Coker Biden found guilty on all counts in gun crime trial
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If you followed the case & read the defense's closing arguments, anything short of conviction rightfully would have raised eyebrows. The jury understood they weren't deciding punishment, just if Hunter committed the crimes. It's always funny to me when attorneys argue other attorneys don't understand simple paperwork. They made Hunter Biden out to be Frozen Caveman Lawyer (R.I.P. Phil Hartman).
Defense attorneys are just trying to make enough lemonade for one juror, but Hunter Biden literally built an airtight case against himself. This result of this trial shouldn't be a surprise - it's like 5% of it. It's the sentencing part that actually matters.
Defense attorneys are just trying to make enough lemonade for one juror, but Hunter Biden literally built an airtight case against himself. This result of this trial shouldn't be a surprise - it's like 5% of it. It's the sentencing part that actually matters.
This case was pretty open and shut. If his dad was not POTUS his lawyers would have worked a plea deal and said go serve your 6 months to 1 year in a moderate to minor security federal pen.
Mush will pardon him after the election. And actually I'm okay with that.
Agreed. It's not like he killed anyone and he only hurt himself. Most fathers in the same position would pardon him. I know I would.
I'm ignorant on this, but what will he pardon him from? Probation?
No way he gets jail time (I doubt a normal non famous person gets fail for this, correct?).
No way he gets jail time (I doubt a normal non famous person gets fail for this, correct?).
Appeals & other challenges will tie this thing up for a while. Hunter has a completely unrelated criminal case starting in September. I think Joe's just waiting to see how many more convictions Hunter stacks up before he lets the nepo-pardons roll.
I get that, but from a practical standpoint (and the political capital), is it worth it to pardon him? It's not like he'll be wasting away in a jail cell.
Hunter Biden's conviction on a firearms charge is the ultimate diversion.
The DOJ let the statute of limitations expire on his most serious tax charges, concealed evidence of the Bidens' foreign bribery allegations, and attempted to grant Hunter a favorable deal with broad immunity.
David Weiss avoided pursuing the serious tax charges and FARA violations because these would expose his father's questionable business dealings.
The DOJ let the statute of limitations expire on his most serious tax charges, concealed evidence of the Bidens' foreign bribery allegations, and attempted to grant Hunter a favorable deal with broad immunity.
David Weiss avoided pursuing the serious tax charges and FARA violations because these would expose his father's questionable business dealings.
Known drug user lying on a federal form? That's felony and up to 10 years.
You and I would likely face time. Also being a known drug user he endangered other people including children.
Straight from Joe Biden's ATF site:
Federal Prosecutors Aggressively Pursuing Those Who Lie in Connection With Firearm Transactions
OKLAHOMA CITY — The Western District of Oklahoma is aggressively seeking to keep firearms out of the wrong hands by pursuing those who lie in connection with gun purchases. Several recent cases charged in federal court highlight these efforts.Federal law prohibits knowingly making any false statement in connection with purchasing, or attempting to purchase, a firearm. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) requires prospective firearm buyers to complete ATF Form 4473. This Form requires buyers to answer several questions, including those about the buyer’s competency, criminal history, drug use, immigration status, and history with domestic violence. Applicants who knowingly make false statements may also face criminal prosecution for a felony and up to 10 years in federal prison. Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs), who sell or transfer a firearm to a prohibited person, allow a straw purchaser to buy a gun for someone else, or fail to keep proper records of who they sell firearms to may also face criminal prosecution. Before attempting to purchase a firearm, prospective buyers who have eligibility concerns should visit www.atf.gov or contact their local ATF field office.
"Keeping guns out of the hands of those who shouldn’t have them is of paramount concern," said U.S. Attorney Robert J. Troester. "We will use the tools available to us to pursue those who use a straw purchaser or lie when trying to buy a gun. We will continue to work closely with ATF and our law enforcement partners to prevent guns from falling into the wrong hands by holding accountable those who lie to get them."
"ATF and its’ partners work tirelessly to keep firearms out of the hands of those who should not have them. There is no higher priority than protecting our citizens and their loved ones from firearms violence. The lesson learned here is that if you buy a gun for someone that shouldn’t have one, you will go to prison. And trust me, prison is not somewhere you want to be," stated ATF Dallas Field Division Special Agent in Charge Jeffrey C. Boshek II.
The following recent cases brought in federal court are examples of efforts in the Western District to hold defendants accountable for making false statements in connection with the attempted purchase or purchase of a firearm or related offenses:
Sentencings:
- AMY CARWILE, 46, and KEVIN CARWILE, 48, both of Purcell, Oklahoma, were sentenced on August 3, 2022, to serve three months in federal prison. According to public record, the Carwiles were engaged in the business of selling firearms, and dating back to 2012, they made false statements and failed to maintain proper records in connection with their firearm business. Transaction records indicate that the Carwiles had sold approximately 253 firearms through their off-the-books operation. Records further reflect law enforcement seized 112 firearms that were to be sold without completing the appropriate and required paperwork. Their federal firearms license to sell firearms has been revoked.
- EDDIE WAYNE MORRISON, 34 of Duncan, Oklahoma, was sentenced to time-served, or essentially 16 months in federal custody, on December 29, 2022, for making a false statement during the purchase of a firearm. According to public record, Morrison purchased a firearm from EZ Pawn in Duncan. Prior to purchasing a firearm, Morrison had been deemed incompetent by a court. He was also subject to a protective order in Love County. A judge had ordered Morrison detained in federal custody since August 12, 2021, until sentencing. He is currently serving a term of two years of supervised release.
- HERIBERTO FLORES, 29, of Oklahoma City, pleaded guilty on April 5, 2022, to illegal possession of ammunition as a convicted felon. According to public record, Flores was at an Oklahoma City Fairgrounds gun show with another individual, Haley Adkison, where officers observed the two looking at different handguns. Law enforcement pulled over Flores after he left the gun show and found him in possession of ammunition. At sentencing, Flores faces up to ten years in federal prison.
- HALEY LEEANNE ADKISON, 24, of Oklahoma City, pleaded guilty on August 18, 2022, to making a false statement during a firearms transaction. According to public record, Adkison was observed completing paperwork regarding the purchase of firearms at an Oklahoma City Fairgrounds gun show, after looking at different firearms with Heriberto Flores. Adkison was scheduled to take possession of six firearms at the vendor’s store in Tulsa, Oklahoma. At sentencing, Adkison faces up to ten years in federal prison.
- JOSHUA DAVID MOSELEY, 31, of Harrah, Oklahoma, pleaded guilty on September 6, 2022, to making a false statement during the purchase of a firearm. According to public record, Moseley attempted to purchase a firearm from Super Pawn #2 Inc., in Oklahoma City. Moseley checked “no” for having been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence. Public records show that, on January 6, 2022, Mosely was convicted of misdemeanor domestic assault and battery in Oklahoma County District Court case CM-2021-1377. At sentencing, Moseley faces up to 10 years in federal prison.
- BRIONJRE MARTAI ODELL HAMILTON, 22, of Oklahoma City, pleaded guilty on October 10, 2022, to making false statements during attempted purchases of firearms. According to public record, on May 25, 2022, Hamilton was convicted of carrying a firearm under the influence of drugs (marijuana) in Oklahoma County District Court case CM-2021-3533. Thereafter, records reflect Hamilton lied on the ATF Form 4473 regarding his eligibility to purchase firearms and attempted to purchase firearms on four separate occasions, after the ATF informed Hamilton that he was a prohibited from doing so. At sentencing, Hamilton faces up to 10 years in federal prison on all four counts.
- NEMORY ZAHID RAMOS CASTRO, 22, of Oklahoma City, pleaded guilty on January 5, 2023, for making a false statement during the purchase of a firearm. According to public record, Ramos made false written statements in connection with the purchases of two assault-style firearms, one in Oklahoma City and one in Luther, Oklahoma. In one instance, Ramos submitted the ATF Form 4473 stating he was not acquiring the assault-style firearm for another person, but a few hours after the transfer law enforcement found another individual in possession of it during a traffic stop. At sentencing, Castro faces up to ten years in federal prison on both counts.
This case is part of Project Safe Neighborhoods, the Department of Justice’s signature nationwide initiative that brings together federal, state, local, and tribal law enforcement officials and prosecutors to address violent crime, reduce gun violence, and enforce federal firearms laws.
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No. Only if we did other dumb shit to bring heat.
You posted cases with felons, people making straw purchases for felons, people running under the table sales to felons, people beating their domestic partners, etc. I'm betting the weed guy was up to some shit too, but I am too lazy to search for his record, medicinal weed is legal in OK, they are not running around looking for weed smokers lol.
FPS Russia was up to some wild shit and brought heat on himself. His business partner was found killed, dude was buying hash through the mail (how dumb can you be lol).
They are not going around to rehabs looking for people who own guns.
Hunter was stupid because his father is famous. Anyone can be an addict, but c'mon people are going to find out if the VP and then POTUS' son is a crack head.
Bottom line... Trump appointed judge couldn't be happy until she persecuted one of the Bidens. Magats going after political opponents, making up charges and falsifying documents. Hunter was never going to get a fair trial with that corrupt judge and biased jury.
Hunter is a bag of shit, like worse than Greed, only Greed is a nobody to boot.
But I really don't know what was gained in this prosecution other than an attempt to expose Joetato's shady business dealings brokered through Hunter.
But I really don't know what was gained in this prosecution other than an attempt to expose Joetato's shady business dealings brokered through Hunter.
The guidelines for this conviction will likely be very low - I'm guessing either 10-16 months or 15-21 months. It's important which one, because the 10-16 is a probatable sentence under the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines, but the 15-21 range is not. That doesn't mean the Court can't probate him, it just means it's not within a recommended probatable range under the applicable Guidelines. That said, I don't think Hunter Biden has any significant criminal history, which will help. This could, and should, be a sentence of probation. However, he will almost certainly be drug tested regularly by the U.S. Probation Office as a condition of his probation. If he pisses dirty - he is a crack head, after all - that could result in a probation violation and possible jail (not prison) time in the future.
As for the impact of a pardon, Hunter is now a convicted felon. He is unable to vote, serve on a jury, or possess a firearm. An unconditional pardon could do away with the conviction and act to restore these rights.
As for the impact of a pardon, Hunter is now a convicted felon. He is unable to vote, serve on a jury, or possess a firearm. An unconditional pardon could do away with the conviction and act to restore these rights.
So you're asking, is it really worth it? I submit that your question is highly subjective. Some people wouldn't give a crap abourt a felony on their record while I have seen other felons break down in tears when their felony was pardoned... even after they had served jail time.
He also got lucky because the secret service covered for his ass. Then, he tossed the gun in a school zone which would have been a state charge.
I said we would do time and I believe we would do some time . Not a lot but some.
The real news from this trial is the federal government admitted that Hunter’s laptop is true, not Russian disinformation, and that they know it’s been true for years.
This squarely obliterates the “51 liar letter” and every claim by Pedo about the laptop.
This squarely obliterates the “51 liar letter” and every claim by Pedo about the laptop.
Exactly, the cover ups, the election manipulation, the BS with Covid is well.. the things of a dictatorial state and govt.
You have no idea what was/wasn’t planted on that laptop.
You only ever post on here to converse with me. So that others don’t have to read your stalking, would you rather just have my email so you can converse that way?
Geez. Really? That’s what you’re going with? Bike crash must have been worse than I thought.
Pedo-Joe wore a helmet when he fell off his bike, at a complete stop. Remembering to pur your feet down, when coming to a complete stop, on a bicycle is important.
We wouldn't be prosecuted for this crime alone. That's the point. I don't care either way for Hunter. Dude was dumb. But I promise you the government isn't coming after us if we hit a joint at a concert, so to speak.
How many simple drug users do you think are prosecuted for this each year?
Not people doing other shit. Not people selling to felons, straw purchases, getting involved in violence, etc.
I've posted before that these are usually charges tacked on as leverage for a plea. This means doing other shit. This is not disputable, there have been DOZENS of articles written on this since the Hunter Biden charges hit. But you are going to believe what you want to believe.
I'm not going to act like a Trumper and say the prosecution was political. Dude cheated on his taxes for millions, he brought heat on himself, even if he wasn't Joe Biden's son. Tough shit.
