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A conference with Cincinnati, Memphis (basketball), UCF, Navy, UConn (basketball) and ECU.
Current conference has FAIU, Charlotte, ODU, North Texas.
That is not a lateral move.
Current conference has FAIU, Charlotte, ODU, North Texas.
That is not a lateral move.
Calling a move to the American "a lateral move" is the worst observation/opinion in this thread.
You're right. Let's just leave out WKU, La tech, and Rice. Charlotte and ODU are solid in basketball, UAB just made the ncaa tournament last year and made it to the second round. And we also can't forget where Southern Miss can get to in terms of sports. Do we need to look at bowl records from last year as well?
It's good that even you are now getting tired of this argument.............you are rapidly becoming the only one in America who continues to believe your incredibly biased assessment of this league. Your silly put-downs are really growing tiresome. Let's all wait a couple of years before we draw long term conclusions about which league is good, better, best....
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I know the MAC isn't better lmao or is this a year by year ranking type of thing? We were better last year, now they're better this year? Wonder how it'll be next year. Hmmm.
OMG, don't let SamC read that.
FYI........I had lunch yesterday with the Commissioner of the Sun Belt...... he believes AAC is best and the other 4 are bunched together with MWC at the top of the other 4 due to the strength of Boise.. Most people who actually make their living in this business are pretty much in similar agreement.
BTW (and DShoe can confirm this) the next ( and last conference expansion) will be based on media market value, and to a lesser extent, fertile recruiting areas...not wins and loses, not G5 standings and not by wins over P5 teams. TV market and whether a team can bring that market. This means that it will likely include some combination of Memphis, Cincinatti, Boise State, Temple, UCF, USF, Colorado State and BYU.
And that just turns the AAC into CUSA the year we entered into it. No point in paying exit fees, and the ability to not take props just to play for the same thing (access bowl).
Charleston/ Huntington is 66th TV market but we don't own it, WVU does.
To me its not about which league is best but where Marshall can flourish. I liked 1997-2002 much better than 2003-2011. The MAC didn't prevent us becoming the darling of ESPN and CUSA wont hold us back if we can keep forging ahead. Plenty of room in the OOC to show off and play some attractive competition. Schedule is much better next yr. You have to be a conf champ to get the Access Bowl. Chances are better in CUSA.
I watched the Tulane vs .UCF game for a time and I will kiss your ass if there were more than 5000 folks in the stands for that joke of a game. Right...better than CUSA....ok don't think so.
Actually most all of those games you listed as being on the "internet" were still on National TV. ESPN3 games are now shown live on several Cable and Satelitte providers. I have DirecTV and get the AAC ESPN3 (WatchESPN) games in HD. They did away with the College Game Plan deal and now show them for free as long as you have the Sports package.
I love the AAC's TV Deal....We are all over the ESPN networks and they pay attention to the AAC in order to promote their games. So far this season ECU has had a game on ABC, one on ESPN2, one on CBS Sports Network, and one on ESPN News. Also we had one on ESPN3 but it was still on DirecTV. We already have two games scheduled for ESPNU, one on ESPN, one on ESPN2. The others will be picked up by one of the ESPN networks or CBSCS.
All of these games are national broadcasts and we are getting tons of exposure. Our Coaches have commented on how our TV contract has really started boosting recruiting.
The AAC isn't interested in Marshall, so don't worry about it...
If the AAC adds anyone, it'll be teams like Army and UMass football only...or maybe just WSU to offset Navy football only.
Marshall needs good basketball and a media market
If the AAC adds anyone, it'll be teams like Army and UMass football only...or maybe just WSU to offset Navy football only.
Marshall needs good basketball and a media market
lol, do you use Kansas v Iowa State to determine if big 12 attendance is good? No, you watch Texas vs Oklahoma...
I hate to say this, but eerbilly high should have stayed in the AAC and have given it more credibility. If they had it might have gotten P5 status and they could have been the big fish in the little pond and their delusional fan base would have been much happier.
As it is, now theyre pummel fodder in the over rated B12 and even with this senior laden team can't compete. (Their crotch grabbing leader Holgs even said so in a post game presser)
Look a the teams left, it's their old Big East buddies UConn Cinnci and Big East wanna bees SMU and Tulane.
So if you look at it, that genius of an AD that left them on probation as he bolted for the NCAA may have royally screwed them in the long run.
Now think about this....add Marshall and Eerbilly high at the same time to the AAC and then lobby for P5!
As it is, now theyre pummel fodder in the over rated B12 and even with this senior laden team can't compete. (Their crotch grabbing leader Holgs even said so in a post game presser)
Look a the teams left, it's their old Big East buddies UConn Cinnci and Big East wanna bees SMU and Tulane.
So if you look at it, that genius of an AD that left them on probation as he bolted for the NCAA may have royally screwed them in the long run.
Now think about this....add Marshall and Eerbilly high at the same time to the AAC and then lobby for P5!
Actually, the most popular team in this market are the Wildcats. When people discuss this market, they often forget that, one, a third of it is in Ohio or Kentucky, where there are exactly zero USPAM fans; and, two, the effect of Marshall on the USPAM draw in Cabell and environs. Fact is USPAM was rejected for the ACC because it cannot even deliver this tiny state.
Excellent point. The most common theme among THE AMERICAN!!!!! 's random collection of teams is the only thing they have in common. NO ONE REALLY CARES. Fanless nothings. The reason THE AMERICAN!!!!!! (and the MAC) can accept the live-gate killing ESPN deals to play on random weeknights is that nobody is going to come anyway. They can draw the same handful on a Tuesday night as on a Saturday afternoon. The legitimate programs of CUSA know better.
Thank you for sharing the decades old tidbit that most ESPN3 internet games are also on DirecTV via what used to be called "Game Plan", and charged for, but which has now become so worthless that it is just free (you don't even need a subscribed box, it really is just FREE). If you think that is "national TV" then your level of delusion has reached epic proportions. Since you can get ESPN3 in Europe, doesn't that make it "international TV" ?
You may now resume your lifetime hate of all those baby blue clad people. Fact is, nobody who didn't go to ECU cares, and you can join whatever conference you want, the Tobacco Road Four are still not going to ever care.
I'm not sure I completely agree with that statement......although I will agree it will weigh heavily and be a real driver for the P5 leagues. For others and particularly the AAC, it will be more about "can you help us gain more parity with the P5 leagues"..... If Marshall aspires to be in the AAC (and I'm not sure it does) then getting to an access Bowl soon is critical. Simple as that.
You, and your school are irrelevant. Enjoy life as a hate filled spec of red in a sea of Burnt Orange and Maroon.
No one cares about Houston. No one. You were tossed out of the SWC and now float around the fanless nothing of THE AMERICAN!!!!!!!
Honestly, where do you think Houston is in the Houston market? Behind tu? Certainly. Behind TAMU? Without doubt. Behind Baylor? Unquestionably. Behind the various alma maters of the hundreds of schools that found their way there to work? As a group together, yes. Behind all the pro teams, including probably a couple dozen in Mexico? Yep. Leaving? Leaving a typical THE AMERICAN!!!!!!!!! school. In, but not relevant in, some city. A tiny spec of thin envelopers butt hurt for life over not getting in to State U.
No one cares. No one will ever care. Enjoy playing CFCC before no one for nothing on ESPN12.
No one cares about Houston. No one. You were tossed out of the SWC and now float around the fanless nothing of THE AMERICAN!!!!!!!
Honestly, where do you think Houston is in the Houston market? Behind tu? Certainly. Behind TAMU? Without doubt. Behind Baylor? Unquestionably. Behind the various alma maters of the hundreds of schools that found their way there to work? As a group together, yes. Behind all the pro teams, including probably a couple dozen in Mexico? Yep. Leaving? Leaving a typical THE AMERICAN!!!!!!!!! school. In, but not relevant in, some city. A tiny spec of thin envelopers butt hurt for life over not getting in to State U.
No one cares. No one will ever care. Enjoy playing CFCC before no one for nothing on ESPN12.
We are 4-0 and have the potential for a very special season. We also would have the highest attendance in Conference USA right now if we were still in it, so if we're irrelevant then what does that say about everybody else there?
SamC,
How do you get to decide who is relevant and who isn't? Do you think you and your opinions, which almost no one now agrees with are more relevant? And is Marshall really more relevant on a National level than UofH?
In the past you have written some really well thought out and informative posts, but now they are full of vitriol, name calling and dramatically ill thought out rhetoric. Your opinions on the AAC make no sense whatsoever no matter the point discussed. What happened to you?
Right, but that was Tulane and Tulane does not make or break the league. Lots of empty seats at MTSU last night vs. Vandy, now that was shocking. ECU's 50,000 for Va Tech, doesn't make the league either or Memphis' 45,000+ the other day, but we don't have ANY CUSA crowds like that this year either............ And seriously, is Tulane attendance any worse than Rice?
A very smart person once said something about "stones and glass houses"...........great advice
Shoe. They have this outfit called AC Nielsen. That, combined with tickets actually sold and at what price; how many people are actually there; alumni giving; gear sales, etc.
It is the same argument that has generated out of Big East / THE AMERICAN!!!!! HQ since way before realignment. The difference between being IN a market, and being RELEVANT IN a market.
First, let me say ECU made a huge mistake. Their profile fits CUSA way more than THE AMERICAN!!!!!! But that is their problem, and, truth be told, ECU has the world's worst case of "little brother". And it could join the Big 10 tomorrow and its fans would find their ACC friends equally dismissive. ECU will never be happy until it is in the ACC, and ECU will never be in the ACC.
That said, YOU pick the THE AMERICAN!!!!! market. New Orleans? Cincinnati? Dallas? Tulsa? Even leaving out pro discussions, please name me a market where THE AMERICAN!!!!!! team has even a nominal claim to being more than an agate type story? You are honestly going to argue me that LSU is not 99% of the college market in NOLA, and every other part of Louisiana? You are going to tell me that Florida fans all live in the (tiny) Gainesville markets? Or Florida State's in the (even tinier) Tallahassee one? That is just not realistic. If it were, then a league with NYU and the University of Chicago would exist, and nobody would want teams like Tennessee, Texas A&M, or Georgia in their league.
The deal is, leaving out the uninformed discussion about people desire to watch every game on TV no matter the economic reality of that, you, and most THE AMERICAN!!!! want to place it in some zone between the "power 5" and the "group of 5". No such zone exits (one might have, had the old "Big" East's arrogant management wisely accepted CUSA and the MWC's offers of cooperation during realignment). All three of the conferences, and one could even say all four with the MAC included, are the same. Win all your games, play in the "access bowl". Lose once and play in Boca. Really that simple. The THE AMERICAN!!!! crowd is here, and on dozens more board, yelling "NO" really loudly. It doesn't make it so.
So what, EXACTLY, would we get for our $7M. My opinion, and more importantly MH's, are to keep the wise decision to keep up out of this money pit, which is 100% the same as any other alternative, including THE AMERICAN!!!!!
Actually going to the AAC was the best thing that could have happened for ECU outside of a P5 conference which we all know is not going to happen. The teams in the AAC, outside of a couple of schools, are the same teams we have been playing for decades. We have very little history with any CUSA schools except USM. Staying in CUSA would have been a death sentence for our program. Our fans would not have had any excitement for conference games outside of Marshall and USM. The exposure alone is worth way more than the exit and entry fees...Also when the contract is renegotiated in a couple of years we will likely see a pretty substantial bump in TV money. Aresco is already in some talks with ESPN and has been reporting back positive information to the schools.
The question is do we go ahead and renegotiate and sign an extension or wait and let the contract go to the open market for bids...ESPN has been very pleased with the TV ratings for our games and it sounds like they are willing to go ahead and give us a good bump if we sign a long term extension. So things are really looking up for the AAC as a conference. We just needed to prove the stability and viability of the league...We will be in a much better negotiating position now than when it was not known if the league would even play a game in its current form.
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SamC,
A well thought out response! Thanks and thanks for leaving out most of the belittling remarks, too.
we can agree to disagree on some of these things for sure, and to do it in a civil way, makes it a real debate.
Thanks
All that said, I'm not one who necessarily says that the American is the right fit for MU now or in the future, there are other things beyond the obvious that go into that discussion. But the American is currently and likely will continue to be a more highly regarded league than CUSA, that does not however mean that it is or is not a better fit for MU. I'll leave that to the "powers that be" up on ole' 16th street.
Not so. The AAC has at least 2, probably 3 Power 5 programs in waiting. There are programs with a lot more potential there.
Yeah. But the time realignment comes around, they'll bounce, and we'll be stuck in old CUSA.
Iowa State has excellent attendance, regardless of win-loss record. The entire state of Kansas watches Big XII sports on television. XII media ratings are outstanding, which is why their media payout is among the top conferences. It isn't just TX and OK that determine those ratings, and there are other programs in the very large State of Texas, but nobody will deny that U Texas is the top dog media wise, probably in the whole country.
Memphis has potential to move up to Power 5 level due to the fact that, although it will always be #2 in Tennessee, it can carry enough of that state to make it a lucrative addition with its domination of the western 1/3 of the state.
Iowa State has excellent attendance, regardless of win-loss record. The entire state of Kansas watches Big XII sports on television. XII media ratings are outstanding, which is why their media payout is among the top conferences. It isn't just TX and OK that determine those ratings, and there are other programs in the very large State of Texas, but nobody will deny that U Texas is the top dog media wise, probably in the whole country.
Memphis has potential to move up to Power 5 level due to the fact that, although it will always be #2 in Tennessee, it can carry enough of that state to make it a lucrative addition with its domination of the western 1/3 of the state.
No such zone officially exists, but everyone knows it is there. UConn is clearly the dominant factor in a state with 7 million people, and unlike Ohio, where OSU shares a small portion with Cincy and much smaller portions with OU, Kent State, etc., in Connecticut UConn is the only player of significance and it gets play in NYC. Cincy is Cincy, located in a large city with significant following... really about on a parallel with Louisville, Navy has a national presence. ECU, in a major league, would easily be on a par with Duke or Wake in football. And, UCF has a significant presence in a major Florida city with a huge alumni base. UMass could eclipse Boston College in MA under the right circumstances. The AAC is WAY better at the top end than C-USA in terms of potential and prestige.
The area's where WVU is the dominant collegiate media draw include all of West Virginia, not just Charleston and Cabell/Wayne, plus 2 counties in PA and part of a third, and 2 counties in Maryland. WVU draws 30% of the college market in the City of Pittsburgh with the rest split between Penn State and Pitt. Nationally, WVU's television audience appeal is #32, not bad for a school in a small state and at least average for Power 5 programs.
Throw in UConn, and ECU as an outside possibility, and I believe you have it there. Also include Navy if Notre Dame decides it wants to go somewhere and take them along, because they won't go anywhere unless Navy goes with them or are in the mix with them. For some reason they are permanent collegiate butt buddies.
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