Committee BS strikes again...

[andy4theherd]

good article by Jerry Palm about the complete BS committee logic with SoS. Baylor and Houston both have SoS's ranked in the 100's. both are #1 and #2 in the nation for average margin of victory. Baylor's opponents have a combined record of 1-15. their marquee win is over Texas Tech. Houston's best win is over Louisville. yet Baylor is ranked 6th and Houston is 25th....

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...gs-clemson-lsu-ohio-state-alabama-open-at-1-4

 

[Herdon2]

The committee is a joke.

 

[dshoe123]

Clearly, SOS only has meaning to this group as it relates to G5. I guess the "eye" test is all that is necessary for a P5 school.

 

[dshoe123]

The committee is a joke.

They are not a joke!! What they are is a nightmare for equity in College Football. This is a Cabal set up by the P5's to perpetuate their position. It won't end here either.

 

[Marine03]

Dshoe is 100% correct. This whole process is a joke. We would be better off with just a computer formula across the board

 

[The Real SamC]

The "committee" is just a game show. Nothing announced yesterday has any relevance to anything. The only thing that matters is what has always mattered:

Win all your games.

IF LSU, Clemson, whoever wins the Big 12, and whoever wins the Big 10 can do their job, then there is no argument. If they cannot, they need to buy a mirror and see the LOSERS that LOST and that is why they are not where they want to be. Really that simple.

The problem is how it goes down from there. These automatic slots need to end.

 

[herdit44]

good article by Jerry Palm about the complete BS committee logic with SoS. Baylor and Houston both have SoS's ranked in the 100's. both are #1 and #2 in the nation for average margin of victory. Baylor's opponents have a combined record of 1-15. their marquee win is over Texas Tech. Houston's best win is over Louisville. yet Baylor is ranked 6th and Houston is 25th....

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...gs-clemson-lsu-ohio-state-alabama-open-at-1-4

not taking baylor's side, but they really haven't had a close game. meanwhile, houston beat a mediocre louisville by only 3, beat a bad/mediocre tulsa by only 14, etc.

 

[andy4theherd]

not taking baylor's side, but they really haven't had a close game. meanwhile, houston beat a mediocre louisville by only 3, beat a bad/mediocre tulsa by only 14, etc.

as i said, #1 and #2 in avg margin of victory..... last year we were crucified for not playing a P5 school. Houston has 2 wins over the P5. i hate Houston and hope the get screwed hard. i'm just pointing out the complete hypocrisy of these guys...

 

[ToesMU]

The CFB powers that be would like nothing more than for the G5 to just get so fed up they just split off & play amongst themselves during regular season, and only surface as late season midweek filler for ESPN and bowl season opponents.

 

[herdit44]

as i said, #1 and #2 in avg margin of victory..... last year we were crucified for not playing a P5 school. Houston has 2 wins over the P5. i hate Houston and hope the get screwed hard. i'm just pointing out the complete hypocrisy of these guys...

oh the committee is sh!t, there's no doubt about that. i just think there's a difference between baylor and houston. i'd say baylor is ranked about right, houston should probably be high teens though based on their resume to this point.

 

[TwolfHerdfan]

If anyone ever thought the G5 schools would get a fair shake in this process, well..........................

One G5 school gets a bone and they feel that's enough, some feel its too much obviously. Another dagger in the heart of college football.

 

[andy4theherd]

there is still no logical reason why the BCS ranking was discarded for a committee. the problem before was not having a playoff. after 15 years of "tweaking" the ranking system wasn't that bad and was MUCH better than the opinion of some assholes with a huge agenda...

 

[Herd Fever]

Houston hasn't beat a single team with a winning record this year, not one. They shouldn't even be ranked and look for Houston to lose 3 out of their last 4 games. All the committee did was guarantee the Access Spot goes to an AAC school

 

[BleedsGreen33]

They are not a joke!! What they are is a nightmare for equity in College Football. This is a Cabal set up by the P5's to perpetuate their position. It won't end here either.

It always has been. Go look at every national championship ever awarded in FBS college football and look at the trams getting them. It's the same grouo over and over again.

There is a playoff at wver level from NAIA to the NFL yet the FBS P5 commissioners and presidents along with networks have everyone convinced that this is thr most fair and balanced way of deciding a "true" champion. Nope it portexts the interest of about teams.

See everyone laughs at us, the G5, iver thinking we belong. They think we should just go away. See the real joke is on 80% or more of the P5 that actually believe they have a seat at the table. That they actually have a chance.

Why can't we have a true 16 team playoff where all conference champs get a seed along with 6 at-large. Oh that's right players ill miss too much school and more games mean more injuries. Wait? What? So thr NCAA only really cares about FBS because the other four levels of college football have a playoff. Why do they not matter the same?

FBS college football is a complete sham.

It's all about money and that's it. It's shy we keep adding more and more meaningless bowl games. Giving postseason play as a reward to trams that lost as many games as they won. Teams that finished in the bottom half of their conference.

Oh and look at the playoff committee and who is one it. Any G5 reps? Anyone like a Phil Steele who actually breaks down every game? No it's P5 conference presidents, ADs, Alum, and former coaches. All there to ensure there are no party crashers.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

 

[andy4theherd]

Houston hasn't beat a single team with a winning record this year, not one. They shouldn't even be ranked and look for Houston to lose 3 out of their last 4 games. All the committee did was guarantee the Access Spot goes to an AAC school

Baylor's opponents: 1-7, 4-4 (FCS), 4-4, 5-4, 0-8, 3-4, 3-5


again, i'm not supporting Houston...

 

[herdit44]

Baylor's opponents: 1-7, 4-4 (FCS), 4-4, 5-4, 0-8, 3-4, 3-5


again, i'm not supporting Houston...

so you're cougarking! i know that guy couldn't be real, had to be a troll...

 

[Herd Fever]

It always has been. Go look at every national championship ever awarded in FBS college football and look at the trams getting them. It's the same grouo over and over again.

There is a playoff at wver level from NAIA to the NFL yet the FBS P5 commissioners and presidents along with networks have everyone convinced that this is thr most fair and balanced way of deciding a "true" champion. Nope it portexts the interest of about teams.

See everyone laughs at us, the G5, iver thinking we belong. They think we should just go away. See the real joke is on 80% or more of the P5 that actually believe they have a seat at the table. That they actually have a chance.

Why can't we have a true 16 team playoff where all conference champs get a seed along with 6 at-large. Oh that's right players ill miss too much school and more games mean more injuries. Wait? What? So thr NCAA only really cares about FBS because the other four levels of college football have a playoff. Why do they not matter the same?

FBS college football is a complete sham.

It's all about money and that's it. It's shy we keep adding more and more meaningless bowl games. Giving postseason play as a reward to trams that lost as many games as they won. Teams that finished in the bottom half of their conference.

Oh and look at the playoff committee and who is one it. Any G5 reps? Anyone like a Phil Steele who actually breaks down every game? No it's P5 conference presidents, ADs, Alum, and former coaches. All there to ensure there are no party crashers.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

1A football needs a playoff. If Memphis can beat a team that dog whooped Alabama and this year proved the upper half of the G5 can compete with the P5. We need to go away from this biased committee BS and just have a 32 Team playoff. Conference champs automatically make the playoff and the remaining teams are picked based of Computer rankings.

 

[Herd Fever]

Baylor's opponents: 1-7, 4-4 (FCS), 4-4, 5-4, 0-8, 3-4, 3-5


again, i'm not supporting Houston...

Baylor also plays in the Big XII and have blown out everyone this year.

 

[andy4theherd]

Baylor also plays in the Big XII and have blown out everyone this year.

and you are falling right in line with the, "Baylor also plays in the Big XII".

Baylor's SoS is 104

but since they play in the Big 12 that doesn't matter...

if the "committee" was legitimate and ranked the Top 25 teams on a weekly basis from a clean slate using the criteria they preached last year (SoS being most important) then Baylor should not be ranked in the top 10. they have nearly identical metrics as Houston. Baylor is #1 is avg margin of victory, Houston is #2. Baylor has beaten 4 P5 teams with a combined record of 11-21. there should not be such a gap in the rankings of the two. Baylor will get a huge bump with the rest of their games. if they win out they most certainly should be ranked in the top 5. but this week based on what they have done so far the committee can not say one thing to the G5 guys ("you don't play enough hard teams") and rank them so high.

 

[CockyHerd]

1A football needs a playoff. If Memphis can beat a team that dog whooped Alabama and this year proved the upper half of the G5 can compete with the P5. We need to go away from this biased committee BS and just have a 32 Team playoff. Conference champs automatically make the playoff and the remaining teams are picked based of Computer rankings.

32 !!! Are you insane??? 5 extra games spread over 5-6 weeks........If you're going to participate in the conversation at least offer rational options.

8 team is the best we could ever hope for and that's probably 7-10 years away.

Definitely need some media members on the committee........

 

[IslandHerd1]

32 !!! Are you insane??? 5 extra games spread over 5-6 weeks........If you're going to participate in the conversation at least offer rational options.

8 team is the best we could ever hope for and that's probably 7-10 years away.

Definitely need some media members on the committee........

16 teams or bust.

 

[CockyHerd]

16 teams or bust.

We experienced it in I-AA and we loved it......But it'll never happen.

8 is the best we can ever hope for.........

 

[imherdfan]

there is still no logical reason why the BCS ranking was discarded for a committee. the problem before was not having a playoff. after 15 years of "tweaking" the ranking system wasn't that bad and was MUCH better than the opinion of some assholes with a huge agenda...

Its very simple, the committee was put in place to insure the computer "mistakes" could be overcome and "properly" adjusted for the elite of the college football world.

 

[jocktalker]

You guys seem to forget that the G5 Commissioners and Athletic Directors gave the P5 autonomy. The big boys can pretty much do what they want and your complaints going to fall on deaf ears. The whole CFP weekly selection process was designed to get people talking about college football and it has.

While it's fun to nitpick at the selection committee's choices and rationale, the simple truth is that this is the system we have and rants and raves on a message board my be good for the soul but will matter little to change the direction of the CFP committee.

 

[30Kelly]

there is still no logical reason why the BCS ranking was discarded for a committee. the problem before was not having a playoff. after 15 years of "tweaking" the ranking system wasn't that bad and was MUCH better than the opinion of some assholes with a huge agenda...

Exactly, the BCS had finally been tweaked to the point there was little controversy over ranking. Now we have human bias again and it is in very few hands of people to decide.

There should be weighted criteria and points given or something similar to establish objectivity. For example, AP and Coaches polls should be taken into consideration, along with the BCS calculations then additional factors, such as SOS.

 

[Herd Fever]

32 !!! Are you insane??? 5 extra games spread over 5-6 weeks........If you're going to participate in the conversation at least offer rational options.

8 team is the best we could ever hope for and that's probably 7-10 years away.

Definitely need some media members on the committee........

Yes 32 teams

The 11 conference champions and the rest as At large schools. To me there is no difference between the 15th ranked school and the 30th ranked school

 

[Marine03]

I agree with fever on this one. 11 conference champs and 5 at large. Been saying this for years now.

 

[Herd Fever]

This is this Marine

Ol Miss smacked Alabama at Alabama then got smacked by Memphis. Could Memphis beat Alabama?? I don't know but a deep playoff would crown a true champion

 

[IslandHerd1]

Every conference champ should have the chance to win the National title. If that was possible, athletes would spread out to the sunbelt and Mac and cusa, parody amongst the whole landscape of teams would develop and the monopoly on the sport for the blue bloods would be over.

 

[Herd Fever]

Ehhh Players aren't going to be choosing between Alabama and Marshall

 

[GreenDuke]

We experienced it in I-AA and we loved it......But it'll never happen.

8 is the best we can ever hope for.........

Fans loved it, the players and coaches not so much. I talked to many MU players during the playoff years and almost all said they were worn out and sick of practice and wanted time off to rest and recoup.

 

[The Real SamC]

there is still no logical reason why the BCS ranking was discarded for a committee.

Of course there is a logical reason. Just not a logical and fair one.

It is the difference between an objective test and a subjective test. Assume the professor hates your f***ing guts. But it is math class. He can hate you all you want, but if you get 100 out of 100, its an A.

But English class? Vague conclusory statements about "length" and "focus on the concept" and "paragraph structure" and you fail.

And that is the difference between computer rankings and a "committee" of 12 people. The difference between objectivity and subjectivity.

And in this case, all you have to do is follow the money. Who owns this "championship" 100% ?

ESPN.

And, in the access bowl, in the four who are "in" and in who plays in each of the other bowls, who will get EXACTLY what it wants?

ESPN.

And since this "committee" will just pontificate from on high with no objective findings, there is nothing you can do. Any arguments that use logic and reason will be met with "body of work" and "quality wins" and other meaningless subjective non-logic.

 

[SHAMMOND16]

We experienced it in I-AA and we loved it......But it'll never happen.

8 is the best we can ever hope for.........

Haha yep.

You guys talk like the people making decisions actually give a shit about who the best team is. The people making decisions want their powerhouse programs in there every year. If it goes to 8, you make the powerhouses play more games...which make them more susceptible to losing. You also create more of a chance for a TCU, Boise, Utah, Memphis, NIU, Marshall, etc to get in...which means there's not a chance in hell they'd go for it.

The people running football don't want a March Madness. They want no part of a Gonzaga, Wichita St, Butler, George Mason, VCU, etc raining on their parade. It's their dance and they decide who gets invited. We don't belong. Might as well accept it.

 

[RhinoD]

The best we will ever see s 8 teams with 7 coming from the P5 conferences and one being a G5/Independent team... And even then... Good luck beating a 1, 4 and 2 seed in three consecutive weeks.

Does anyone really think Houston, Toledo, US, etc. would have a snowballs chance in hell if they had to play Clemson, Alabama and TCU in three consecutive games? Of course not.

In 2021 the field will expand to 8 teams and the divide will "appear" to close between the P5 and the G5 with the G5 finally getting a team in the picture... When in actuality,the divide will only expand.

 

[andy4theherd]

as a football fan i want at minimum 8 teams even if a G5 isn't one...

 

[dshoe123]

Of course there is a logical reason. Just not a logical and fair one.

It is the difference between an objective test and a subjective test. Assume the professor hates your f***ing guts. But it is math class. He can hate you all you want, but if you get 100 out of 100, its an A.

But English class? Vague conclusory statements about "length" and "focus on the concept" and "paragraph structure" and you fail.

And that is the difference between computer rankings and a "committee" of 12 people. The difference between objectivity and subjectivity.

And in this case, all you have to do is follow the money. Who owns this "championship" 100% ?

ESPN.

And, in the access bowl, in the four who are "in" and in who plays in each of the other bowls, who will get EXACTLY what it wants?

ESPN.

And since this "committee" will just pontificate from on high with no objective findings, there is nothing you can do. Any arguments that use logic and reason will be met with "body of work" and "quality wins" and other meaningless subjective non-logic.

Sam,
You have lost your mind!!! So how is it that you rationalize that ESPN is the root of all evil and "controls" all of this when it's exactly the same teams getting the exact same breaks as when FOX owned the BCS Championship 100%

 

[GK4Herd]

It's all about money and that's it.

Yep...it's about the money. But it's even more than that. A sixteen team playoff would certainly make more money than the present system. There's more games to be played. But it's more about who gets access to that money. Bringing in all of the conference champs (the only fair thing to do) would automatically mean that the pot would be shared with everyone. If you're one of the elites, you don't want that. The present system eliminates the additional mouths to feed.

But even more important, a playoff would elevate the perception that all the teams were on the same level. THAT'S where the real concern is with the powers that be in my opinion. Recruits will begin to look at the so called G5 differently if a coach can say...hey, we are favored to win our conference and we'll be playing for all the marbles. As it is now, the so called G5 has been subjugated without the need to even prove it on the field.

 

[beefcake0520]

You guys seem to forget that the G5 Commissioners and Athletic Directors gave the P5 autonomy. The big boys can pretty much do what they want and your complaints going to fall on deaf ears. The whole CFP weekly selection process was designed to get people talking about college football and it has.

While it's fun to nitpick at the selection committee's choices and rationale, the simple truth is that this is the system we have and rants and raves on a message board my be good for the soul but will matter little to change the direction of the CFP committee.

What did you expect them to do? If the G5 fights the P5, a split with happen and neither side really wants that.

 

[dshoe123]

What did you expect them to do? If the G5 fights the P5, a split with happen and neither side really wants that.

G5 schools would have fared better had their actually been a split. But no one was willing to take risks!!!

 

[The Real SamC]

Sam,
So how is it that you rationalize that ESPN is the root of all evil and "controls" all of this when it's exactly the same teams getting the exact same breaks as when FOX owned the BCS Championship 100%

The BcS had many flaws, chief among them that one mid-major conference (the Leastleftovers nka THE AMERICAN!!!!!!!! ) got an auto bid along with the five true major conferences. Yes. And off-topic to this thread.

Under the BcS an OBJECTIVE mathematical formula assigned the teams. Under this farce, a SUBJECTIVE committee comes out, and pontificates who is "in", with no reference to any criteria more than a few platitudes and meaningless subjective phrases like "body of work".

And? Well last year, the ESPN committee pontifcated that the conference that was out from among the P5 was? The one that ESPN only had a joint deal with Fox. And relative to the access bowl? The only team with which ESPN has a seperate from its conference relationship was in (and would have been in, regardless of the result of the WKU game) Boise State.

And this year. well for week one, LSU and Alabama get higher numbers than in the real polls, which can be touted in the ads for their game, surprise, this week. More to come, but whatever the result, the most pro-ESPN result that they can get away with will be the one pontificated, with no one available to explain what the actual criteria is. Because there is no criteria. MU could go 13-0 and be told "strength of schedule". MU could play Alabama and LSU and be told "two losses". We cannot win, because we are not an ESPN team.