Alex Trebek
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How does this work? Is there a quota that your god uses in terms of how many lives he will save or let stay on Earth? Are his choices somehow influenced by the number of prayers each person on the bubble gets? Is it a direct democracy where the person with the most prayers gets saved or is it a sort of representative republic where angels listen to the prayers but then can choose who they save on their own?f
And if you know these people are Christians and going to heaven, isn't it extremely self-serving to pray for their health instead of allowing them to go to this miraculous place like heaven? Why wouldn't a person want to go there if given the option? Why would you pray to keep that person in purgatory instead of a great place like heaven?
instead of trying to answer your question I would say that he asked for prayers so I am praying for him.
That's great, but what if he had asked for a blowjob?
Go ahead and answer my questions. Alex won't care. I promise.
We really don't know. But we've been told to pray for pretty much everyone.
At least sometimes.
We can pray for them to be comforted during their last days of earthly life. I've never prayed for a Christian to have their life on earth prolonged, but I have for those that seemingly are not prepared.
I fully believe those prepared would be better off, but there's this human part of us that want to stick around to help others such as family and friends. We realize we can't do anything good when were dead.
I asked my wife for one, but she said no. I then started praying for at least a hand job, and next thing I know, I was in the bathroom whacking away, so I'm a believer.
Agreed. With such a serious disease, these morons want to start talking about doing something as useful as shitting in their own hand. Then, when asked how praying helps, they admit that they aren’t even sure if it does or how it does.
The questions are open to you, too.
You don’t know if it works or how it works. It may simply be a case of your god killing or not killing somebody based on a popularity contest of who gets more prayers. Seems logical.
You do it without no clue of how or if it works simply because some vagabond allegedly said to do it thousands of years ago.
The sheer stupidity and gullibility of you theists never ceases to amaze me.
And your comment about being able to pray for his comfort is talking in circles. So you won’t pray for him to live but will rather pray for his comfort during his death even though you have no idea if or how the prayers work. Is there a single other thing in your life that you spend significant time and energy on without knowing if it actually works toward achieving your goal?
You seem to be ignoring the fact that Alex Trebek specifically asked for people to pray.
Personally, I often cringe when I hear people say they "will pray for you," or simply reply to Facebook posts with "prayers," but only because it has become a cliche expression in today's society.
People will often use this expression with the same intent behind it as "bless you" when someone sneezes. I think the majority of folks (not implying Ohio Herd) will talk about praying for someone, but then don't actually follow through with it. That, to me, is just as bad as being a Godless, condemned soul like yourself.
I know some of the things the Bible says about the matter. It says:
"The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."
That has everything to do with reconciliation and forgiveness and absolutely nothing to do with your god showing favoritism to those you pray for.
Please, try again.
That may matter if he was a Make-a-Wish kid, but that isn’t the case. If he were to write his own obituary asking for donations to Planned Parenthood, would you do what he asks? If he asked for you to jerkoff to gay male porn instead of to pray, would you oblige? If he asked you to donate $500 so he could use it for chocolate therapy - an alternative treatment of pancreatic cancer that has absolutely no proof of effectiveness - would you donate?
In other words, it doesnt matter what the fvck he asked for. If there is absolutely no proof of it working, no basis for doing it, and no logical correlation, then save your god damn prayers and do something that can actually help people.
Using extreme examples in an attempt to illustrate your point? Big surprise. Now then, if someone I cared about had a dying wish for me to do something to honor his/her memory, then YES I would do it, even if it wasn't something that was going to change the outcome or even help others. None of the examples you gave above would be something anyone would ask.
No, it doesn't. Here's the context....
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
In spite of the absurdity of your question I will answer you. Prayer is a belief found in the scriptures. The bible invites us to pray and even has an expectation that a follower of Christ will pray. I will not list the numerous verses in the Bible that teach the value of prayer since doing so would be like water off a ducks back with you. I am also sure that nothing I say will put a dent in your skeptical worldview either. However, millions of people down through the ages from all around the world have agreed with me and Alex that prayer is something to value.
Over the years, there have been calls for a day of prayer, including from President Abraham Lincoln in 1863. President Harry Truman signed a bill in 1952 proclaiming the National Day of Prayer into law in the United States.
The Founding Fathers called for a Day of prayer at the Continental Congress in 1775. George Washington called for prayer as he asked the nation to invoke help from the Almighty in our struggle with England.
Of course you are making fun of the value of prayer when dealing with sickness. As you are aware there are many differing viewpoints about the efficiency of prayer in the healing process.Search the web and you will find this to be the case. I will offer one article only to propose that the medical community is looking at this very seriously.
https://www.webmd.com/balance/features/can-prayer-heal#1
Here is a link to a book by a Duke Psychiatrist named Harold Koenig , M.D.
https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Healing_Power_of_Prayer.html?id=wmlbQ8uSV6gC
This book shows from a clinical perspective the power of prayer to relieve stress , improve your outlook and mend your body. He is cited in the Web MD article I listed as an expert.
So you can argue till you are blue in the face but I have seen God answer prayer and really don't need your seal of approval to validate the authenticity of my claims.So in other words people from political leaders and Generals and Medical Doctors, school teachers, preachers and football coaches believe in it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/30/...ngly-footballs-playbooks-call-for-prayer.html
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16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
Whoever sins that^^^sin. I don't know for an absolute certainty what that specific sin is.
You mad....because I can answer the questions you didn't think I could. Wanna try some more?
Back to Trebek, is his life still in jeopardy?
Umm, you claim it doesn't have to do with forgiveness, and as proof for your argument you post scripture that says "forgiven" directly in it. Brilliant.
Yes, those same "millions of people" who argued for hundreds of years that Earth is flat, that the sun revolves around Earth, that life has only been on this planet for about 6000 years, etc. Nice group of people you associate with.
Are you really trying to use this as an argument for validating that prayer actually works in terms of changing the outcome of uncontrollable situations? The dumbing down of this board is at an all time high.
You're simply proving my point now. "Prayer" is no different than meditation or an internal pep rally, to some people, who need motivation and positivity in their life. Millions of random strangers who Trebek doesn't know won't have any impact on if he survives his cancer for six months or six years. There is simply no relationship between praying to your god about an uncontrollable situation. Why? Because that god doesn't exist.
Can prayer, as a sort of internal meditation/stress reliever help on an individual basis for things that can be controlled? Sure. But that has absolutely nothing to do with praying to an imaginary deity for help when that deity doesn't exist and has no power.
I made no such claim. YOU claim it has "absolutely nothing to do with your god showing favoritism".
about 7% of the world have no belief in God. Whereas there are obviously many differing viewpoints as to who God is most people,93% believe in God. Good luck hanging your eternity with the 7%.if prayer never worked Then at some point people would cease to pray. That is not the case because the testimony of m any is that prayer does work,maybe not in every prayer offered but many times.According to PEW Research 55% of Americans pray daily! One study says that 87% of Americans say God answers some of their prayers. That yaggs says about 170 million Americans agree with me.so you know for a fact that millions of people have all lied about the fact that God does answer prayer...priceless
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Now, let's look at this fib of yours.
What you quoted me on was this:
"That has everything to do with reconciliation and forgiveness and absolutely nothing to do with your god showing favoritism to those you pray for."
Your response was:
"No, it doesn't."
Now, which part of my quote does "No, it doesn't" fit?
Let's see if it fits the first part: "That has everything to do with reconciliation and forgiveness."
Yes, it fits that part, because "No, it doesn't" makes sense as a response to that if you disagree with it. But that is not what you claim to be disagreeing with.
Here is the part of my quote that you now claim to be disagreeing with: "That has . . . absolutely nothing to do with your god showing favoritism to those you pray for."
Now, does "No, it doesn't" make any sense in response to that if you disagree with it? No. It doesn't make sense at all. In fact, saying "No, it doesn't" after that part of my quote, which is the part you're now saying you contested, would actually agree with my statement.
Of course, after I quickly showed that your own argument used "forgiveness" in it, you realized it agreed exactly with what I argued, so you had to lie and claim you were contesting something else that you quoted me on. But in that case, your response of "No, it doesn't" makes absolutely no sense in response to it.
You simply aren't bright enough to understand this.
Let's say you pray every night for help financially for your family. Finally, after two months of struggling and praying, there is good news! Your wife gets a promotion which will give her $1000 more per month. Clearly, your god has answered your prayers, right? Congratulations on being one of the 87% whom you stated claim that their god answers at least some of their prayers.
Let's say you're a farmer in California in the middle of a bad drought. For weeks, you pray for relief from the sun and to get some rain to help save your crops and your livelihood. Finally, after 20 days, you get a nice downpour. Clearly, your god has answered your prayers, right? Congratulations on being one of the 87% of morons.
Want to know the reality? You praying each night for help financially didn't directly result in your wife's promotion. It would have happened regardless. Now, there is some merit in her holding out and having false hope that some higher power will look out for her, in turn motivating her to push forward instead of quitting in life, but that's simply proof that religion is for the weak-minded who need a crutch to get through life and absolutely no proof of a god answering their prayers.
Want to know the reality? You praying for rain or a break from the scorching sun didn't result in the downpour or rain after a few weeks. It would have rained regardless of you praying or not.
I've never "fibbed" on this board. And you know it.
I've proven you're wrong by the very verses that give context to the scripture that included this: "The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."
You're in my wheelhouse, you're wrong. Move along. No essays can change that.
Don't kid yourself, you have no way of proving your position. So in other words millions of people are all wrong and you(the all knowing one) is right? Hilarious- keep telling yourself that .
I'm in your wheelhouse, yet you were so wrong on your claim that you had to fib about what you said "No" about?
Your response to my quote didn't make any sense to the part of the quote you flopped and said you were responding to. The only reason you had to argue that you were only talking about that one small part of my quote was because I showed that your own source said exactly what I said and used the same key word.
I'm not the one who has to prove my position. The person who has such outlandish claims as your religion is the one forced to prove their position. You're the one who claims that praying to an imaginary ghost in the sky somehow allows him to provide miracles. You're the one with the illogical, non-factual, and absurd claims. Hence, the burden is on you to prove it works.
Oh, and for the "millions of people are all wrong and you is [sic] right" comment . . . there are billions who think you are wrong. That includes those who believe in another god (thus making them believe that prayers to your god are a waste since they don't believe your god exists) and those who believe in no gods.
So I guess the billions of people who agree with me on this are all wrong and you (the all knowing one) is right? "Hilarious- keep telling yourself that."
Yes. MY wheelhouse. If you had said of the context below in the Bible scriptures that some (instead of everything) of it was about reconciliation and forgiveness, and some (instead of nothing) to do with showing favoritism, you would have been correct. The Bible scriptures I presented CLEARLY show that it's talking about both physical sickness AND sin. Not only were you wrong about your "everything", you were also wrong about your "nothing."
Keep running from how your "No, it doesn't" fits into what you claimed you were refuting. It doesn't. And after I showed that your very own explanation used the exact same word as what you contested of mine, you ran to claim you were talking about only a smaller part of my quote which doesn't fit your "No, it doesn't" response.
You're wrong. I know it. You know it. You said it had EVERY thing to do with reconciliation,etc. (while it most certainly does not) and nothing to do with healing (which it most certainly does). I provided the context. It's right there in black and white.
