America voted Red not blue!

[ohio herd]

Once again I hear whiny libs whine about the election. Trump won big time. Look at this breakdown of counties won.

Election Results by counties


2016

2,623 Trump and 489 for Clinton



Look at 2012 election

Romney 2,420 and 693 for Obama

Blame Hillary and bad candidate. America is turning into a sea of red!

 

[GK4Herd]

I'm getting a sense of deja vu. Haven't we argued this one before?

 

[ohio herd]

I'm getting a sense of deja vu. Haven't we argued this one before?

If nothing else it should show anyone who wants to look at this election objectively that if Hillary would have kept the same amount of counties that Obama did in the last election she would have won the election. I am convinced she took many of the counties for granted in the rust belt states and it bit her. I would also remind you that we are not a democracy but a Republic.The Founders had the wisdom to insure a few large states could not dominate the "united states". Otherwise we should throw out how we elect US Senators as well.

http://www.thisnation.com/question/011.html

 

[herdfan429]

Russia FBI james comey and stupid Americans are at fault.

 

[GK4Herd]

I'm fully aware of the fact that we are a Republic, but I don't think it's totally honest to make this look more significant than it is (from a margin of victory perspective). Trump won because he won the electoral votes. He's president and he should be. But to frame this as though the victory was dominating isn't quite fair either. It's impressive considering how overwhelmingly poor his chances were a year ago, but when push comes to shove the electoral margin is a fickle thing. Trump lost the popular vote and it would only take a poor performance over the next four years to swing this thing back to the democrats.

 

[ohio herd]

Russia FBI james comey and stupid Americans are at fault.

excuse me chief, I voted for Trump and I am not dumb.

 

[30Kelly]

2 words, "Big League."

Or, as it always sounded, just one word, "Biggly."

 

[herdfan429]

excuse me chief, I voted for Trump and I am not dumb.

Somebody is sensitive and can't pick up sarcasm

 

[caliherd]

Not a Trump fan at all. As a matter of fact his personality and complete inexperience in how a government runs scares me.(I'm Not a fan of Hillary either) I hope that my opinion of him is changed in the next 4 years and I am willing to give him a chance.

But to say this was not a dominating victory due to the popular vote, is intellectually false. Trump dominated Ohio. He didn't barely win it like W did in 2004. This is a state that is swinging more left over the years other than southern Ohio and Cincinnati and he had a similar winning percentage in Ohio as he did in Texas. He won Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. Yes they were close but none of these states have been in play for a Republican since HW Bush in 1988. The fact he swept them speaks huge volumes of how dominating this victory was.

The reason Hillary won the popular vote is due to the fact the major population centers in the country are overwhelmingly democrat. She won NY city 80 to 20%. That's a city of 8.5 million people. The numbers in Los Angeles the second largest city were similar. Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia, etc also voted in overwhelming numbers for Hillary but that's it. You get outside of those areas and Trump dominated.

I'm sorry I don't want 10 cities or so in this country deciding who the President is going to be especially considering the majority of those cities are dumpster fires. I hope we always have the electoral college.

Trump won across this country. He kept the classic red states red and turned some blue states red in the process. He won counties that Obama dominated during his elections. To pooh pooh his victory as some razor thin win is incredibly disingenuous

 

[Walden Pond]

Trump and his picks aren't big into global warming. That's the reason for the blowback.

 

[raleighherdfan]

As a matter of fact his personality and complete inexperience in how a government runs

This is EXACTLY what is needed. No reason to "Fear". "Experience" in govt has created the massive malfeasance we currently see in govt.

 

[andy4theherd]

This is EXACTLY what is needed. No reason to "Fear". "Experience" in govt has created the massive malfeasance we currently see in govt.

it's the one thing Cons, Libs, and those in between completely agree on.

 

[GK4Herd]

Not a Trump fan at all. As a matter of fact his personality and complete inexperience in how a government runs scares me.(I'm Not a fan of Hillary either) I hope that my opinion of him is changed in the next 4 years and I am willing to give him a chance.

But to say this was not a dominating victory due to the popular vote, is intellectually false. Trump dominated Ohio. He didn't barely win it like W did in 2004. This is a state that is swinging more left over the years other than southern Ohio and Cincinnati and he had a similar winning percentage in Ohio as he did in Texas. He won Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. Yes they were close but none of these states have been in play for a Republican since HW Bush in 1988. The fact he swept them speaks huge volumes of how dominating this victory was.

The reason Hillary won the popular vote is due to the fact the major population centers in the country are overwhelmingly democrat. She won NY city 80 to 20%. That's a city of 8.5 million people. The numbers in Los Angeles the second largest city were similar. Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia, etc also voted in overwhelming numbers for Hillary but that's it. You get outside of those areas and Trump dominated.

I'm sorry I don't want 10 cities or so in this country deciding who the President is going to be especially considering the majority of those cities are dumpster fires. I hope we always have the electoral college.

Trump won across this country. He kept the classic red states red and turned some blue states red in the process. He won counties that Obama dominated during his elections. To pooh pooh his victory as some razor thin win is incredibly disingenuous

I don't totally disagree with that even though I've argued on the opposite side. This is the second time around for virtually the same argument. I've actually made the exact same point if you look back on past threads about the value of an electoral system preventing large population concentrations with interests different than the vast majority of the country deciding the presidency. I'm with you.

But the first time this was argued a map was displayed that shaded red and blue. It showed a Republican domination. My contention was and still is that that is deceptive. When you go back and look at the exact same maps during the Obama wins, and he had significant electoral victories as well as a popular vote victory, the map looked exactly the same.

So my point is not to diminish Trump's victory because it's truly impressive. His electoral victory was solid. But do not believe for a minute that it indicates some kind of domination that represents a paradigm shift in thinking in this country. Trump won because he benefited from the backlash of a disgruntled nation who was tired of the status quo of politics. Hillary Clinton represented everything that people have grown tired of. Trump did an amazing job of tapping into that.

But if you believe the victory is so overwhelming that this pendulum can't swing back the other way in a single election cycle your confidence is misguided. So I'm not diminishing the solidness of the victory. I'm disputing the presentation of that victory as though it was so dominating that it represents a change in the way our country thinks. It doesn't.

 

[Walden Pond]

I still think Trump won because the ACORN buses wouldn't run for whitey.

 

[houston_herd_fan]

GK, I agree, if Trump does not turn things around then he will not prevail in 4 years. If he does we have an easy win. If he does not turn things around we are F@#ked as country, will eventually go the way of the roman empire in my opinion.

 

[extragreen]

GK, I agree, if Trump does not turn things around then he will not prevail in 4 years. If he does we have an easy win. If he does not turn things around we are F@#ked as country, will eventually go the way of the roman empire in my opinion.

What, exactly, is he supposed to turn around? Just so we will have a metric.

 

[andy4theherd]

What, exactly, is he supposed to turn around? Just so we will have a metric.

 

[andy4theherd]

What, exactly, is he supposed to turn around? Just so we will have a metric.

 

[andy4theherd]

What, exactly, is he supposed to turn around? Just so we will have a metric.

World Health Organization Ranking; The World’s Health Systems

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 USA

 

[andy4theherd]

What, exactly, is he supposed to turn around? Just so we will have a metric.

Real GDP Growth(percent change)
2014 2015 2016
Ireland 8.5 26.3 4.9
Ethiopia 10.3 10.2 6.5
Uzbekistan 8.1 8.0 6.0
India 7.2 7.6 7.6
Lao P.D.R. 7.5 7.6 7.5
Cambodia 7.1 7.0 7.0
Myanmar 8.7 7.0 8.1
Tanzania 7.0 7.0 7.2
Dominican Republic 7.3 7.0 5.9
Democratic Republic of the Congo 9.5 6.9 3.9
Rwanda 7.0 6.9 6.0
China 7.3 6.9 6.6
Bangladesh 6.3 6.8 6.9
Vietnam 6.0 6.7 6.1
Papua New Guinea 7.4 6.6 2.5
Mozambique 7.4 6.6 4.5
Djibouti 6.0 6.5 6.5
Turkmenistan 10.3 6.5 5.4
Senegal 4.3 6.5 6.6
Grenada 7.3 6.2 3.0
Malta 3.5 6.2 4.1
Tajikistan 6.7 6.0 6.0
Mali 7.0 6.0 5.3
Philippines 6.2 5.9 6.4
Cameroon 5.9 5.8 4.8
Panama 6.1 5.8 5.2
Seychelles 6.2 5.7 4.9
Kenya 5.3 5.6 6.0
Togo 5.4 5.4 5.3
Namibia 6.5 5.3 4.2
Bhutan 3.8 5.2 6.0
Malaysia 6.0 5.0 4.3
St. Kitts and Nevis 6.1 5.0 3.5
Benin 6.5 5.0 4.6
Nicaragua 4.6 4.9 4.5
Sudan 1.6 4.9 3.1
Bolivia 5.5 4.8 3.7
Luxembourg 4.1 4.8 3.5
Uganda 4.9 4.8 4.9
Central African Republic 1.0 4.8 5.2
Guinea-Bissau 2.5 4.8 4.8
Indonesia 5.0 4.8 4.9
Sri Lanka 4.9 4.8 5.0
Eritrea 5.0 4.8 3.7
Czech Republic 2.7 4.5 2.5
Morocco 2.6 4.5 1.8
The Gambia -0.2 4.4 2.3
Fiji 5.3 4.3 2.5
Egypt 2.2 4.2 3.8
Sweden 2.3 4.2 3.6
Guatemala 4.2 4.1 3.5
Pakistan 4.1 4.0 4.7
Burkina Faso 4.0 4.0 5.2
Gabon 4.3 4.0 3.2
Turkey 3.0 4.0 3.3
United Arab Emirates 3.1 4.0 2.3
Kosovo 1.2 4.0 4.1
Iceland 2.0 4.0 4.9
Algeria 3.8 3.9 3.6
Ghana 4.0 3.9 3.3
Romania 3.0 3.8 5.0
Costa Rica 3.0 3.7 4.3
FYR Macedonia 3.5 3.7 2.2
Qatar 4.0 3.7 2.6
Poland 3.3 3.7 3.1
Honduras 3.1 3.6 3.6
Slovak Republic 2.5 3.6 3.4
Niger 7.1 3.5 5.2
Mauritius 3.6 3.5 3.5
Kiribati 2.4 3.5 3.1
Saudi Arabia 3.6 3.5 1.2
Kyrgyz Republic 4.0 3.5 2.2
Tonga 2.9 3.4 2.7
Oman 2.9 3.3 1.8
Peru 2.4 3.3 3.7
Solomon Islands 2.0 3.3 3.0
Spain 1.4 3.2 3.1
Guyana 3.8 3.2 4.0
Montenegro 1.8 3.2 5.1
Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.1 3.2 3.0
Madagascar 3.3 3.1 4.1
Colombia 4.4 3.1 2.2
Paraguay 4.7 3.1 3.5
Armenia 3.6 3.0 3.2
Angola 4.8 3.0 0.0
Zambia 5.0 3.0 3.0
New Zealand 3.0 3.0 2.8
Bulgaria 1.5 3.0 3.0
Malawi 5.7 3.0 2.7
Hungary 3.7 2.9 2.0
Bahrain 4.4 2.9 2.1
Lesotho 3.4 2.8 2.4
Thailand 0.8 2.8 3.2
Georgia 4.6 2.8 3.4
Albania 1.8 2.8 3.4
Latvia 2.0 2.7 2.5
Nepal 6.0 2.7 0.6
Nigeria 6.3 2.7 -1.7
Tuvalu 2.2 2.6 4.0
Korea 3.3 2.6 2.7
United States 2.4 2.6 1.6

 

[andy4theherd]

What, exactly, is he supposed to turn around? Just so we will have a metric.

 

[andy4theherd]

What, exactly, is he supposed to turn around? Just so we will have a metric.

 

[extragreen]

Bwaaaaaahaha!! The majority of Americans don't trust trump. Good luck with that.

Favorable Ratings of Recent Presidents-Elect
Date Favorable Unfavorable
%
%
Donald Trump 2016 Nov 9-13 42 55
Barack Obama 2008 Nov 7-9 68 27
George W. Bush 2000 Dec 15-17 59 36
Bill Clinton 1992 Nov 10-11 58 35
GALLUP

 

[andy4theherd]

Bwaaaaaahaha!! The majority of Americans don't trust trump. Good luck with that.

Favorable Ratings of Recent Presidents-Elect
Date Favorable Unfavorable
%
%
Donald Trump 2016 Nov 9-13 42 55
Barack Obama 2008 Nov 7-9 68 27
George W. Bush 2000 Dec 15-17 59 36
Bill Clinton 1992 Nov 10-11 58 35
GALLUP

you asked, "What, exactly, is he supposed to turn around? Just so we will have a metric."

strawman?

 

[extragreen]

I'm sure that will improve when trump starts giving the police the military armored vehicles.

 

[andy4theherd]

I'm sure that will improve when trump starts giving the police the military armored vehicles.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/09/us/war-gear-flows-to-police-departments.html

only if he goes back in time, takes away said vehicles, then gives them back AFTER he's inaugurated...

for someone that uses "moron" a lot you sure are stupid...

 

[extragreen]

you asked, "What, exactly, is he supposed to turn around? Just so we will have a metric."

strawman?

It's a strawman to consider favorability ratings when pondering if the president elect will increase trust in government? Is there any argument to you that is not a strawman?

 

[extragreen]

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/09/us/war-gear-flows-to-police-departments.html

only if he goes back in time, takes away said vehicles, then gives them back AFTER he's inaugurated...

for someone that uses "moron" a lot you sure are stupid...

It's the best word to describe you. obama halted and is recalling much of those military apparatus. trump has promised the police he will rescind obamas order regarding that.

 

[andy4theherd]

It's the best word to describe you. obama halted and is recalling much of those military apparatus. trump has promised the police he will rescind obamas order regarding that.

so then you agree that they already have said vehicles thus confirming your dumbassedness?

 

[extragreen]

so then you agree that they already have said vehicles thus confirming your dumbassedness?

the military apparatus is being recalled because people on the left and right were concerned about the police having them. You don't understand that do you.

 

[andy4theherd]

the military apparatus is being recalled because people on the left and right were concerned about the police having them. You don't understand that do you.

you said, "I'm sure that will improve when trump starts giving the police the military armored vehicles."

i posted an article from 2014 citing an overwhelming amount of military vehicles and equipment already in use by the police.

you then try and argue (without any sources) that Obama is trying to recall these vehicles.

your entire argument is that the relationship/trust in police will go down or will not improve because Trump is going to give them military vehicles that they already have...

you should stick to arguing about Thetans

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Just to be clear, if we kick out the blacks (raising education scores, fixing the shit out of race relations, and fixing that trust the police issue) and nationalize health care (every nation rated higher than us has national health care) then we will be hunky dory? OK.

 

[herdfan429]

Just to be clear, if we kick out the blacks (raising education scores, fixing the shit out of race relations, and fixing that trust the police issue) and nationalize health care (every nation rated higher than us has national health care) then we will be hunky dory? OK.

You would want to go to Colombia for your healthcare? It is nationalized you know

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

You would want to go to Colombia for your healthcare? It is nationalized you know

As soon as you Trumpers go to Ethiopia for a job; look at that GDP growth!

 

[wisemaniac]

Still can't believe the Democrats ran Hillary

you said, "I'm sure that will improve when trump starts giving the police the military armored vehicles."

i posted an article from 2014 citing an overwhelming amount of military vehicles and equipment already in use by the police.

you then try and argue (without any sources) that Obama is trying to recall these vehicles.

your entire argument is that the relationship/trust in police will go down or will not improve because Trump is going to give them military vehicles that they already have...

you should stick to arguing about Thetans

I used to do the books on several MRAP vehicles. You'd be surprised how many of the older vehicles are given away or just plain left in areas of conflict. Considering the original HMWV's are death traps, I don't think we can get rid of them fast enough. And the Obama administration actually did take away a good number of those vehicles from police after Ferguson (the riots that started after libs bought into a false narrative.) Now, police are getting straight up murdered - probably be nice if they had those vehicles for protection.

 

[HerdFan76]

Nothing wrong with having MRAPs if used properly. Better to have and not need than need and not have.

 

[raleighherdfan]

Anyone actually believing the WHO rankings of Health Care systems is legit needs to actually visit Italian or Greek Hospitals. LMAO.

It wasn't long ago I posted the story where patients in the U.K.were drinking water out of flower vases because there were not enough nurses working on the floors to care for patients. It's even worse than that in Italy and Greece.

 

[19MU88]

Bwaaaaaahaha!! The majority of Americans don't trust trump. Good luck with that.

GALLUP

I haven't seen that kind of confidence since pre election night when you thought HRC was going to win. #dumbass

 

[extragreen]

I haven't seen that kind of confidence since pre election night when you thought HRC was going to win. #dumbass

You're a liar.

 

[ohio herd]

Bwaaaaaahaha!! The majority of Americans don't trust trump. Good luck with that.

Favorable Ratings of Recent Presidents-Elect
Date Favorable Unfavorable
%
%
Donald Trump 2016 Nov 9-13 42 55
Barack Obama 2008 Nov 7-9 68 27
George W. Bush 2000 Dec 15-17 59 36
Bill Clinton 1992 Nov 10-11 58 35
GALLUP

ha ha only lib snowflakes feel that way