruett just flat out stopped recruiting his last couple years... I always thought we were just a QB away from a great team when Snyder was here..... doc had a much better start and thank goodness he found Cato or we still wouldn’t have a conference championship, but it’s been down hill with a super watered down schedule........

PS. Bill Legg sucks......

 

[Rock98Dog]

Roberts and Hoskins were Doc players, but you guys are leaving out Rouse and Janac that Doc inherited.

 

[joeyb184]

Roberts and Hoskins were Doc players, but you guys are leaving out Rouse and Janac that Doc inherited.

Yea they were but I had already pointed out his guys that went pro earlier in the post. I was just listing some of the talent on an already loaded team that hadn't been mentioned in the original post. We had a ton on that team.

 

[extragreen]

I think Snyder was left a big plate of crap from Pruett and it just took awhile to find the groove

Then why did Pruetts recruits provide snyder with his best win/loss record and best conference record of his first 4 years in 2006?

 

[All4TheHerd]

What is crazier is those guys were here under Snyder. Doc is a recruiting guru supposedly and we have only had 3 guys go pro under him in Darryl Roberts, Gator Hoskins, and Neville Hewitt. I know others (tindal, cato, johnson, etc.) also got on a team for tryouts/preseason but aren't listed as marshall players that played in the NFL. That 2010 team also had Omar Brown, Gator Hoskins, Antavious Wilson, Rashad Jackson, Alex Bazzie. They were not all superstars but they were good players that still conteibuted regularly on a stacked team with 6 (hoskins, brown, harvey, curry, smith, dobson) NFL players.

I would have to say you don't need NFL players to be a good college team. Does it help? Certainly for sure. Doc recruits college players and usually finds good ones. Cato's size basically kept him from the NFL but it was enough for him to do very well at Marshall and in college. Several coaches can find ways to win without having NFL players. Peterson at Boise State was able to find the perfect player for his system, and they didn't have to be an NFL guy.

Also, QB was crucial for that team in 2010, and BA (I think that was the starter back then?) wasn't the kind of QB that fit Doc's system. He actually had to go through AJ Graham too, in order to figure out that Cato was the ideal QB.

 

[joeyb184]

I would have to say you don't need NFL players to be a good college team. Does it help? Certainly for sure. Doc recruits college players and usually finds good ones. Cato's size basically kept him from the NFL but it was enough for him to do very well at Marshall and in college. Several coaches can find ways to win without having NFL players. Peterson at Boise State was able to find the perfect player for his system, and they didn't have to be an NFL guy.

Also, QB was crucial for that team in 2010, and BA (I think that was the starter back then?) wasn't the kind of QB that fit Doc's system. He actually had to go through AJ Graham too, in order to figure out that Cato was the ideal QB.

I agree 100% you do not need nfl talent to win in college. You just need coachable players that fit your system and coaches to coach them. Having nfl talent never hurts though. Aj wasnt terrible and could have ran the read option well imo but once he hurt his ankle we stuck with anderson and don't forget the eddie sullivan experiment. Cato took over in 2011 and in hindsight it is a good thing aj didnt get more time in 2010 bc they may have gave him the nod over cato.

 

[goherdorgohome2]

Then why did Pruetts recruits provide snyder with his best win/loss record and best conference record of his first 4 years in 2006?

Don’t think that was just Pruett recruits that season....

 

[extragreen]

Don’t think that was just Pruett recruits that season....

2006 was snyders first recruiting class. How many of his freshman contributed meaningfully in their first year?

 

[ohio herd]

2006 was snyders first recruiting class. How many of his freshman contributed meaningfully in their first year?

MS best year was 2009, his last year we finished 7-6. His 2005 team went 4-7.I can't recall any of his first year guys helping out much

 

[extragreen]

MS best year was 2009, his last year we finished 7-6. His 2005 team went 4-7.I can't recall any of his first year guys helping out much

The 2005 team had zero snyder recruits.

 

[CarolinaHerdzilla]

MS best year was 2009, his last year we finished 7-6. His 2005 team went 4-7.I can't recall any of his first year guys helping out much

I was never a big supporter of Mark Snyder...but he did bring some very good football players to Marshall during The Herds transition from The MAC to CUSA, 2005-2009 (a much stronger CUSA than today). Albert McClellan, Cody Slate & Ahmad Bradshaw come to mind. In his 4 years at the helm..Marshall's program produced 40 all-conference selections, plus a lot of his guys made it to the NFL...something that is rare for the past 8 years.

I support Mark was a Son of Marshall...and he knows football. His personality [solely my opinion] proved to be his downfall. I know it's not a probability...but I would like to see Mark return to The Herd's staff.....if he were willing to take a pay cut from Michigan State. He is known for his defensive ability...but perhaps he could provide some spark as OC...since he has served on some explosive teams when it comes to scoring points.

Just wondering in Charlotte...


Zilla22

 

[caliherd]

Mark didn’t bring Ahmad to Marshall that was Pruett. But you are correct on Albert and Cody.

 

[ohio herd]

Mark didn’t bring Ahmad to Marshall that was Pruett. But you are correct on Albert and Cody.

Actually Albert was signed with BP. I think he redshirted in 2005 but part of the 2004 class I am almost positive.

 

[caliherd]

He redshirted in 2007 when he got hurt. He signed in January of 05 so you may be right.

 

[ohio herd]

He redshirted in 2007 when he got hurt. He signed in January of 05 so you may be right.

You know I looked it up and he was in the 2005 class Cali. That was on BP since he quit before spring ball. MS started coaching in 2005 but did not recruit any of the incoming freshman

 

[ohio herd]

The 2005 team had zero snyder recruits.

my bad I misunderstood what you were saying. True Mark did not have any of his own until the 2006 class. But the 2009 was still his best record and that was with his players not Bobbys.

 

[pdbailey]

Was watching replay of the wvu game today. It dawned on me how much talent was on that team left by Mark Snyder. Vinny Curry, Lee Smith, Aaron Dobson, Omar Brown, Darryl Robertsand Mario Harvey all 6 future NFL players.. We played 2 ranked teams in Ohio State and WVU. The C-USA line up was solid. We played ECU and UCF.I really think that team would have rolled through this years schedule with ease, It looks like after 8 years we are not moving forward.Say what you will but We don't have any better talent on this team than we did then.

The 2010 team is rated about 5 PPG worse than the 2017 team. The 2010 team would have been a 6-6 or 5-7 team with this year's schedule. There were some talented players on the team but the depth wasn't there and they weren't a good team.

 

[pdbailey]

I was never a big supporter of Mark Snyder...but he did bring some very good football players to Marshall during The Herds transition from The MAC to CUSA, 2005-2009 (a much stronger CUSA than today). Albert McClellan, Cody Slate & Ahmad Bradshaw come to mind. In his 4 years at the helm..Marshall's program produced 40 all-conference selections, plus a lot of his guys made it to the NFL...something that is rare for the past 8 years.

I support Mark was a Son of Marshall...and he knows football. His personality [solely my opinion] proved to be his downfall. I know it's not a probability...but I would like to see Mark return to The Herd's staff.....if he were willing to take a pay cut from Michigan State. He is known for his defensive ability...but perhaps he could provide some spark as OC...since he has served on some explosive teams when it comes to scoring points.

Just wondering in Charlotte...


Zilla22

Bradshaw was a Pruett recruit.

 

[pdbailey]

He redshirted in 2007 when he got hurt. He signed in January of 05 so you may be right.

McClellan was a Pruett recruit as well.

 

[extragreen]

my bad I misunderstood what you were saying. True Mark did not have any of his own until the 2006 class. But the 2009 was still his best record and that was with his players not Bobbys.

Yeah, best record. But probably because the schedule was a little lighter in 2009.

 

[sportsphantom1]

I think Snyder was left a big plate of crap from Pruett and it just took awhile to find the groove...

Pruett did not leave Snyder a team with no talent. Snyder's 2005 team which was all entirely Bob Pruett's recruits finished ranked #33 in total defense. Snyder never had a defense ranked that high again. Pruett left Snyder a defense with guys like Albert McClellan, Juan Underwood, Gator Hoskins, Curtis Keyes, Chris Royal, C.J. Spillman. On offense Pruett left Snyder the best running back in Marshall history, Ahmed Bradshaw. He also left Snyder 4 offensive linemen that would end up signing NFL contracts including guys like Doug Legursky and Daniel Baldridge, Snyder was left arena QB Bernard Morris who Snyder never did develop properly. Pruett left Snyder a great deal of talent. This claim that Pruett left Snyder a team with no talent or facing sanctions is nonsense. It just didn't happen

 

[Sash19]

I was never a big supporter of Mark Snyder...but he did bring some very good football players to Marshall during The Herds transition from The MAC to CUSA, 2005-2009 (a much stronger CUSA than today). Albert McClellan, Cody Slate & Ahmad Bradshaw come to mind. In his 4 years at the helm..Marshall's program produced 40 all-conference selections, plus a lot of his guys made it to the NFL...something that is rare for the past 8 years.

I support Mark was a Son of Marshall...and he knows football. His personality [solely my opinion] proved to be his downfall. I know it's not a probability...but I would like to see Mark return to The Herd's staff.....if he were willing to take a pay cut from Michigan State. He is known for his defensive ability...but perhaps he could provide some spark as OC...since he has served on some explosive teams when it comes to scoring points.

Just wondering in Charlotte...


Zilla22

I can assure you that wont happen. I know Mark and his family are very happy in East Lansing. While he still loves Marshall, that shipped has sailed and wont be coming back to port.

 

[Sash19]

Pruett did not leave Snyder a team with no talent. Snyder's 2005 team which was all entirely Bob Pruett's recruits finished ranked #33 in total defense. Snyder never had a defense ranked that high again. Pruett left Snyder a defense with guys like Albert McClellan, Juan Underwood, Gator Hoskins, Curtis Keyes, Chris Royal, C.J. Spillman. On offense Pruett left Snyder the best running back in Marshall history, Ahmed Bradshaw. He also left Snyder 4 offensive linemen that would end up signing NFL contracts including guys like Doug Legursky and Daniel Baldridge, Snyder was left arena QB Bernard Morris who Snyder never did develop properly. Pruett left Snyder a great deal of talent. This claim that Pruett left Snyder a team with no talent or facing sanctions is nonsense. It just didn't happen

He did leave him with a major reduction in scholarships and a cloud of confusion and angst at what was going on in the athletic department at the time. He also left Mark no time to hire his own staff given that Bobby left later than a normal coaching change would happen.

 

[Herd Fever]

Was watching replay of the wvu game today. It dawned on me how much talent was on that team left by Mark Snyder. Vinny Curry, Lee Smith, Aaron Dobson, Omar Brown, Darryl Robertsand Mario Harvey all 6 future NFL players.. We played 2 ranked teams in Ohio State and WVU. The C-USA line up was solid. We played ECU and UCF.I really think that team would have rolled through this years schedule with ease, It looks like after 8 years we are not moving forward.Say what you will but We don't have any better talent on this team than we did then.

Darryl Roberts was a Doc recruit

 

[extragreen]

He did leave him with a major reduction in scholarships and a cloud of confusion and angst at what was going on in the athletic department at the time. He also left Mark no time to hire his own staff given that Bobby left later than a normal coaching change would happen.

If that was a big hit why was Snyder's first 2 years his best years other than 2009?

 

[goherdorgohome2]

If that was a big hit why was Snyder's first 2 years his best years other than 2009?

BP last couple recruiting classes weren’t the greatest, then once they were ready to play Snyder had to use them.... hints first year or two were ok, then he had junk ( no QB )... once Snyders classes came into play We started gaining ground... hints why Doc had a good start................. Snyder had an up hill battle because of Pruett slacking off do to internal fighting with the AD...

 

[Herd Fever]

BP last couple recruiting classes weren’t the greatest, then once they were ready to play Snyder had to use them.... hints first year or two were ok, then he had junk ( no QB )... once Snyders classes came into play We started gaining ground... hints why Doc had a good start................. Snyder had an up hill battle because of Pruett slacking off do to internal fighting with the AD...

5-7, 7-6, 5-7 isnt a great start at all

 

[extragreen]

BP last couple recruiting classes weren’t the greatest, then once they were ready to play Snyder had to use them.... hints first year or two were ok, then he had junk ( no QB )... once Snyders classes came into play We started gaining ground... hints why Doc had a good start................. Snyder had an up hill battle because of Pruett slacking off do to internal fighting with the AD...

^^That is malarkey.

 

[beefcake0520]

I know I am going to get blasted over this, but I do not feel the same way as the OP. If you do comparisons of who left and who replaced, it was a wash in a few aspects.

There was no replacement for ECU
MTSU replaced Memphis, at the time MTSU regularly beat Memphis
NT replaced Houston/SMU- Houston held an edge, SMU did not......at the time
WKU replaced Tulsa- Edge to WKU at that time
There was no good replacement for UCF
New addition UTSA - better upside than SMU, new market, started off on fire, edge UTSA
LT- replaced Tulane, hands down better replacement
ODU, UNCC, new adds, didn't replace anyone, only ODU has added anything.

So would the 2010 team really have run rough shod over all these replacements, I will say no. The names aren't as appealing, but the performance other than UCF and ECU, didn't really change.

 

[herdalicious]