Excuse me clown?
1. Has nothing to do with my comment. Point was it happened.
2. What haven't I said about the Biden / Harris admin?
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1. Has nothing to do with my comment. Point was it happened.
2. What haven't I said about the Biden / Harris admin?
You’ve wanted a war since day 1. It’s gotten us to this point.
It has everything to do with your comment jackass.
Trump had a peaceful Middle East until your beloved hamas and Iran fvcked it up under your boy bidens watch. And as for the second part of my comment let me try to explain it so you can understand. Biden couldn't dress or feed himself, unless it was ice cream, biden made Kamala defacto co president with his Biden Harris presidency. Hell Jill and crack head hunter showed up to joes meetings. You didn't say one word about any of them knowing their place so your opinion on Vance right now has no bearing on anything because of your silence the last four years when the same thing was happening
The “diplomacy” lefties and some repubs now want…is the US should take whatever we are handed and cave on demand.
Zelensky came into our house and attempted to tell us what we were going to do.
Uhhhh. Nope. That ship has sailed.
Uhhhh. Nope. That ship has sailed.
Zelensky turned down the deal in private prior to thar charade of events. He wanted a guarantee of US Security from a future US invasion. Trump said no. Zelensky had already angered Trump and Vance, SEC of State Rubio, and NSA Waltz. Rubio told Zelensky to get out. Then Waltz , a former Green Beret, was going yo throw him out. Went to VP and POTUS and he pissed in their cheerios.
Go pound sand ****er.
Go pound sand ****er.
I have wanted a war?
I could care less that Putin attacked Ukraine. They are not in NATO.
But.....
If we want it to stop, then we may have to take a more proactive approach.
Like...
No fly zone, giving Ukraine Nukes, or using USAF.
I guess you are slow. Biden is not my "Boy". I agree with the rest of what you said. Biden was not really in charge. I doubt it was Jill or Hunter though. I'm not sure where you get the "I was silent" part. Maybe you should review my messages over the last 4 years.
No fly zone for a country you supposedly don’t give a shit about?? Yeah. Makes total sense. 😂
Zelensky may already be back tracking according to zerohedge.
www.zerohedge.com
Zelenskyy 'Regrets' What Happened Today: Ukrainian Officials "Desperate" To Get Deal Back On Track After Oval Office Meltdown, Trump Not Interested | ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
www.zerohedge.com
Been a lot cheaper than 350 billion. If they were 100% convinced NATO was next, you had to stop them in Ukraine. Then stop them. Throwing money and weapons that we may ultimately need. Makes no sense.
Zalenski will/is bend/bending the knee already, just like everybody else.
I bet the anti trumpers are feeling pretty dumb about now.
I bet the anti trumpers are feeling pretty dumb about now.
This is what makes you left wingers look like idiots. Like I said earlier. Most had no idea what the total conversation was or how it played out in full. From the article linked above:
I watched the entire press conference with Zelensky. There was 40 minutes of discussion up to the argument. Most people saw at most the last ten minutes. The whole video gives the proper context.
When I first watched the argument without the proper context, I thought it was possible that Trump and Vance ambushed Zelensky or were even trying to humiliate him. That's not what happened.
You had 40 minutes of calm conversation. Vance made a point that didn't attack Zelensky and wasn't even addressed to him, and Zelensky clearly started the argument.
In the first 40 minutes, Zelensky kept trying to go beyond what was negotiated in the deal. When Trump was asked a question, it was always "we'll see." Zelensky made blanket assertions that there would be no negotiating with Putin, and that Russia would pay for the war. When Trump said that it was a tragedy that people on both sides were dying, Zelensky interjected that the Russians were the invaders.
For his part, Trump made clear that the US would continue delivering military aid. All Zelensky had to do was remain calm for a few more minutes and they would've signed a deal.
The argument started when Trump pointed out that it would be hard to make a deal if you talk about Putin the way Zelensky does. Vance interjects to make the reasonable point that Biden called Putin names and that didn't get us anywhere.
The Zelensky/Trump dynamic was calm and stable. It was when Vance spoke that Zelensky started to interrogate him. Throughout the press conference to that point, everyone was making their arguments directly to the audience. Zelensky decided to challenge Vance and ask him hostile questions. He went back to his point that Putin never sticks to ceasefires, once again implying that negotiations are pointless. Why on earth would you do this? Then came the fight we all saw.
Zelensky was minutes away from being home free, and he would have had the deal and new commitments from the Trump administration. The point Vance made was directed against Biden and the media, taking them to task for speaking in moralistic terms. This offended Zelensky, and that began the argument.
I've been a fan of Zelensky up to this point, but this showed so much incompetence, if not emotional instability, that I don't see how he recovers from this.
I watched the entire press conference with Zelensky. There was 40 minutes of discussion up to the argument. Most people saw at most the last ten minutes. The whole video gives the proper context.
When I first watched the argument without the proper context, I thought it was possible that Trump and Vance ambushed Zelensky or were even trying to humiliate him. That's not what happened.
You had 40 minutes of calm conversation. Vance made a point that didn't attack Zelensky and wasn't even addressed to him, and Zelensky clearly started the argument.
In the first 40 minutes, Zelensky kept trying to go beyond what was negotiated in the deal. When Trump was asked a question, it was always "we'll see." Zelensky made blanket assertions that there would be no negotiating with Putin, and that Russia would pay for the war. When Trump said that it was a tragedy that people on both sides were dying, Zelensky interjected that the Russians were the invaders.
For his part, Trump made clear that the US would continue delivering military aid. All Zelensky had to do was remain calm for a few more minutes and they would've signed a deal.
The argument started when Trump pointed out that it would be hard to make a deal if you talk about Putin the way Zelensky does. Vance interjects to make the reasonable point that Biden called Putin names and that didn't get us anywhere.
The Zelensky/Trump dynamic was calm and stable. It was when Vance spoke that Zelensky started to interrogate him. Throughout the press conference to that point, everyone was making their arguments directly to the audience. Zelensky decided to challenge Vance and ask him hostile questions. He went back to his point that Putin never sticks to ceasefires, once again implying that negotiations are pointless. Why on earth would you do this? Then came the fight we all saw.
Zelensky was minutes away from being home free, and he would have had the deal and new commitments from the Trump administration. The point Vance made was directed against Biden and the media, taking them to task for speaking in moralistic terms. This offended Zelensky, and that began the argument.
I've been a fan of Zelensky up to this point, but this showed so much incompetence, if not emotional instability, that I don't see how he recovers from this.
You're a stupid Godless lying idiot. Zelensky is more of a man than you'll ever be. Ever.
Vance is a squeamish little trump puppet with no idea what he's doing...and a coward.
Zelenskyy is the Lyndon Johnson of Ukraine. Not a very good war time leader amd putting your nation in a quagmire.
Stop, you will never give Trump credit for anything. You're a liberal in denial.
It's a winless war. I don't know why you liberal buffoons cannot get that through your heads. It's draining our resources and getting the world nowhere. It needs to end and if Putin goes against any agreed terms, then we will deal with it, but the alternative is a perpetual stalemate.
Hits close to home, huh?
Yup, those who will never be personally sent into battle, and never volunteer to go there to serve in any humanitarian role, will have this take on the situation.
It's a winless war and Trump has stated over and over he wants peace. You have to attempt to strike a deal between the two countries. There's no other viable solution.
Marco Rubio said in an interview with CNN that everything was set and the paperwork for agreement between the US and Ukraine could have easily been signed over there, but Zalensky insisted on coming to the US to do it. He (Zelensky) instigated the argument. He just didn't get the results he thought he would receive.
Where did I say I didn't agree with what trump said? I have an issue with how it was handled, knowing how it would be portrayed.
Same as always is... the right loved it and the left hated it. That's how you know it was good.
Their overlords at the MSM has told them that the Ukraine war is a good thing so they follow it blindly. Meanwhile in Ukraine they are snatching boys off the streets and sending to the front lines to die.
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