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How do you know they wouldnt beat OK or OSU. For a fan of Marshall who saw what we went through with lack of respect for so many years, i dont quite understand this way of thinking.
Oklahoma and Ohio State get to get UP for every game they play every week. Cincy, like we were in the MAC typically plays crap teams on the road in front of 100 people, or crap teams at home that come in with nothing to lose.
The goal in football is simple. Score one more point than your opponent.
Oklahoma and Ohio State get to get UP for every game they play every week. Cincy, like we were in the MAC typically plays crap teams on the road in front of 100 people, or crap teams at home that come in with nothing to lose.
The goal in football is simple. Score one more point than your opponent.
Good for them. Every team in the top 10 has struggled at times this year. Do you see Alabama slipping for a close game against a not so good LSU? Ohio State struggled with a mediocre at best Nebraska. Georgia barely beat a bad Clemson team this season.
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If they go undefeated they deserve to be in the playoff. I disagree with the original posters assessment.
Your lack of insight comes as no surprise. What do you think the college football playoff poll is based upon, just whether or not you win? Even the BCS calculations included many other factors than just what was in the W-L column.
Ohio Herd brings up a good point. Historically, barely beating inferior teams would cost you in ranking.
No they don't. Jeebus, you've been spending too much time arguing with Greed. It's skewing your judgement.
sorry herdman but that assessment just cost you my vote in this weeks Moderators poll, LOL
just for the record I am not saying they don't have a good team. I am saying if you are barely beating Navy and Tulsa you have no business getting in a 4 team playoff over schools who are playing in the SEC or Big 10. Cincy needed to win big this year and crush the schedule. They aren't doing that so that's a BIG NO from me
In this particular year, I think they do.
There are a few scenarios that will play out, assuming no major upsets.
Alabama is going to have to run the table and then beat Georgia in the SEC championship. Bama loses they are out. If they win out and beat Georgia and Georgia runs the table and loses to Bama then they are both in. Alabama just struggled with a less than decent LSU team at home.
Big 10. Michigan State just lost to Purdue. Ohio State vs Michigan is an eliminator game.
Oklahoma is barely getting by every team they play it seems.
Oregon beats Ohio State then lays an egg against Stanford.
Note Dame-any more deserving? Oh wait, they lost to Cincy.
So you could have the SEC only getting one team. ACC gets nothing. Big 10? Probably 1. Oklahoma if they can win out. Notre Dame? They lost to Cincy
How do you keep them out, especially if Alabama loses?
There are a few scenarios that will play out, assuming no major upsets.
Alabama is going to have to run the table and then beat Georgia in the SEC championship. Bama loses they are out. If they win out and beat Georgia and Georgia runs the table and loses to Bama then they are both in. Alabama just struggled with a less than decent LSU team at home.
Big 10. Michigan State just lost to Purdue. Ohio State vs Michigan is an eliminator game.
Oklahoma is barely getting by every team they play it seems.
Oregon beats Ohio State then lays an egg against Stanford.
Note Dame-any more deserving? Oh wait, they lost to Cincy.
So you could have the SEC only getting one team. ACC gets nothing. Big 10? Probably 1. Oklahoma if they can win out. Notre Dame? They lost to Cincy
How do you keep them out, especially if Alabama loses?
How is Alabama ranked so high. They have struggled to beat the teams on their schedule and lost to the best team they have played.
Cincy struggling against teams they're supposed to roll, is the reason they're not likely to make the CFP.
The AAC doesn't carry enough weight for UC to be given exceptions.
Thats why Alabama is able to move ahead despite they having close wins...the SEC is seen as very competitive (and it is).
Good news for UC, they'll likely get a ranked Houston team in the AAC title game.
The AAC doesn't carry enough weight for UC to be given exceptions.
Thats why Alabama is able to move ahead despite they having close wins...the SEC is seen as very competitive (and it is).
Good news for UC, they'll likely get a ranked Houston team in the AAC title game.
I don't know how the WVSSAC ratings actually work but it would be interesting to see how that would play out in CFB. It would probably eliminate any team below a P5. The system is based on a point system with P5s earning 3 points for a win over another P5, 2 pts for beating a G5, etc. And then you get bonus points if your defeated opponent is a winner. It's complicated but very fair.
The AAC is just not the same as the major conferences. Neither was the MAC in 99.
The difference is the focus of evil in the sports world, ESPN, used these playoffs as an answer to a question no one was asking.
You play your season, at your level. You have a good season and the reward is a bowl. A nice reward.
Season over, New Year’s Day, newspaper tells us who is the “national champion” the next day, not that that is the center of it all, and everybody else isn’t a POS.
Problem solved.
The difference is the focus of evil in the sports world, ESPN, used these playoffs as an answer to a question no one was asking.
You play your season, at your level. You have a good season and the reward is a bowl. A nice reward.
Season over, New Year’s Day, newspaper tells us who is the “national champion” the next day, not that that is the center of it all, and everybody else isn’t a POS.
Problem solved.
I think Cincy is deserving if for no other fact, if it was MU in the same position we would be screaming for them to be in. You play who you play. IMO, I would love to see the G5 break away and do a 16 team playoff. If a team is ranked high enough to get an access bowl and they want to go that route, so be it. Let the others play for a G5 championship.
Ohio State struggled against a sorry Nebraska team. Why are they ranked so high?
Oregon struggled to beat a sorry Washington team. Why are they ranked so high?
Michigan State struggled to beat a sorry Nebraska & Indiana team, while being curb stomped by Purdue. Where should they be ranked?
Oklahoma needed a miracle play by their freshman QB to beat Kansas. They also struggled against Nebraska, wvu, & Tulane. Why are they ranked so high?
You can play this game with everyone except Georgia. But for some reason this game only gets played with G5 teams. It’s really disappointing when fans of other G5 programs fall for it.
Oregon struggled to beat a sorry Washington team. Why are they ranked so high?
Michigan State struggled to beat a sorry Nebraska & Indiana team, while being curb stomped by Purdue. Where should they be ranked?
Oklahoma needed a miracle play by their freshman QB to beat Kansas. They also struggled against Nebraska, wvu, & Tulane. Why are they ranked so high?
You can play this game with everyone except Georgia. But for some reason this game only gets played with G5 teams. It’s really disappointing when fans of other G5 programs fall for it.
In the last 4 years Cincinnati has only played 4 P5 teams with a winning record. They are 1-3 in those games including a 42-0 loss to Ohio State.
Any team can pull out a win in a given week. Holding up through 12 games, with only a few gimmes, is a different story. If Cincinnati beat Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State or any good team from the Big 10 it would be considered a good to great win for the program. Beating them all, week after week, wouldn’t happen.
Purdue beating Michigan State doesn’t prove MSU isn’t really that good, it proves how hard it is to be up and consistent when you have to do it every week. Cincy will have a distinct talent advantage in 10 of their 12’games, enough of an advantage that execution becomes secondary. In the Big 10 they would have that advantage 5-6 times in 12 games.
Any team can pull out a win in a given week. Holding up through 12 games, with only a few gimmes, is a different story. If Cincinnati beat Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State or any good team from the Big 10 it would be considered a good to great win for the program. Beating them all, week after week, wouldn’t happen.
Purdue beating Michigan State doesn’t prove MSU isn’t really that good, it proves how hard it is to be up and consistent when you have to do it every week. Cincy will have a distinct talent advantage in 10 of their 12’games, enough of an advantage that execution becomes secondary. In the Big 10 they would have that advantage 5-6 times in 12 games.
In any sport, you are either in the top division, or you are not. And the number of people who care about secondary divisions are limited to their fanbases, and friends and family of the players. Oh, you might get 15 seconds of “Northwest Utah State won the Division II championship” in the media, but that is it.
You know what a “G5 playoff is” ? It is I-AA in all but name.
No thanks.
And a “national championship”, which would be in addition to the real one, I-AA/FCS, DII, DIII, NAIA, and several other religious and junior college ones, contested among only 70 schools isn’t even enough schools to matter.
WV system is a unique case, in my opinion. The top division of football at the high school level in WV is so small it would be hard to do and the level from top to bottom in AAA in WV is vast. There just aren't very many AAA teams for example.
Already done this, as you mentioned. The CFP Rankings don't come out until week 4. But you can't stop the media from ranking the teams earlier. Hell, there's probably a poll out already for next season.
I just think this is a rare case that helps UC. Georgia appears to be the one dominate team so far. The others have had losses or multiple losses.
…and Georgia only scored 10 on an average Clemson team. Everyone will have “bad” games. At the end of the day, a win is a win is a win though. Cincy deserves to be in. https://fbschedules.com/clemson-football-schedule/
just curious. If Cincy played in the Big 10 what do yo think their record would be playing home and home against the following 4 teams. Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State and Penn State? How bout playing Alabama, Georgia, Texas A&M and Ole Miss? Maybe 1-3 in either conference. You see it is one thing to win a big game (ND) but to do it every week is where the challenge is. The SEC is 37-7 OOC, the Big is 33-9. The American is 22-19. Like I said earlier I am not saying they don't have a good team, just they are not close to being in the 4 team playoff discussion.
Cincy is hoping for a miracle, and this year they just might get it.
It doesn't matter how they do it, if they end up undefeated they will be in the top-4 discussion... They will need some help (but they have already gotten some help).
1. The ACC is garbage this year -- Normally a playoff stalwart, the ACC will not have a team in the top 4. Wake Forest losing to UNC put an end to that.
2. The PAC-12 is mostly garbage -- Cincy just needs somebody, anybody, to upset Oregon and the PAC-12 gets no one in the final four.
3. Georgia looks like the 85 Bears -- If UGA blows out Bama in the SEC championship game the Tide will not make the playoffs.
That scenario would net you --
1. Georgia
2. Big10 Champ (Ohio State)
3. Big12 Champ (Oklahoma)
4. Cincy
It doesn't matter how they do it, if they end up undefeated they will be in the top-4 discussion... They will need some help (but they have already gotten some help).
1. The ACC is garbage this year -- Normally a playoff stalwart, the ACC will not have a team in the top 4. Wake Forest losing to UNC put an end to that.
2. The PAC-12 is mostly garbage -- Cincy just needs somebody, anybody, to upset Oregon and the PAC-12 gets no one in the final four.
3. Georgia looks like the 85 Bears -- If UGA blows out Bama in the SEC championship game the Tide will not make the playoffs.
That scenario would net you --
1. Georgia
2. Big10 Champ (Ohio State)
3. Big12 Champ (Oklahoma)
4. Cincy
Cincinnati could go 3-1 against those B10/SEC teams you listed. Ole Miss was a 1TD favorite at home against Liberty. A&M are 3pt favorites @Ole Miss. Alabama is very good as always, but they have holes. Georgia will dominate anyone as long as they don’t have one of those games where they shoot themselves in the foot with turnovers & penalties. But Georgia is in the East & those other programs are in the west. You’ll have to decide which side Cincinnati would play in with this game of make believe.
Penn State lost to Illinois. Don’t think Cincinnati could beat them? Michigan has played 1 ranked team & lost. Do we know how good they are? Michigan State needed OT to beat Nebraska at home, gave up 31 to WKU, and 40 to Purdue. Cincinnati couldn’t beat them? Ohio State is like Alabama. Damn good with some holes.
Why couldn’t Cincinnati go 3-1 vs those teams?
Not sure what to say except I would believe that the same day I saw an elephant sitting in a redwood tree.
0-4, no game closer than 10 points.
0-4, every game a 30 point beatdown.
We have had this discussion forever. There is not one player on Cincinnati’s team that has not had many dozens (not just the 8 above, but many more) put his arm around him and say “son, you are a heck of a ball player, but you just don’t have what it takes to play in the SEC (ACC, Big 10). We had that discussion relative to UCF idiotic claim to a “national championship”. Back in the day, we argued with the fixated upon us Spamites about White or Smith or any of their mid-major level players, and, in a year or two, the same spew will resume as the Big 12 3.0 returns USPAM to mid-major level.
I have always used what I call the “Kentucky Rule”. What would X school do if it played Kentucky’s schedule? (Kentucky being, most years, a bottom to mediocre SEC East school). Cincinnati comes out about 6-6 this year.
It Just Means More.
So basically you’re claiming The ap and coaches poll don’t influence the cfp poll and I call complete bullshit on that. No poll should come out prior to week four
This year is different. You don't have Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, and Georgia as all slobberknockers. Georgia is the closest thing so far. The last several years you have had 3 to 5 great teams. Not this year.
I guarantee you Ohio State and Alabama wouldn't barely beat Navy and Tulsa. Think about it, we pounded Navy and there is no way we would beat Ohio State or Alabama. For that reason and others I say UC is not close to sniffing a 4 team playoff invite. Want to run with the big dogs you have to win all your games against poor teams in a convincing fashion. They have a solid team and deserve a NYD6 game but that is all.
Exactly. Not that long ago, this wouldn’t have been a problem. Cincinnati, at 12-0, would have gone to a great bowl game. Probably the best bowl game they have ever, or will ever, go to. Great. Meanwhile, the Georgia Bulldogs would win the Sugar Bowl, the traditional home of the SEC champions, and be declared “national champions”. Lots of team could think they had a good year, lots would think they had accomplished something.
Now, thank to ESPN, the focus of evil in the sports world, one team will win, everybody else will be a loser and a POS, and some mid-major, again, will claim its being “discriminated against” or some such nonsense.
The playoffs. Like the BcS, an answer to a question no one asked, and a solution of a problem that did not exist.
Now, thank to ESPN, the focus of evil in the sports world, one team will win, everybody else will be a loser and a POS, and some mid-major, again, will claim its being “discriminated against” or some such nonsense.
The playoffs. Like the BcS, an answer to a question no one asked, and a solution of a problem that did not exist.
Alabama had 6 yards rushing vs lsu. No way usc would only have 6 yards rushing vs lsu
