Chicago-area Tesla charging stations lined with dead cars in freezing cold: 'A bunch of dead robots out here'
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That's why EV's will take years to fully make an impact on the auto industry. Until the charging grid is established, especially out west and upper midwest, gas powered and hybrids will continue to rule.
As a Tesla owner, if I weren't able to charge my car at home, I wouldn't have bought it. Plain and simple. My car has been a champ the last few days and actually better than my old Nissan Titan in the snow and ice. I've come out the last two mornings to a clear, warm vehicle with 100% charge.
I'll just say it again: if you don't have home charging ability, you buy an electric vehicle, and you live in an environment where the weather gets this severe then you're an idiot.
I'll just say it again: if you don't have home charging ability, you buy an electric vehicle, and you live in an environment where the weather gets this severe then you're an idiot.
Almost 40% of Americans don’t own a home and it’s hard to run an extension cord out the window of your 12th floor condo (the length of the cord would keep it from delivering enough current anyway and it would likely be immediately stolen for copper). Yet another reason EV mandates are stupid.
It’s not about choosing to own an EV, it’s about Biden wanting to force you to own one when they aren’t close to being practical for about 80% of the population.
Here's an example of this morning's commute for me. I used the equivalent of 9 miles of range for the 6.2 mile drive. Given a "full tank" the range for this drive would be 207 miles with the factory EPA range being 279 miles or about a 25% loss from perfect conditions.
Knowing this about my vehicle, I would then feel comfortable going about 175 miles before needing a charge. In newer Tesla's with the heat pump, the battery drain is about 2% per hour with the heat set at 65 degrees F.
So what does all this data tell me? It tells me that too many people either didn't home charge or do not have access to home charging. It also tells me that too many people waited til their battery was too low before attempting to charge. It also tells me that too many people bought the wrong vehicle for their needs. Just like I wouldn't buy a rear wheel drive car living in Minnesota or buy a Ford Raptor living in downtown LA/NYC. People do those things, but must be prepared for the inconveniences faced.
Bottom Line: Sowing FUD
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This. EVs are good for city commuters who have access to charge at home or apartment complex. Long commutes in winter or summer or for long trips, we aren’t there yet.
What if one wants to travel more than 300 miles as well? EVs aren't for you. Government needs to keep its nose out and let the private market progress. Right now, people (the majority) don't want these damned things. Too expensive and too inconvenient.
Do you take it on long trips? 300-800 miles? I could see me having one for a work car and short commutes (100-200 miles roundtrip)
It’s that big of a drive for you to get to Lions Den and back home?
No one is mandating EVs.
Biden is not forcing you to buy an EV. You can run on down to Ram dealer and get a TRX that gets 12 mpg on a good day.
Then buy ICE.
Before we moved I was at first glance a good candidate for an EV. Mainly used my car to go to and from work, could install a charger at home if I wanted to, had the wife's ICE SUV for long trips, which we frequently take. But I also get wild hairs up my ass and decide to take my little car on long day trips if my wife has plans without me; I'll pile in the dogs and hit a state park 200 miles away while rowing gears in a most inefficient manner lol. So EV was in reality a no-go. Unless I had the space for a third weekend fun ICE car, which I didn't and still don't. But now I travel a lot for work, so no ICE without that third fun car.
Buy smart.
We haven't taken it on any trips yet. To be honest, if I was driving to Disney World or something I would prefer to take my wife's Honda Odyssey. I do plan to take it to Pigeon Forge in June, though.
I bought it for precisely what you said: a work/commuter car. I drive about 20 miles a day tops roundtrip and then the kids have sports/dance/music classes 3x a week. My Titan was so inefficient (12mpg on a good day) that it made it difficult to use in those circumstances so we were piling miles on the Odyssey to the tune of 18-20k miles a year. Now, we use the Tesla for all those trips around town and the Odyssey only gets used when my wife takes the kids to school in the morning and picks them up in the afternoon.
In deciding on the purchase, the key factor was the amount of money we would save. My Titan was out of warranty, having multiple issues that likely would need repair, and needed new tires and brakes. Plus, I wasn't really using it for truck purposes other than a couple times a month. So not only did I save the money I would have had to sunk into the Titan, but I also save substantially on fuel costs (was paying $90 a week in gasoline vs ~$30 more a month on electric bill), and I have no maintenance except for tires. Do I agree with the federal tax refund? No, not really. It shouldn't be the governments place. However, I also don't think it was the government's place to do the auto bailouts a decade or two ago. If they are there, however, I'm stupid not to take advantage of it.
What does it all boil down to? I bought this car to save money, not save the world.
I don't think much of Pedo-Joe either, but I wouldn't consider him no one. He and his administration are definitely mandating EVs.
LINK: "With the mandates they are putting in place, they are forcing the consumer to buy something that they don't want,"
A coalition of more than 3,000 auto dealers nationwide is sending an open letter to Pedo-Joe, calling on him to "tap the brakes" on his administration's aggressive electric vehicle (EV) push.
The coalition — which includes dealers located in all 50 states and who collectively sell every major car brand — is taking particular aim at the pedo administration's tailpipe emissions standards released earlier this year which are the most aggressive federal regulations of their kind ever issued. Under the regulations proposed by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the majority of new vehicle purchases will be electric within a decade.
"These vehicles are ideal for many people, and we believe their appeal will grow over time," the dealers wrote in their letter to Pedo-Joe on Tuesday. "The reality, however, is that electric vehicle demand today is not keeping up with the large influx of BEVs [battery electric vehicles] arriving at our dealerships prompted by the current regulations. BEVs are stacking up on our lots."
"Last year, there was a lot of hope and hype about EVs," the letter continued. "Early adopters formed an initial line and were ready to buy these vehicles as soon as we had them to sell. But that enthusiasm has stalled. Today, the supply of unsold BEVs is surging, as they are not selling nearly as fast as they are arriving at our dealerships -- even with deep price cuts, manufacturer incentives, and generous government incentives."
They added that, while the goals of the EPA regulations are admirable, they are also "unrealistic based on current and forecasted customer demand." The dealers further noted that the best indicator of customer demand in the auto marketplace is how EVs are stacking up in their lots.
The letter further noted that there are many issues facing the EV industry such as lacking charging infrastructure, energy grid instability and a lack of reliable mineral supplies vital for EV batteries.
"Mr. President, it is time to tap the brakes on the unrealistic government electric vehicle mandate. Allow time for the battery technology to advance. Allow time to make BEVs more affordable. Allow time to develop domestic sources for the minerals to make batteries," the letter stated.
"Allow time for the charging infrastructure to be built and prove reliable. And most of all, allow time for the American consumer to get comfortable with the technology and make the choice to buy an electric vehicle."
The EPA's tailpipe regulations, which were unveiled in a joint announcement with the White House in April, will impact car model years 2027 through 2032 and are designed to improve air quality and reduce U.S. greenhouse gas emissions. According to the White House, under the regulations, 67% of new sedan, crossover, SUV and light truck purchases, up to 50% of bus and garbage truck purchases, 35% of short-haul freight tractor purchases, and 25% of long-haul freight tractor purchases could be electric by 2032.
Pedo-Joe previously set a goal of ensuring 50% of car purchases are electric by 2030. The White House said the rules would provide a "clear pathway for a continued rise in EV sales."
"With the mandates they are putting in place, they are forcing the consumer to buy something that they don't want," said Tom Maoli — one of the letter's signatories and the founder of New Jersey-based auto group Celebrity Motor Cars which operates multiple dealerships — in an interview with Fox News Digital. "Consumers are not buying into the electric vehicle market right now because the infrastructure is not there, they're concerned about the range and it's 20 to 30% higher to buy the vehicle."
"Even with the incentives that the manufacturers are offering, and that the government is offering, consumers just don't want to buy it," he continued. "The president needs to back off on mandates and allow the river to take its course. EVs will survive, they'll be a part of the marketplace. But they have to let the consumer decide which vehicle they want, how they're going to get their families around and where they're going to spend their money."
Gas-powered cars represented 93% of all new car sales in 2022, according to a report from the Alliance for Automotive Innovation. And EVs remain far more expensive and less efficient than alternatives. In addition, experts have warned that switching too quickly to EVs may present a national security risk given China's dominance of the global EV industry.
According to the International Energy Agency (IEA), for example, China produces about 75% of all lithium-ion batteries, a key component of EVs, worldwide. The nation also boasts 70% of production capacity for cathodes and 85% for anodes, two key parts of such batteries.
In addition, more than 50% of lithium, cobalt and graphite processing and refining capacity is located in China, the IEA data showed. Those three critical minerals, in addition to copper and nickel, are vital for EV batteries and other green energy technologies. Chinese investment firms have also been aggressive in purchasing stakes in African mines in recent years to ensure a firm control over mineral production.
"Pedo-Joe is investing in a future that is made in America by American workers as we position the United States to lead the clean energy future," a White House spokesperson said in a statement to FOX Business. "Pedonomics is growing the domestic EV and EV charging industry — creating good-paying union jobs in manufacturing and installation, lowering energy costs for hardworking families, improving air quality, and building the economy from the middle out and the bottom up."
"More Americans are buying EVs every day — with EV sales rising faster than traditional gas-powered cars — as the pedophile’s Inflation Reduction Act makes EVs more affordable and helps Americans save money when driving," the statement added.
Just drove by the Ford dealer, holy shit no EVs for sale!
That's the government. They can buy whatever they want, it doesn't apply to you. And I guarantee it won't happen by 2035. Typical looking good (or bad, in your opinion) by promising shit that will not happen.
