Bernie cuts staffers’ hours to maintain $15/hour wage

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

Yes, you make more per hour, but the company can only afford to pay you a certain amount, therefore, your hours are cut, so you're right back where you started.

You aren't right back where you started. Previously, you were stuck with that salary with no ability, due to time, to earn income elsewhere. Now, when your hours are cut by 17+ hours per week, you get to make the same money and have 17+ additional hour per week for other income opportunities.

That's a huge win for these employees.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

And will somebody, please, try to explain how BC is correct in saying that Sanders took these employees from non-exempt to exempt status?

 

[19MU88]

Jesus Christ. Who would read that novel or the consecutive post immediately after?

 

[WV-FAN]

I am a villain on this board;

wtf, you binge watch the batman movies or some other juvenile super hero cartoon series over the weekend? that's twice (that i've read, anyhoo) i've noticed you've called yourself that today. did you do a self high five when typing that the first time?

 

[ohio herd]

That's $2.00 per hour less buying power than the minimum wage in 1968. Mighty thoughtful of you.

true but I used 1984 as a baseline when the wage was 3.35 an hour. Thus taking into account inflation in 1984 3.35 would be 17,178 in today's dollars annually. So by my calculation, they are doing better at 20,800 annually at 10 an hour. Please tell me why 1968 is a better year?
Heres something to think about, 1968 adjusted for inflation is around 24,000 per year. At 15 an hour that is around 30,000. There is no way the economy can handle that big of an increase in a short amount of time.

 

[muthed]

Exactly. If your hours are cut just one hour per day, yet you still make the same salary, you’re looking at about 1.5 months of saved work time.

Now, you have an additional 1.5 months of reduced work which allows for another job or anything else you want to do with it.

Your employer would be meeting you more than halfway. Same money for less work.

Working one less hour per day will not let you seek other employment. You can't bank that hour and come up with 1.5 months of free time to seek other employment.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

Working one less hour per day will not let you seek other employment. You can't bank that hour and come up with 1.5 months of free time to seek other employment.

An average of one hour per day.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

that's twice (that i've read, anyhoo) i've noticed you've called yourself that today.

I didn't call myself that twice today. I called myself that once yesterday afternoon and then once today. That is one yesterday and one today.

Now, you may have read today that I called myself twice that recently, but you didn't read that I called myself that twice today. Writing and counting - learn it.

 

[WV-FAN]

I didn't call myself that twice today. I called myself that once yesterday afternoon and then once today. That is one yesterday and one today.

Now, you may have read today that I called myself twice that recently, but you didn't read that I called myself that twice today. Writing and counting - learn it.

bless yore heart. another one . . .

 

[big_country90]

No, I dropped it because I like you, think you're a good person, and didn't want to be a dick. But, fine, let's play.

I am a villain on this board; nobody disputes that. But even the most absurd, obsessed poster on here won't argue that you're more intelligent than I am overall. It's not even close, and it would take an absolute fool for even the person who despises me the most to argue otherwise.

Are you more "intelligent" when it comes to filing loan paperwork for a customer? Sure. But overall in intelligence, this isn't even a topic any reasonable person will entertain.

I'll make this easy:

IS THERE A SINGLE PERSON ON HERE WHO BELIEVES, OVERALL, THAT BC IS MORE INTELLIGENT THAN I AM?

For "far, far more experienced" . . . you've lived in the same tiny state your entire life. Your parents have lived in the same small state most of their entire lives (if not all of it). Hell, your grandparents probably lived in that same small state their entire lives. You've spent most of your life in just one region in that already tiny state. That tiny state is one of the least diverse areas of the country. You've worked in the exact same industry with the exact same company for your entire working career. You married the girl you started dating around 18 years old who also presumably spent her entire life in that same small region which is your only long term relationship.

None of these things are a knock on you, but they are simply to show that you have one single experience in every major aspect of your life. When you talk about somebody who is experienced in life, you look at who they were raised by, where they have lived, what work they have done, their closest relationships . . .

Your experience has been extremely insular in that there has been one of just everything: one state, one region, one long term relationship, one career industry, one employer, one education, etc.

Have you watched the most recent season of Last Chance U that was released a few days ago? In one of the last episodes, the father of one of the players discusses something . . . he also played at Independence CC. He then moved back close to the same small area where he grew up. He has a nice house, what appears to be some fun toys, appears to have a solid job, and appears to have a loving family. By all accounts, he has a solid and successful life. But in the episode, he discusses his dreams for his son, the one playing at the JUCO. He claims that he (the father) frequently ponders how his life would have been different had he "accepted that New Mexico State offer" when he was playing, how he wished he had moved away from home for once, and how he still considers it since he has had one experience his entire life. He didn't want his son to leave the house for his own selfish reasons, but he also doesn't want his son to come live in that region for the rest of his life like he did. He talked about how, after his son's schooling/playing career, he would urge him to go live on the beach for a few years, go to Vegas to be a card dealer for a couple of years, go experience life and all of the different people and places that are out there.

And that isn't to say that anything you have done is wrong. But your life experience is very limited. Now, let's compare those things of your experiences to me:

I've lived in two different parts of a diverse, east coast state for 18 years. I then lived in a very different type of rural state for four years. I then lived in a major west coast city for two summers. I then lived in wealthy, major suburbs for five years. I then lived downtown in a major city for four years. I then lived for 2.5 months in a major European city. I then lived in a major college city for a year followed by three years on the beach. I then lived in a city of about 120,000 people but that was located in the middle of nowhere in West Texas. I then lived for two years in another major college town that was 25 minutes from the 11th largest city in the country, 40 minutes from the 7th largest city in the country, but yet has a house a few blocks away with a horse and two rams in its yard, a house a mile away that raises kangaroos, and a body farm of 200+ corpses a few miles away.

And then let's look at specifically what I lived in: a modest house in a middle-class neighborhood; small, luxury condos in small buildings; small ultra-luxury condo in a huge building; an expensive but average townhouse in a small neighborhood; a large but average condo on the beach; a very modest apartment complex; a very modest hotel for a year; a modest house in a modest neighborhood. My living location experiences haven't just been extremely diverse in the regions I have lived, but the actual closeness (or lack thereof) of many people has been diverse.

Now, let's look at careers . . . instead of working in just one industry for one company my entire life, I have worked in five unique industries for five companies in extremely different positions . . . and that doesn't count being a high school summer school English teacher one summer while in college. I have had fairly long stints in one position in one industry (6 years) all of the way to short stints (1.5 years) in another. I have worked those positions all over the country. Again, my experiences have been vastly different and far more than simply working in one industry for one company my entire life.

Now, if you'd like, we can compare the far higher positions comment, but that would mean I have to reveal your position/title, and I wouldn't do that without your allowance.

You defend communists, socialists and vote democrat. That alone shows I’m more intelligent.

“Filing loan paperwork for a customer?” This one could go under “intelligence” and “experience” both... and really does show your ignorance. You may think you know what I do, but you obviously don’t. I really don’t like to build myself up or sound like I’m bragging, but I’m a Senior Vice President for what will soon be (in about two months) the 6th largest financial institution in the entire country. You have bragged about running an entire division for the limousine company. Well guess what… I run an entire division for a much, much larger company. If we are being generous, your former employer may have been valued at $20 million when you worked there. Mine is about to be $500 billion after the merger, and is currently about $230 billion. While you were at the limousine company, the market I managed was 5-6 times the size of your employer’s entire company. The division I manage now is around $300 million. I manage/concern myself with a multitude of financial services. To suggest that I’m a loan officer (not that there is anything wrong with that), again, just shows your ignorance and that you truly have no idea what you’re talking about.

How many people have you hired and/or fired over the years? I guarantee you I have a multitude more experience in this area than you.

Do you have any experience in financial planning? Merchant services? Commercial insurance? Health insurance? Life insurance? Treasury services? Payroll services? Employee benefits? Retirement and institutional services? Corporate cards? Purchasing cards? I have a depth of knowledge in all those areas, and I didn’t even mention loans or deposits.

How many children are you raising? Oh...none? So you have no experience there. I have two. Yet another area where I’m far more experienced than you.

Have you ever been in the delivery room when a child was born? I have been twice. That’s an experience which is simply immeasurable.

Ever had to rush one of those kids to the ER? No? I have.

How about marriage? Another area where you have no experience whatsoever. I’ve been married 13 years. Again… Experience which cannot be measured. Any married person will agree.

Ever been with someone while they die? I have, on more than one occasion.

Ever foreclosed on someone? Ever saved someone from foreclosure? Business or personal residence? I’ve done both many times.

I have been to the Bahamas, Aruba, Curaçao, Grand Turk (that auto corrected to Carl Hungus’ real name, by the way, which is hilarious if you think about it), Grand Cayman, Jamaica, Cozumel Mexico, and will soon be going to Cozumel again, along with Costa Maya Mexico, Belize, and Honduras. But none of those count because, in Riflearm’s eyes, I’m not spending enough time there to matter. Right?

I spend a lot of time in several of the east coast’s largest cities (Pittsburgh, Charlotte, and Orlando, among others) multiple times per year. But that’s nothing too, right?

To suggest that your intelligence or life experience is any greater than mine, much less “far, far greater” than mine, is ridiculous on every level. To suggest you have held “far, far higher” positions than me is even more ridiculous.

Different experiences don’t equate to “greater” experiences. Someone of such high intelligence would know that.

 

[extragreen]

Please tell me why 1968 is a better year?

Because 1968 min wage at $1.60 adjusted for inflation is now $12.02. Anything less than $12.02 is still worse than it was in 1968.

At 15 an hour that is around 30,000. There is no way the economy can handle that big of an increase in a short amount of time.

Why not? The minimum wage was nearly doubled overnight in 1950 and by 150% in a 6 year period 1950 to 1956. And somehow the economy managed to survive.

 

[WV-FAN]

You defend communists, socialists and vote democrat. That alone shows I’m more intelligent.

“Filing loan paperwork for a customer?” This one could go under “intelligence” and “experience” both... and really does show your ignorance. You may think you know what I do, but you obviously don’t. I really don’t like to build myself up or sound like I’m bragging, but I’m a Senior Vice President for what will soon be (in about two months) the 6th largest financial institution in the entire country. You have bragged about running an entire division for the limousine company. Well guess what… I run an entire division for a much, much larger company. If we are being generous, your former employer may have been valued at $20 million when you worked there. Mine is about to be $500 billion after the merger, and is currently about $230 billion. While you were at the limousine company, the market I managed was 5-6 times the size of your employer’s entire company. The division I manage now is around $300 million. I manage/concern myself with a multitude of financial services. To suggest that I’m a loan officer (not that there is anything wrong with that), again, just shows your ignorance and that you truly have no idea what you’re talking about.

How many people have you hired and/or fired over the years? I guarantee you I have a multitude more experience in this area than you.

Do you have any experience in financial planning? Merchant services? Commercial insurance? Health insurance? Life insurance? Treasury services? Payroll services? Employee benefits? Retirement and institutional services? Corporate cards? Purchasing cards? I have a depth of knowledge in all those areas, and I didn’t even mention loans or deposits.

How many children are you raising? Oh...none? So you have no experience there. I have two. Yet another area where I’m far more experienced than you.

Have you ever been in the delivery room when a child was born? I have been twice. That’s an experience which is simply immeasurable.

Ever had to rush one of those kids to the ER? No? I have.

How about marriage? Another area where you have no experience whatsoever. I’ve been married 13 years. Again… Experience which cannot be measured. Any married person will agree.

Ever been with someone while they die? I have, on more than one occasion.

Ever foreclosed on someone? Ever saved someone from foreclosure? Business or personal residence? I’ve done both many times.

I have been to the Bahamas, Aruba, Curaçao, Grand Turk (that auto corrected to Carl Hungus’ real name, by the way, which is hilarious if you think about it), Grand Cayman, Jamaica, Cozumel Mexico, and will soon be going to Cozumel again, along with Costa Maya Mexico, Belize, and Honduras. But none of those count because, in Riflearm’s eyes, I’m not spending enough time there to matter. Right?

I spend a lot of time in several of the east coast’s largest cities (Pittsburgh, Charlotte, and Orlando, among others) multiple times per year. But that’s nothing too, right?

To suggest that your intelligence or life experience is any greater than mine, much less “far, far greater” than mine, is ridiculous on every level. To suggest you have held “far, far higher” positions than me is even more ridiculous.

Different experiences don’t equate to “greater” experiences. Someone of such high intelligence would know that.

awww, hell no, you didn't . . . this could bring on the largest diatribe in the history of the interweb. crash servers nationwide type shit.

 

[big_country90]

awww, hell no, you didn't . . . this could bring on the largest diatribe in the history of the interweb. crash servers nationwide type shit.

I’ll be watching wrestling. It is the Raw reunion show, after all.

 

[ohio herd]

Because 1968 min wage at $1.60 adjusted for inflation is now $12.02. Anything less than $12.02 is still worse than it was in 1968.



Why not? The minimum wage was nearly doubled overnight in 1950 and by 150% in a 6 year period 1950 to 1956. And somehow the economy managed to survive.

so are you in favor of 12.02 or 15?

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

He is saving money by not actually paying an hourly wage. And that can be quantified. But instead, he set them at a salary, worked them like slaves until he was called out for it, and then had to cut hours in order to keep them at a salary and not a true hourly wage. Paying them hourly would have cost him a ton of money if he kept them working those hours, and you know it.

You failed to answer my question, as they were salaried and have always been salaried. The employees signed on to be salary. Hourly never was an option, no matter how well you can twist it to dodge my question (not very well, really).

Again I ask you, exactly how is he saving money paying them the exact same wage and benefits? If anything, could this possibly cost the campaign money if they have to hire on some more workers to pick up the work from the hours cut?

BTW, all campaigns work their staff like slaves. It's accepted because people think they are getting their foot in the door in politics, but only a few will. They will now work fewer hours but still work like dogs. And Sanders and a few others are paying interns...which is unheard of.

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

"... their complaint was about "barely being able to survive financially" on their current pay."

If they cannot live on $36k a year, especially in fvcking Iowa, they need to cut back their alcohol and weed budgets.

 

[big_country90]

You failed to answer my question, as they were salaried and have always been salaried. The employees signed on to be salary. Hourly never was an option, no matter how well you can twist it to dodge my question (not very well, really).

Again I ask you, exactly how is he saving money paying them the exact same wage and benefits? If anything, could this possibly cost the campaign money if they have to hire on some more workers to pick up the work from the hours cut?

BTW, all campaigns work their staff like slaves. It's accepted because people think they are getting their foot in the door in politics, but only a few will. They will now work fewer hours but still work like dogs. And Sanders and a few others are paying interns...which is unheard of.

Based on their complaints, Bernie’s only two options were to pay them for all those extra hours or cut their hours. He chose to cut their hours. This really isn’t hard to understand.

 

[extragreen]

so are you in favor of 12.02 or 15?

$15

 

[Raoul Duke MU]

Based on their complaints, Bernie’s only two options were to pay them for all those extra hours or cut their hours. He chose to cut their hours. This really isn’t hard to understand.

It is really hard to understand why you cannot tell me how paying them the exact same salary and benefits is saving the campaign money.

Other options were to pay them more, fvck them up the ass and pay them less for bitching, or fire them all and replace them with part-timers (a favorite tactic of corporate America).

 

[-CarlHungus-]

If they cannot live on $36k a year, especially in fvcking Iowa, they need to cut back their alcohol and weed budgets.

Avocado toast and single origin pour over coffee.*

*i love these things too

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

“Filing loan paperwork for a customer?” This one could go under “intelligence” and “experience” both... and really does show your ignorance. You may think you know what I do, but you obviously don’t.

Jesus, this is why having a reasonable discussion with you is such a huge waste of time. You simply fail miserably at reading comprehension. I was using an example of a banking practice to state something which should be obvious to most but is clearly not you: yes, you would have more intelligence on specific practices done at a bank (for instance, loan paperwork for a customer) since that is your occupation, but overall, it the intelligence comparison isn't even close. My comment wasn't that your job or only role was filing loan paperwork. Christ.

but I’m a Senior Vice President for what will soon be (in about two months) the 6th largest financial institution in the entire country.

Stop. There are dozens upon dozens upon dozens of "Senior Vice Presidents" at BB&T. Hell, there are dozens upon dozens of Senior Vice Presidents in your exact role alone. The Senior Vice President role includes people with simply a Bachelor's from an HBCU and seven years of banking experience. There is nothing "senior" about it, and there are hundreds of vice presidents. In fact, the overwhelming majority of "Senior Vice Presidents" have just Bachelor's degrees from, at best, state schools.

That's not to say those positions aren't rewarded well or have some authority, but it's a position anything breathing with a Bachelor's will receive as long as they are a company man and stay with the same bank for a decade.

Do you have any experience in financial planning? Merchant services? Commercial insurance? Health insurance? Life insurance? Treasury services? Payroll services? Employee benefits? Retirement and institutional services? Corporate cards? Purchasing cards? I have a depth of knowledge in all those areas, and I didn’t even mention loans or deposits.

.

You're reinforcing my point. You have experience/intelligence in one single industry. That's my entire point. Everything has been "one" in your life - living in one small area, one relationship, one company, one industry, one school, etc. You have experience in banking. Outside of that? None. By showing your intelligence/experience in just one industry, you are doing nothing but reinforcing my point.

How many children are you raising? Oh...none? So you have no experience there. I have two. Yet another area where I’m far more experienced than you.

Yes, raising children is an experience. I don't have that experience. There's one for you.

Have you ever been in the delivery room when a child was born? I have been twice. That’s an experience which is simply immeasurable.

That's like saying "I won a sports championship, so I am more experienced." It's a single incident. Raising a child? A life experience. Watching a baby being born? No.

How about marriage? Another area where you have no experience whatsoever. I’ve been married 13 years. Again… Experience which cannot be measured. Any married person will agree.

Yes, we've gone over this. You've had one serious relationship in your entire life. You married the girl you met at age 18 (if not earlier). That's the epitome of small-town living. That's reinforcing my point again. One relationship your entire life.

Compare that to having dated at least five girls for 2+ years each. You simply cannot compare having one relationship your entire life to having dated dozens of girls, let alone many of them for long periods of time.

Further, your one relationship is somebody with your exact background. Again, there is no experience; everything is homologous.

I have been to the Bahamas, Aruba, Curaçao, Grand Turk (that auto corrected to Carl Hungus’ real name, by the way, which is hilarious if you think about it), Grand Cayman, Jamaica, Cozumel Mexico, and will soon be going to Cozumel again, along with Costa Maya Mexico, Belize, and Honduras. But none of those count because, in Riflearm’s eyes, I’m not spending enough time there to matter. Right?
.

If somebody can't understand how being on a beach in a country for 6 hours until their boat leaves isn't the same as living someplace for years, then that person doesn't have the ability to understand anything I can explain.

I spend a lot of time in several of the east coast’s largest cities (Pittsburgh, Charlotte, and Orlando, among others) multiple times per year. But that’s nothing too, right?

Stop. It's getting pathetic to even respond to these things. A truck driver from Greenup, Kentucky may drive to Charlotte twice a week, but that doesn't mean he has ever lived there or has any experience of living in a city and around diverse people.

To suggest that your intelligence or life experience is any greater than mine, much less “far, far greater” than mine, is ridiculous on every level.

How can you say that your have had a more experienced life than I have? Can you seriously say that with a straight face? Again, your family has all lived in one small region. Everyone in your family is of one race and of one religion. You have had one relationship to a person who also has lived in that one small region. You have worked for one industry for one company all in that same one small region. You have gone to one school which was also in that one small region.

And that is just the foundation. We are on completely different ends of the spectrum with our experiences on those things, and frankly, those are most of the biggest factors in an experienced life - your family and their background, the places you have lived, the places/kind of work, religion/race. Again, completely different ends of the spectrum in those biggest factors of life experiences.

To suggest you have held “far, far higher” positions than me is even more ridiculous.

Again, stop. Your position is shared by dozens of others. In my positions, without spending too much time thinking about it, I have met with:

CEO of Gannett/USA Today
CEO of Mars, Inc.
CEO of Marriott International
CEO/Founder of Under Armour (more than once)
Countless managing partners of major law firms (all of whom make multi-millions)
Owner of the Washington Capitals/Washington Wizards
President of the Washington Nationals (more than once)
CEO of Washington Hospital Center
CEO of Roc Nation
Chairman and CEO of Epic Records
CEO of Motown Records

And I am sure many others if I took more than two minutes thinking about it.

I don't know how many of the hundreds of senior vice presidents of BB&T have meetings with executives that high of those major companies, but I'm sure they all do on a weekly basis.

 

[raleighherdfan]

If they cannot live on $36k a year, especially in fvcking Iowa, they need to cut back their alcohol and weed budgets.

Not my fvcking problem. Take it up with the resident Scientologist and his other cult like leader...Berrrrrnie, who normally preaches otherwise.

 

[extragreen]

Not my fvcking problem. Take it up with the resident Scientologist and his other cult like leader...Berrrrrnie, who normally preaches otherwise.

Is Iowa one of many places where 99.9% of all retail workers are part timers? idiot

 

[raleighherdfan]

Why not? The minimum wage was nearly doubled overnight in 1950 and by 150% in a 6 year period 1950 to 1956. And somehow the economy managed to survive.

You mean "survived" by going through 3 recessions and seeing unemployment going from ~2.9% to ~6.9% from 1949 to 1961??

 

[big_country90]

Hell, there are dozens upon dozens of Senior Vice Presidents in your exact role alone

Absolutely, positively, 100% false. There are only 3-4 other people in my role that are Senior Vice Presidents. How on earth you can pretend to know otherwise shows you’re simply making things up.

The Senior Vice President role includes people with simply a Bachelor's from an HBCU and seven years of banking experience

Another completely untrue statement.

That's not to say those positions aren't rewarded well or have some authority, but it's a position anything breathing with a Bachelor's will receive as long as they are a company man and stay with the same bank for a decade

Again...100% false on so many levels.

If somebody can't understand how being on a beach in a country for 6 hours until their boat leaves isn't the same as living someplace for years, then that person doesn't have the ability to understand anything I can explain

I’ve never said it was. Another example of you making things up. I simply pointed out how you continually dismiss it.

How can you say that your have had a more experienced life than I have? Can you seriously say that with a straight face?

Where did I ever say that? Geez rifle, is your reading comprehension that bad or are you simply continuing to lie? I’m not arguing that I have had a more experienced life than you. I’ve never once said nor implied that. I’m arguing that you do not have a “far, far” more experienced life than me. Try to keep up.

I’m not setting out to belittle your accomplishments with the company you worked for, but since you brought it up, you’re really not even in the same ballpark as me. Not on the same level at all. Apples to oranges. Sorry...that’s just a fact. The one section of WV I managed while you worked at that tiny company is 5-6 times greater in size than that entire company. Now, I manage an entire division that is far greater than even that. You’re the equivalent of someone claiming the title of president of a small bank, when they would simply be a branch manager at any moderate sized institution. You couldn’t do what I do, just like I couldn’t sell weed to rappers.

 

[raleighherdfan]

More proof I am a hypocrite

Speaking of part time to no time.....how quickly would you have gone to no employees, had you actually paid your staff 36k/year and healthcare benefits?

Its amazing when you look at this. You actually constructed and sold products, and still refused to grow the business sufficiently to provide for staff. Bernie creates nothing but campaign promises, sells nothing but bullshit to rubes ("sales" appear down this election cycle though) and still is able to pay 36k with benefits.

 

[extragreen]

You mean "survived" by going through 3 recessions and seeing unemployment going from ~2.9% to ~6.9% from 1949 to 1961??

In Dec of 1949 the unemployment rate was 6.6%. When the minimum wage increase nearly doubled in March of 1950, the rate was 6.3%. The rate went on a downward trend until June of 1953 when it hit 2.5% and didn't get back to 6.3 until Feb 1958. None of the 3 recessions had ANYTHING to do with increased minimum wage.

 

[extragreen]

Not only am I an idiot, I'm a liar....watch me prove it.

 

[Y.A.G Si Ye Nots]

Absolutely, positively, 100% false. There are only 3-4 other people in my role that are Senior Vice Presidents. How on earth you can pretend to know otherwise shows you’re simply making things up.

Gayle C is a Senior Vice President/Small Business Leader in a region in Georgia.
Bernita B has the same title in the DC region.
Tracie D has the same title out of Luray, Virginia
Beth M has the same title out of Harrisburg
Jim F has the same title out of Allentown
Rochelle S has the same title out of Raleigh
Stacey C has the same title out of Atlanta
Eduardo E has the same title out of Miami
Darryl M has the same title out of Estero, FL

I can keep going if you want. Do you really think, as big as BB&T is, that they would have just four in your position and have one based in Hurricane fvcking West Virginia and Luray fvcking Virginia? If they only had four, they would have them in much bigger markets for them. Hurricane isn't one of them.

Another completely untrue statement.

No, it's not.

Gayle C is a Senior Vice President/Small Business Leader. She graduated with a Bachelor's from Georgia in 2006, her highest degree, and started working at BB&T in 2007. Eight years later, she was a senior vice president.

Bernita B's highest degree is a Bachelor's from an HBCU. She became a senior VP after four years at BB&T.

Eduardo's highest degree is a Bachelor's from FIU.

Rochelle's highest degree is a Bachelor's from Cal State Fullerton. She has 150 indirect reports over the 25 branches she is a Senior Vice President/Small Business Leader for.

Scott P's highest degree is a Bachelor's from William & Mary. @Herdon2 once told all of us how bad W&M's academics were, but nobody listened to him because he is a deplorable.

Stacey C just received her Bachelor's from Campbell in 2012, and she is already a senior VP/Small Business Leader.

Again...100% false on so many levels.

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Well, you may be right on this one. It appears that a lot of senior vice presidents have been at the company far less than ten years.

I’ve never said it was. Another example of you making things up. I simply pointed out how you continually dismiss it.
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Of course I continually dismiss it. Spending six hours on the beach full of tourists a mile from the boat you just got off of doesn't result in somebody having lived in a country, been around different cultures, etc.

The fact that you keep bringing those excursions up as an argument of not having lived in the same small region your whole life is baffling.

Where did I ever say that? Geez rifle, is your reading comprehension that bad or are you simply continuing to lie? I’m not arguing that I have had a more experienced life than you. I’ve never once said nor implied that. I’m arguing that you do not have a “far, far” more experienced life than me. Try to keep up.

Then, argue against that. Having watched a baby being born doesn't quite add up to make the vast differences any closer. Your homogeneous life doesn't make you a bad person, doesn't make you unsuccessful, etc. If that makes you happy, then dammit, who gives a shit. My mom is nearing 70 and has lived in three places her entire life (excluding college). She lived in the house she grew up in as a child, the place she lived in after college until I was in middle school, then the house she has lived in for the last 25+ years. Three houses in three different cities over nearly 70 years isn't very many. I have tried guilt-tripping her into coming on trips with me to other countries, and she has no desire. Family is coming to stay with me this week, and I believe it will be just the fifth plane round trip she has ever been on (Hawaii, Florida once, Texas twice, LA with me). She is contemplating getting a place on the beach in Florida, but she just stays at my place now, so she doesn't need to. She is extremely content lounging in her pool every day and has no desire to go anywhere else. She retired on the very first year she was eligible so it's not a time or financial issue. She is just most happy in her own little bubble. And there's nothing wrong with that, but she isn't foolish enough to claim she has had more experiences in life than I have . . . and she has had more than you in terms of varied experiences.

To argue that you haven't had far less experiences and a far less experienced life when you have had the singular things I mentioned on so many major aspects of your life is absurd.

I’m not setting out to belittle your accomplishments with the company you worked for, but since you brought it up, you’re really not even in the same ballpark as me. Not on the same level at all. Apples to oranges. Sorry...that’s just a fact. The one section of WV I managed while you worked at that tiny company is 5-6 times greater in size than that entire company. Now, I manage an entire division that is far greater than even that. You’re the equivalent of someone claiming the title of president of a small bank, when they would simply be a branch manager at any moderate sized institution. You couldn’t do what I do, just like I couldn’t sell weed to rappers.

Nobody is arguing that BB&T isn't a far, far bigger company. But we both know banking margins are just a little bit smaller than service/product oriented margins.

Let's compare my colleagues - the four other partners/directors - with one of the dozens (yes, there are dozens) of senior VPs are BB&T.

Our Director of Finance/CFO had previously been the CFO for a company that owned over 70 franchises (Dominoes, KFCs, etc.). I'm sure he did well there, but he left for higher pay. Ten years ago, while I was there, he made over $200,000. The Director of Human Resources wasn't far behind. If they somehow had the banking experience to be offered one of the dozens of senior VP positions, they would turn it down. Why? Because 1) they make far more where they are now 2) they are big fish in a medium pond instead of being small fish in an ocean. Every single director/partner while I was there had been employed there for many years before me. Eight years later, they are all still there (other than the majority partner who just sold out).

You couldn’t do what I do, just like I couldn’t sell weed to rappers.

I don't have the banking experience to do what you do. But if I had a Bachelor's from an HBCU and five or six years of experience at BB&T, I'd be hired into that position.

And we are leaving out a huge portion of the equation: What company did you start that had $800,000 of revenue it its first full year? What company did you start that had over $2 million in year two? What company did you start that doubled from year two to year three in revenue at that amount? That success allowed me to leave a $150,000 job and quit doing anything that I didn't want to do, and being one of dozens of senior VPs at BB&T doesn't come close to any of that.

 

[extragreen]

Well ^^^^kaaaaa-boooooom

 

[Dreh_Nagi_HC_IM]

Being totally an impartial guy, based on what I've read for the last several years, I have to side with BC being more intelligent than Rifle. Even though BC laid out the facts to support his argument, one only has to view Rifle's decision making when it comes to women to know he's not very smart. For example, there's 150,000,000 plus women in this great country of ours, but yet, Rifle confesses to traveling across the country to 'hook up' with some other dude's woman, fearing that he may get shot. That alone should tell you just how intelligent Rifle is. Rifle is simply google smart.

BC is more intelligent to Rifle, and again, that's from an impartial source.

 

[raleighherdfan]

What we have positively determined from this thread is that Bernie is indeed a better "employer" than Greed was, and Bernie doesn't even own a real business.

 

[raleighherdfan]

150% in a 6 year period 1950 to 1956.

In Dec of 1949 the unemployment rate was 6.6%. When the minimum wage increase nearly doubled in March of 1950, the rate was 6.3%..... didn't get back to 6.3 until Feb 1958. And returned to 6.6% by 1960.(I intentionally left this out)

But hey..the poor guys who lost their jobs "survived". All was well.

 

[extragreen]

List of things I've learned:
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[extragreen]

I think lots of people lose their jobs when the unemployment rate falls from 6.3% to 2.5%.I told you to watch and I'd show you I'm an idiot and liar.

 

[big_country90]

Gayle C is a Senior Vice President/Small Business Leader in a region in Georgia
Bernita B has the same title in the DC region
Tracie D has the same title out of Luray, Virginia
Beth M has the same title out of Harrisburg
Jim F has the same title out of Allentown
Rochelle S has the same title out of Raleigh
Stacey C has the same title out of Atlanta
Eduardo E has the same title out of Miami
Darryl M has the same title out of Estero, FL

This is embarrassing for you. Once again, you’re showing your utter ignorance.

Out of the names you mentioned, only two work in the same role as me. Two of those don’t even work at our bank, and the rest are in a completely different role and have never worked in my role. That’s an absolute fact.

Let's compare my colleagues - the four other partners/directors - with one of the dozens (yes, there are dozens) of senior VPs are BB&T

“Dozens”of Senior VP’s? Gee, you think? There are over 37,000+ employees. To be one of “dozens” is pretty good, wouldn’t you agree?

Furthermore, there are only 18-20 people that do my job at the bank, nationwide...out of 37,000+ people. And only a handful of those 18-20 people are Senior VP’s.

So just stop. You’re looking like a fool because you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. I hate coming across as bragging so let’s just agree that you’re full of it and move on.

 

[muthed]

What we have positively determined from this thread is that Bernie is indeed a better "employer" than Greed was, and Bernie doesn't even own a real business.

No, what we have determined from this thread is that when God made yags he broke the mold 'cause nobody else could stack up against his credentials.

 

[mlblack16.]

No, what we have determined from this thread is that when God made yags he broke the mold 'cause nobody else could stack up against his credentials.

Well, he doesn't believe in God, so prepare yourself for a rebuttal from him.

 

[19MU88]

This is embarrassing for you. Once again, you’re showing your utter ignorance.

Out of the names you mentioned, only two work in the same role as me. Two of those don’t even work at our bank, and the rest are in a completely different role and have never worked in my role. That’s an absolute fact.



“Dozens”of Senior VP’s? Gee, you think? There are over 37,000+ employees. To be one of “dozens” is pretty good, wouldn’t you agree?

Furthermore, there are only 18-20 people that do my job at the bank, nationwide...out of 37,000+ people. And only a handful of those 18-20 people are Senior VP’s.

So just stop. You’re looking like a fool because you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. I hate coming across as bragging so let’s just agree that you’re full of it and move on.

Did you say YAGS is showing his utter ignorance? And looking like a fool?? How can that be?

 

[raleighherdfan]

No, what we have determined from this thread is that when God made yags he broke the mold

Not really. There are countless numbers of individuals like yags skimming the earnings of real artists while claiming credit or mythical skills.

What you don't see everyday is a socialist politician like Bernie, actually performing one of the pillars in his platform (he must know his presidential run is all but finished), while one of his liberal "business owner" supporters looks to only offer excuses as to why he refused to do the same.