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Anybody still believe Bernie can win?

So, they're not supposed to represent the will of the people?
So you're not supposed to have any beliefs of your own. I have no problem with polling but to change positions as frequently as Hillary based off of polls is a little much. I mean just own up to the crime bill like pres Clinton did. own up to her time at state successes and failures because they were hers not because of how they poll
 
So, they're not supposed to represent the will of the people?

Most people want a major tax cut if you polled them. Or maybe even no taxes.

A lot of people would take a new car that is paid for.

Most people would agree Congress needs a pay cut.

What if most people wanted to reduce the military to some old rifles and no tanks or ships.

Is the President always going to go with the will of the people in terms on national defense?

What if a leader has to make an unpopular decision but it is the right decision?
 
Is the following question somehow toxic for conservatives?:

Are elected representatives supposed to represent the will of the people?
 
You're the one that said they should follow public opinion. Polling on Obama care has never been positive therefore it shouldn't be law based on your statement

Healthcare was the #2 priority for Democrats leading up to the 2008 election.
 
It's all about representing the majority culture in a national election. If you really want to change majority culture, running for president isn't a good way to make it happen.

This is what makes me wonder about Trump. He chose to play this game and sign up with a brand that has no chance of winning. The only reason I support him is at least he will be an unpleasant opposition to the majority culture. The rest of our tackling dummies would have just quietly slinked off into the night.

Trump's gonna lose in November, but he'll go down swinging. That's the best we can ask for in 2016.
 
Is the following question somehow toxic for conservatives?:

Are elected representatives supposed to represent the will of the people?

Not in all cases.
Duke mentioned the Senate. District Attorneys and Judges are sometimes elected. They have to follow the law. IE, don't give the bastard a fair trial and just hang him out front. The majority may want that but that is not the way it works.

POTUS is to make decisions on the interest of the nation and security. Those positions are not always popular.


So. No not always. Don't be stupid. Leaders sometimes have to make hard unpopular decisions.

Also, the USA is a representative republic not a democracy. The people don't make policy by majority.
 
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Well, yehhh don't disagree there but I think you are missing the point.

No. I'm not. This is a democracy, it's not a direct democracy, but still a democracy. And the elected officials are expected to represent the will of the people. The elected officials often attempt to sway their constituents and many times with good intention, but if they fail to sway and don't listen, they stand to be replaced.
 
Fail to sway, that's the Republicans' big problem. How do you convince people that our way is the best? Probably would have to make a deal that if we have a more favorable business climate, we will raise welfare checks and be so happy that we won't even mind the gays and freaks.
 
Fail to sway, that's the Republicans' big problem. How do you convince people that our way is the best? Probably would have to make a deal that if we have a more favorable business climate, we will raise welfare checks and be so happy that we won't even mind the gays and freaks.


Our way is work for what you get.

The other way is let's hand out a bunch of free shi* and be jealous of the "man".

I give the Democrats one thing they have built up a good base of voters(future and present) by giving away free shi*.
 
Go figure. Greed doesn't understand that America isn't a democracy.

That's why it's important to at least graduate from high school. Who knows, maybe he did, but they didn't teach that in Wayne co.
 
Our way is work for what you get. AND THE LESS YOU GET, THE BETTER.

The other way is let's hand out a bunch of free shi* and be jealous of the "man". WE SHOULD GIVE MORE FREE STUFF TO THE WEALTHY AND BLAME IT ON THE POOR.

I give the Democrats one thing they have built up a good base of voters(future and present) by giving away free shi*. NEVERMIND THAT MORE FREE STUFF IS GIVEN TO THE WEALTHY THAN THE POOR.
 
Our way is work for what you get. AND THE LESS YOU GET, THE BETTER.

The other way is let's hand out a bunch of free shi* and be jealous of the "man". WE SHOULD GIVE MORE FREE STUFF TO THE WEALTHY AND BLAME IT ON THE POOR.

I give the Democrats one thing they have built up a good base of voters(future and present) by giving away free shi*. NEVERMIND THAT MORE FREE STUFF IS GIVEN TO THE WEALTHY THAN THE POOR.

It's because the wealthy actually pay for that "free" shit through the tax code. The poor don't pay taxes. The rich do.

Do you give cabinets to people who don't pay you?
 
It's because the wealthy actually pay for that "free" shit through the tax code. The poor don't pay taxes. The rich do.

Do you give cabinets to people who don't pay you?

The "rich" also give more to charities than the poor.
 
The "rich" also give more to charities than the poor.

As a total, yes. But as a % of their income, no. And the wealthy don't help the poor as much as you think. Wealthy contributors tend to give to universities and the arts.
 
As a total, yes. But as a % of their income, no. And the wealthy don't help the poor as much as you think. Wealthy contributors tend to give to universities and the arts.

Poor people pay 0% of their income towards "income taxes" which fund the freebies.

So its poor people funding the millions of charitable non profit foundations and organizations around this country? Greed's ignorance knows, no bounds.
 
As a total, yes. But as a % of their income, no. And the wealthy don't help the poor as much as you think. Wealthy contributors tend to give to universities and the arts.
So poor people don't benefit from universities or the arts?
 
Explain how giving to universities helps poor put food on the table, buy clothes, and pay the utilities they need right now........
 
THE LESS YOU GET, THE BETTER.

Hell yeah. I want less. Money is aggravating really. Sitting around trying to come up with ways to waste it. Worrying about how Chapman's wouldn't help me over e-mail pre-plan my funeral to avoid stupid relatives just burning me up and flushing me down a toilet.

If it was clear as day that all I'm qualified to do is clean toilets for $7.25, I'd go apply at every place in Flatwoods and think I just won the lottery.
 
Explain how giving to universities helps poor put food on the table, buy clothes, and pay the utilities they need right now........
You really need someone to explain how education can help people? and complain to Obama about paying utilities. He's the one that said they need to necessarily double
 
Best way to help the poor is tell them how stupid they are for wanting to act rich. That's their problem. They want stuff that costs money, but don't want to do what it takes to get the money.

Good food, electronics, cable, cars, cell phones, kids, wives, lives. That stuff costs money. You can't just sit there and wish on a damn star and it shows up.

Either learn how to get the money or learn to do without.

But you need to make sure you can't get the money, because if you learn to do without and then get it, you're stuck wondering what the hell to do with it. Doing without is a hell of a rush. I'd rather get a deal than get taken.
 
You really need someone to explain how education can help people? and complain to Obama about paying utilities. He's the one that said they need to necessarily double


"Explain how giving to universities helps poor put food on the table, buy clothes, and pay the utilities they need right now........"
 
Explain how donating to universities doesn't help poor people. It was your statement
 
Explain how donating to universities doesn't help poor people. It was your statement

"Explain how giving to universities helps poor put food on the table, buy clothes, and pay the utilities they need ******{(right now)}******........"

Seriously, can you not comprehend what you read or are you just falling back into the liar mode?
 
Biggest % of gifts by the wealthy usually goes to Healthcare related charities. Yes....that helps the poor RIGHT NOW.
 
As a total, yes. But as a % of their income, no. And the wealthy don't help the poor as much as you think. Wealthy contributors tend to give to universities and the arts.
This is what you said moron. You are the one changing your argument mid stream. It's the only thing you can do
 
This is what you said moron. You are the one changing your argument mid stream. It's the only thing you can do

No, I'm not changing anything, nitwit. You are. I didn't say the wealthy don't help the poor, I said the wealthy don't help the poor AS MUCH AS YOU THINK. I'll give you an example that you won't be able to understand, just to say I tried. About 20% of college students from the lowest income bracket completed a bachelor’s degree by age 24. Among students from top-earning families, meanwhile, 99% of students who enrolled completed their degrees.
 
Holy cow, these people can't even feed themselves? Is that for real? They need someone else to put food on their table?

I call bullshit. Hell, I can't even roll a ball down a lane and I can put food on my table. Well, on my 2/3 of a couch anyway while I'm watching Lester Holt try to scare me.
 
No, I'm not changing anything, nitwit. You are. I didn't say the wealthy don't help the poor, I said the wealthy don't help the poor AS MUCH AS YOU THINK. I'll give you an example that you won't be able to understand, just to say I tried. About 20% of college students from the lowest income bracket completed a bachelor’s degree by age 24. Among students from top-earning families, meanwhile, 99% of students who enrolled completed their degrees.
Your example has nothing to do with charity and yes I know how you will say I am wrong
 
My example illustrates my point that charitable donations don't help the poor as much as you think. Only 1/3rd of charitable donations target the poor. Of that 1/3rd, only 2.9% of it goes toward scholarships to help the poor.
 
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