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8-1 is an epic failure

the way Pruett left was suspect, but please list the great coaches that leave on good terms?

there has been talk for years about allowing players to transfer unconditionally if the head coach leaves their first season. many players commit to coaches, not programs. coaches leave and players are stuck. it sucks, but it happens every day at every level...

it doesn't happen like it did for the kids that signed with us in 2005 most of the time. usually they have a season with their head coach, the guys that were part of our 2005 class didn't even have a single practice for the coach and staff that signed them.

edit: but yeah, i wouldn't be opposed to a rule like that, but you couldn't just let kids walk with no repercussions.
 
Well staff yes because Mark Snyder wasn't allowed to let any of the coaches go before the 2005 season. Another thing that held the program back.
 
Well staff yes because Mark Snyder wasn't allowed to let any of the coaches go before the 2005 season. Another thing that held the program back.

not the entire staff, i believe he added shannon, todd goebbel, jared smith, and thielen smith.
 
not the entire staff, i believe he added shannon, todd goebbel, jared smith, and thielen smith.

Shannon wasn't added until he let Kueck go which was after the 2006 season. The others was added after the 2005 season
 
Wow...this thread is a total s*** storm right now. Why can't people just be happy that we're 8-1 and leave it at that? Is that so difficult?

Do I want our team to be blowing people out every week? Yes!! The fact that they aren't doesn't really present a concern to me though. I'm really getting sick of coming on here and looking for some news, or a decent discussion, and then seeing this 3 page drivel about who was the better coach or who took the moral high ground. Why can't you just cheer for your team (who needs it) instead of nit-picking every perceived negative thing you can possibly find? Why is it so difficult to just cheer for a team that is doing better than 2/3 of the teams in the country right now?

"Oh no!! We didn't put 67 points against Charlotte! Fire Doc!!"

Seriously. Shut up.
 
I just have a hard time seeing people dog Pruett.

I mean, I feel his entire body of work at Marshall still more than outweighs his untimely departure. Yes, it set us back, but hell the fact that Snyder became the new head coach set us back more than anything else.

Oh, and keep in mind, Doc interviewed for the position, but the brilliant K.O. Marcum didn't choose him.
 
#1 - grow up; I don't see anyone saying fire Doc.

#2 - if you don't like what is being discussed, then don't read it.

OK, I don't have a dog in this fight, but really, if it's not reflected in the topic line, how are you supposed to know what is being discussed without reading it? Because there's no way the topic line could cover the half-dozen ways this thread has veered.
 
At least Doc won't leave the team high and dry...

Pruett's only reason for success was due to Randy Moss being rejected by 3 other schools, and having Donnan's players...and competing in FCS. He seriously would be slaughtered if he tried coaching in this day and age.
 
At least Doc won't leave the team high and dry...

Pruett's only reason for success was due to Randy Moss being rejected by 3 other schools, and having Donnan's players...and competing in FCS. He seriously would be slaughtered if he tried coaching in this day and age.

wow........................................
 
Herdstruck - I was responding to the numerous comments comparing the teams, schedules, and players from the previous 2 division 1A Marshall teams. I don't prefer any of the 3 coaches. I think all 3 did as good a job here at Marshall as they were capable of doing and that is all you can ask of a coach. Some had better results than others but I respect all 3. Snyder was let go due to his lack of results, Pruett quit due to internal squabbles, and Doc is currently giving the job his best shot.
I don't see why you feel the need to insult me for giving my opinion. I've noticed that you dislike Pruett and feel he quit on the team and caused problems for MU football through his actions while coach. While I don't dislike Pruett and do appreciate his raising Marshall to its highest rating ever in Div I; I too feel his abrupt departure and the sanctions imposed set the Herd back for years. I'm thankful Doc seems to be bringing the Herd back, but I have a hard time judging how far back we are due to the schedules we have played the last couple of years.
Like it or not the 1999 Herd team (coached by Bobby Pruett) set the standard that all successful MU teams will be compared to until one comes along that accomplishes more.

Here's the problem...

Your definition of "more" is going to change...and you're going to change it due to your reservations.

Honestly, I think Doc has surpassed pruett...he's surpassed him because he was able to out-recruit better schools and has basically had to entirely re-build the program. pruett had the luxury of never knowing what that's like...well he sort of did when he bolted for the UVA job and was so overwhelmed with the body of work, he likely would have keeled over and died if he stayed any longer.
Doc's also done it in a relatively shorter period of time. Hamrick is in charge of the scheduling, and in case you haven't noticed, the schedule is going to be harder. It was easier now because fans complained about "I hate going 0-3 before conference play begins..." so Hamrick padded the schedule...now fans complained "Well because we don't play anyone, I won't show up for games...Hamrick's a lousy AD...fire him and fire the mayor of Huntington as well...because I sit on my fat ass all day for 20 years, I know how to run this crap program..."
But it's been benefiting Doc and the program because you need to start small and work your way up.

Doc's made the team successful and brought national attention to us, hell, he's brought it to us when we had a schedule working against us and we were not even carried on the sports broadcasting station that everyone watches...hell, the mere fact we are even recognized at this point, it pretty impressive.

But then again, this is what "more" means to me...not to you or '77...which is sad because you just won't go forward.
 
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Just look at his DC stint at UVA...his defense was lousy and terrible. His coaching style, thankfully, is outdated.

In his defense...no pun intended...the entire UVA squad was terrible...but hey, since he won games with Marshall and he beat a ranked BYU squad once, he's supposed to be able to coach, right?
Oh wait...
 
Just look at his DC stint at UVA...his defense was lousy and terrible. His coaching style, thankfully, is outdated.

In his defense...no pun intended...the entire UVA squad was terrible...but hey, since he won games with Marshall and he beat a ranked BYU squad once, he's supposed to be able to coach, right?
Oh wait...

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At least Doc won't leave the team high and dry...

Pruett's only reason for success was due to Randy Moss being rejected by 3 other schools, and having Donnan's players...and competing in FCS. He seriously would be slaughtered if he tried coaching in this day and age.
Dumb shit post.
 
Wow...this thread is a total s*** storm right now. Why can't people just be happy that we're 8-1 and leave it at that? Is that so difficult?

Do I want our team to be blowing people out every week? Yes!! The fact that they aren't doesn't really present a concern to me though. I'm really getting sick of coming on here and looking for some news, or a decent discussion, and then seeing this 3 page drivel about who was the better coach or who took the moral high ground. Why can't you just cheer for your team (who needs it) instead of nit-picking every perceived negative thing you can possibly find? Why is it so difficult to just cheer for a team that is doing better than 2/3 of the teams in the country right now?

"Oh no!! We didn't put 67 points against Charlotte! Fire Doc!!"

Seriously. Shut up.


Well said post more often PLEASE!!!!
 
I mean there is alot of truth in that statement lol

Randy Moss was unstoppable in college against anybody

Hmmm...Doc was able to get players that are actually better than the starters...our starting QB went down with an injury and suddenly the new guy is productive...same with Cato.
Thats never happened, right? Oh wait...yeah...wvu had some loser named pat white who emerged in basically the same fashion that we are seeing with Chase and have seen with Cato.
 
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